Intra workout nutrition

[Xlgx]

That's just your opinion. I would like to hear about what specifically you are referring to rather than generalization.

He's one of the most knowledgeable in the field who practices what he preaches and is unbiased. Doesn't sell any supplements etc.

No, it is not opinion. It is fact. I will post the bits that I see as time permits.

It's funny you claim he is unbiased when upon only a cursory glance at his website he is advertising 3 programs at $149-$249.

I too can unlock the "secret" of intraworkout nutrition for anyone willing to pay me that.[/QUOTE]

Similar to other prep coaches. He offers his training and nutrition advice. At a price. Nothing new there. Most of it can be found cursory for free on the net.

If you aren't a fan that's cool.

 

[Docd187123]

That's just your opinion. I would like to hear about what specifically you are referring to rather than generalization.

He's one of the most knowledgeable in the field who practices what he preaches and is unbiased. Doesn't sell any supplements etc.

Let's see, for starters he references this study to support his idea that posts odious nutrition is of viable importance.

Effects of high-calorie supplements on body composition and muscular strength following resistance training. - PubMed - NCBI

Within 30 seconds of reading just the abstract, you should be able to understand why that's a crock of shit.

The study group that gained the most muscle was the group who had the post workout meal yes, but you'll notice how they also had an extra ~2000cals more than the control group. That doesn't prove that post workout nutrition is important. It only proves that if you increase protein and carb intake above a most likely deficient or just sufficient level, you'll gain fat free mass. You'll also see they didn't say muscle mass specifically. Well, when you add a ton of extra carbs into your diet of course fat free mass goes up. Glycogen gets maxed out, water retention increases, etc. none of which proves post workout nutrition specifically made those changes.

 

[Docd187123]

Similar to other prep coaches. He offers his training and nutrition advice. At a price. Nothing new there. Most of it can be found cursory for free on the net.

If you aren't a fan that's cool.

I'm not a fan but it has nothing to do with him selling services like any other coach out there. The man is entitled to try and make a living after all. I only bring it up bc you say he's unbiased bc he doesn't sell supplements. There are other biases out there that don't involve supplements is the point I'm making.

 

[Xlgx]

You're right. He's a complete quack. Fully discredited. Lol.

 

[Docd187123]

Let's go to another study:

He uses this study to further support the need for greater demand for post workout nutrition context be damned.

Protein requirements and muscle mass/strength changes during intensive training in novice bodybuilders. - PubMed - NCBI

This study relies on nitrogen balance which is notoriously inaccurate as a proxy for muscle mass gain or loss as I've already explained in many previous posts. They determine a greater need for protein post workout bc nitrogen balance goes negative but if you've followed the research on nitrogen balance you'll see examples of negative nitrogen balance with study participants actually gaining muscle. You'll also see participants losing muscle in positive nitrogen balance. Bottom line, N-balance is a bad proxy measure for skeletal muscle tissue changes.

Then you'll notice at the bottom of the abstract that they say protein needs were 100% greater after training but they follow up with saying that after doubling the protein intake, no changes in muscle mass or strength was noticed. Here is an example of him willfully ignoring the data to suit his narrative.

 

[Xlgx]

He sites most if not all his sources and references in his research
Obviously not everyone will agree with all of it.

From the people that he has worked with and my experience, his methods work. I don't view any of it as ground breaking it's more common sense if anything, at least from my experience.

 

[Docd187123]

Let's go on to the next study; mind you, I'm simply picking at random at this point, so it's pretty funny how there's large gaps in the data being ignored or missed that each one I pick, you can find tremendous fault in. No wonder his PhD is in exercise physiology and not nutrition or a related field.

He uses this study to again compound in the importance of post workout meals, saying that delaying a post workout meal by two hours can slow the rate of glycogen rest thesis.

Glycogen resynthesis after exercise: effect of carbohydrate intake. - PubMed - NCBI

First off, why do you care if you slow down glycogen resynthesis a little bit? Are you going to be working out the same exact muscle in a few hours??? If not then it doesn't matter bc by the time you train them again, glycogen will be restored fully.

Secondly, he says the people who wait to eat a post workout meal more than two hours missed out on the muscle growth that came to those who didn't wait. That's pretty comical when it's an acute study and MULTIPLE studies over the long term show no differences between groups.

Thirdly, and most importantly, he is either willfully inept or woefully ignorant to the fact that this study was done on OVERNIGHT FASTED PARTICIPANTS. Do you really need me to point out the significance of this overnight or can you grasp it on your own?

 

[Docd187123]

You're right. He's a complete quack. Fully discredited. Lol.

Well to be fair, I'm just beginning. There's a lot more to come but don't be mad at me for exposing your idol as the broscience professor that he is. Its not my fault his ideas can be ripped to shreds by a layman with basic understanding lol

 

[Xlgx]

Like I stated before. He's a quack at best. You have in single bout of 5 minutes refuted and discredited all his work on intra wo nutrition. Imagine what you would do with all his other research articles.

I would love to read some of your published research. Perhaps we can all learn something from you ...

 

[Docd187123]

Like I stated before. He's a quack at best. You have in single bout of 5 minutes refuted and discredited all his work on intra wo nutrition. Imagine what you would do with all his other research articles.

It was actually multiple bouts of about 5minutes but thanks for the vote of confidence.

If all his other articles have holes in their arguments like this one did then even masteron might be able to discredit them.

I would love to read some of your published research. Perhaps we can all learn something from you ...

Well, you can begin your journey in this thread and then expand it into the nutrition subforum time permitting.

Then when your horizons begin to expand further, you can attempt to self educate yourself and read the research on your own and you too can understand why his 4 page pdf document with 79 references is a POS article.

Here's a pro tip: it could be because 79 references to scientific journals might seem credible to you in your current state of understanding, but when you get educated more and actually look into those 79 references you might find that most, if not all, do not support the argument.

Good luck on your journey.

 

[Xlgx]

Thx doc. If you are in fact a real doctor or ambiguous forum entity.
We can easily learn about Stevenson. We know nothing about you. You try to refute someone who put in a lifetime of work into his research and physique as well as trial and error. Yet you bring very little to the table if anything at all. Your talking down may work on the teens as well as the 20-30 crowd on here. It doesn't work on me. For all we know you could be the infamous keyboard warrior known as Jason blaha the fake merc lol

I am enjoying the ride.

For those interested Stevenson worked with some of the more respected names in the industry that he has mentored. Including ifbb pro David Henry, John meadows . And guys such as Jordan peters and dave smith to name a few.

 

[Dw725]

For every successful athlete that worries about intra workout nutrition, there's probably two that don't.

I know some guys that are successful in body building, as well as some in powerlifting. None "regularly" use intra workout snacks, meals, supps, etc.

Any difference it might make, is probably negligible at best.

 

[Docd187123]

Thx doc. If you are in fact a real doctor or ambiguous forum entity.
We can easily learn about Stevenson. We know nothing about you.

And therein lies your fist mistake. Appealing to authority lol

you try to refute someone who put in a lifetime of work into his research and physique as well as trial and error.

Are you upset it took very little effort to refute his "facts" or is it the fact that a menial amount of effort is required by anyone with a desire to do so the problem?

Lustig too, for example, spent a lifetime into his "research". Unfortunately time spent doesn't mean he's not an idiot either.

Yet you bring very little to the table if anything at all. Your talking down may work on the teens as well as the 20-30 crowd on here. It doesn't work on me.

So in a roundabout way, you are admitting the teens and 20-30 crowd here can see facts yet you can't? That speaks more about you than it does about me....

For all we know you could be the infamous keyboard warrior known as Jason blaha the fake merc lol

I could be him. I could be the Cookie Monster. Heck, I could even be Ronnie Coleman.... Fortunately for the sake of science, it doesn't matter who you are but how you present and back your argument and your little doctor does a very poor job at it.

I am enjoying the ride.

Glad to hear it. You might learn something worthwhile in the process.

For those interested Stevenson worked with some of the more respected names in the industry that he has mentored. Including ifbb pro David Henry, John meadows . And guys such as Jordan peters and dave smith to name a few.

Hopefully that's a small minority but I've never been foolish enough to believe everyone can be "saved".

 

[Xlgx]

Doc you are a comedian at heart.

It's easy to wave your magic wand and try to discredit someone else's work when you have nothing worthwhile to produce.

Anyone else whose interested could read up on the real doctors work.

 

[hurricane]

Do you guys use intra workout carbs? If so,do you use it while cutting as well? I been using 50g dextrose with aminos during my workout. I do feel like my recovery is better, but if cutting is it unwise ? I'm thinking total calories a day is what matters.

I sometimes sip on a protein shake throughout my workout. If it makes you feel better stick with it bro.

 

[Demondosage]

Do you guys use intra workout carbs? If so,do you use it while cutting as well? I been using 50g dextrose with aminos during my workout. I do feel like my recovery is better, but if cutting is it unwise ? I'm thinking total calories a day is what matters.

It's all about calories in versus out. I used to want to believe in that, I wanted to think if it was something I was doing it made sense, but all it did was make work for my body to do on top of training. Who wants to try and digest shit when they're lifting?? Not me, I get better workouts from eating properly at other times and just letting the workout be the workout. Just my take on it now.

 

[ErikR]

I sometimes sip on a protein shake throughout my workout. If it makes you feel better stick with it bro.

I know it makes sense that your pre workout meal will still be digested during training , but i have done it both ways, and honestly I have less DOMS if I have a intra drink. Especially with high volume.

 

[hurricane]

I know it makes sense that your pre workout meal will still be digested during training , but i have done it both ways, and honestly I have less DOMS if I have a intra drink. Especially with high volume.

Were all different bud. If it works for you and you feel that you get better workouts keep doing your thing. You know your body better then us.

 

[Docd187123]

Doc you are a comedian at heart.

I do my best brother!

It's easy to wave your magic wand and try to discredit someone else's work when you have nothing worthwhile to produce.

That's actually my peepee, not my wand but back to the point...

It literally took minutes of effort to discredit several major studies he has used to reference his argument in favor of intraworkout nutrition. Minutes. Not hours. Now, if a comedian such as myself could do it in minutes, I'm guessing it would only take seconds for ppl smarter than myself.

The larger, take home point is this: you should have seen these glaring inconsistencies immediately yourself. If you have not, then you either are too inept to read and critique the research he referenced or simply too lazy to actually do it and blindly follow whomever promises you the most riches. Which is it? Furthermore, you wish to attack my character on the forum here bc I disagree with your idol. I point out the inconsistencies and false narratives he is pushing. I've yet to see you actually make any reference to discredit the critiques I've posted which actually speaks a lot about you. Basically, you have zero knowledge of this topic for yourself, you cannot read and digest the scientific literature yourself, and you mirro whichever wannabe guru who looks good at the time, in this case, Stevenson. Congratulations!!! Not only have you not produced anything to the forum in this regard but you can't even direct someone in the right direction to get accurate information. You're like a parishioner at the Joel Osteen church hahahaha.

Anyone else whose interested could read up on the real doctors work.

Blah blah blah blah. What you're saying is " I cannot stand up for my own beliefs nor am I capable of talking about the science so just go to this guy to explain it for you".

 

[Xlgx]

Again my spin doctor friend. Your ignorance is only super ceded by your arrogance.
He is is not my idol. He is one of the most respected individuals in the industry.

You didn't even take the time to actually read the references he quoted. You merely said you don't agree with them. Guess what. Opinions are like ass holes. If you don't subscribe to his views I am not trying to convince you or anyone else to either. You are trying hard to minimize someone's hard work when you yourself have produced zilch.

Again. I mentioned his work because I am a fan of both his training and nutrition advice. Do I follow all of it, hell no. But most of it makes sense to me and I am sure many others as well.
Get back to being the arm chair quarterback.