INSTANT OATS , bad Carbs ?

[matz]

Hey guys ,
like most people , i'm not a big fan of oatmeal and rather use vanilla instant oats (from myprotein) which is used by many bodybuilder in France (idk about US but probably) . Today i was wondering if it really was as healthy as real oats since it taste so much better , so from what i have been looking up , the IG of Instant oat is around 80 against 40 for oatmeal ! and i have been taking that shit for years... so i wonder why so many people use it ?

 

[Docd187123]

Bc the GI of carbs is irrelevant for bodybuilding purposes.

 

[Sector51]

Steel cut oats I swear by and it's good stuff.

 

[matz]

Bc the GI of carbs is irrelevant for bodybuilding purposes.

From what i have been learning It is the biggest reason why we eat certain type of carbs rather than other . I would bulk up with candy only if it was irrevelant...

 

[Eman]

Bc the GI of carbs is irrelevant for bodybuilding purposes.

What makes you say this?

 

[rugerjitsu]

Bc the GI of carbs is irrelevant for bodybuilding purposes.

Hey doc, probably a dumb question, but I'll ask anyways...how different, if any, is the relevancy of the GI of carbs for bodybuilding purposes than that of overall health/fitness purposes?

 

[Docd187123]

From what i have been learning It is the biggest reason why we eat certain type of carbs rather than other . I would bulk up with candy only if it was irrevelant...

I would suggest rethinking where you get your information from. I don't say that to come off as a dick.

 

[Docd187123]

What makes you say this?

Bc it's true. The GI of carbs has no significant bearing on body composition. Now let me ask you this, how do you think the GI of carbs affects body comp (assuming you do)?

 

[Docd187123]

Hey doc, probably a dumb question, but I'll ask anyways...how different, if any, is the relevancy of the GI of carbs for bodybuilding purposes than that of overall health/fitness purposes?

The only difference is that body building doesn't necessarily have to mean doing things that are best for your health.

If pure aesthetics is your goal you can do it with soda as your only carb source. If you care about your health it would be best to get a wide variety of carb sources, if you eat carbs, so you get a wide variety of micronutrients.

 

[Eman]

Bc it's true. The GI of carbs has no significant bearing on body composition. Now let me ask you this, how do you think the GI of carbs affects body comp (assuming you do)?

There is no right answer to this IMO. Everyone is different with carbs really. I was just curious what your take was.
Diet can be obviously be tricky in bodybuilding... Low GI carbs are helpful for satiety, increased sensitivity to insulin I believe, helpful in preventing energy crashes and carb cravings. On the flip side, high GI carbs have there place too. Getting a wide variety of carbs would be important to me if I wanted to cut. But everyone is different of course and can tolerate different circumstances when dieting.

 

[ErikR]

Fat and protein will slow down the real ease of insulin from carbs. Carbs are all sugar in the end. Complex carbs just have more nutrients.

 

[matz]

I would suggest rethinking where you get your information from. I don't say that to come off as a dick.

I understand thank you to have replied my thread but i honnestly never heard anything like this it is really surprising for me , So if the ig does not matter , it is the same thing to eat candy for breakfast as oatmeal ? Candies is going to give you energy for 10 minute while oatmeal for hours , same during the day , even the carbs are way less likely to be stored as fat when you digest it during hours than in 30 minutes . For energy , or muscle glycogen recomposition , IG matter ! We can't say it is just sugar , there is so many different type of sugar , try to use honey only for your carb source the fructose is just carbs right ?

 

[Docd187123]

There is no right answer to this IMO. Everyone is different with carbs really. I was just curious what your take was.
Diet can be obviously be tricky in bodybuilding... Low GI carbs are helpful for satiety, increased sensitivity to insulin I believe, helpful in preventing energy crashes and carb cravings. On the flip side, high GI carbs have there place too. Getting a wide variety of carbs would be important to me if I wanted to cut. But everyone is different of course and can tolerate different circumstances when dieting.

High GI carbs can actually be great for satiety, as you said it really boils down to the individual.

Working out and cutting increase insulin sensitivity.

Cravings and crashes again are dependent upon the person mainly.

 

[Docd187123]

I understand thank you to have replied my thread but i honnestly never heard anything like this it is really surprising for me , So if the ig does not matter , it is the same thing to eat candy for breakfast as oatmeal ? Candies is going to give you energy for 10 minute while oatmeal for hours , same during the day , even the carbs are way less likely to be stored as fat when you digest it during hours than in 30 minutes . For energy , or muscle glycogen recomposition , IG matter ! We can't say it is just sugar , there is so many different type of sugar , try to use honey only for your carb source the fructose is just carbs right ?

The question I now must ask of you is why do you make an appeal to an extreme? No one is saying to eat only candy or only honey. In the same token, so you eat only oats?

When you eat fiber, protein, or dietary fat along with carbs, it slows the digestion of carbs. Basically it makes high GI carbs like low GI carbs.

If you eat the same amount of carbs in candy and oats they provide the Same amount of energy. 100g of carbs from candy is 400 calories. 100g of carbs from oats is 400calories. Where is the difference in energy? If you take out the fiber and protein from the oats they'll even digest in the same amount of time. The only difference being a higher rise in insulin at first with the candy but then any protein fiber or fat you eat with them will balance it out again.

Carbs are very unlikely to be stored as far. De novo lipogensis is common in rats but not in humans. Studies verify this. Your belief is an outdated bodybuilding myth unfortunately.

And carbs replace may me glycogen. It does not matter where the carbs Cokme from so long as they are carbs.

 

[matz]

The question I now must ask of you is why do you make an appeal to an extreme? No one is saying to eat only candy or only honey. In the same token, so you eat only oats?

When you eat fiber, protein, or dietary fat along with carbs, it slows the digestion of carbs. Basically it makes high GI carbs like low GI carbs.

If you eat the same amount of carbs in candy and oats they provide the Same amount of energy. 100g of carbs from candy is 400 calories. 100g of carbs from oats is 400calories. Where is the difference in energy? If you take out the fiber and protein from the oats they'll even digest in the same amount of time. The only difference being a higher rise in insulin at first with the candy but then any protein fiber or fat you eat with them will balance it out again.

Carbs are very unlikely to be stored as far. De novo lipogensis is common in rats but not in humans. Studies verify this. Your belief is an outdated bodybuilding myth unfortunately.

And carbs replace may me glycogen. It does not matter where the carbs Cokme from so long as they are carbs.

So how can you explain me , as you said that no one could eat only honey or candy , that someone YES could actually use oatmeal as an only source of carbs ?
And what about whenever someone eat carbs only ( like snacking candy) ? there is no fat or protein to reduce the GI . Is it still does'nt matter ?

 

[matz]

The question I now must ask of you is why do you make an appeal to an extreme? No one is saying to eat only candy or only honey. In the same token, so you eat only oats?

When you eat fiber, protein, or dietary fat along with carbs, it slows the digestion of carbs. Basically it makes high GI carbs like low GI carbs.

If you eat the same amount of carbs in candy and oats they provide the Same amount of energy. 100g of carbs from candy is 400 calories. 100g of carbs from oats is 400calories. Where is the difference in energy? If you take out the fiber and protein from the oats they'll even digest in the same amount of time. The only difference being a higher rise in insulin at first with the candy but then any protein fiber or fat you eat with them will balance it out again.

Carbs are very unlikely to be stored as far. De novo lipogensis is common in rats but not in humans. Studies verify this. Your belief is an outdated bodybuilding myth unfortunately.

And carbs replace may me glycogen. It does not matter where the carbs Cokme from so long as they are carbs.

And actually no one really know exactly how slow protein or fat make absorption ... (maybe you have to eat the carbs after the fat , maybe otherwise , maybe it depend on the amount of fat etc...) it seems hazardous to me

 

[Docd187123]

And actually no one really know exactly how slow protein or fat make absorption ... (maybe you have to eat the carbs after the fat , maybe otherwise , maybe it depend on the amount of fat etc...) it seems hazardous to me

again, not to be a dick to you, but it's quite clear you're not well versed on the topic of nutrition. It is known how much fats protein and fiber slow down digestion. If you do not know it it is bc you haven't researched it. I ask again to rethink your sources of dietary information.

 

[Docd187123]

So how can you explain me , as you said that no one could eat only honey or candy , that someone YES could actually use oatmeal as an only source of carbs ?

You missed the point of the logical fallacy of appealing to extremes....

But yes one can eat only candy or oats for carbs but how many people actually do this? Even so, you can eat candy as a carb source and still have a good physique. My friend was eating brownies, ice cream, fast food, and more "junk food" leading up to his show and he won the show and earned his pro card. Body building myth debunked lol.

And what about whenever someone eat carbs only ( like snacking candy) ? there is no fat or protein to reduce the GI . Is it still does'nt matter ?

No it doesn't bc you're missing the biggest piece to the puzzle and that's calories. Comparing isocaloric diets, carb sources are irrelevant to body composition in healthy people. Period. End of story. Show me evidence that says otherwise. By evidence i mean actual objective evidence and studies. Not bullshit bodybuilding broscience.

 

[rigs03]

#iifym

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[matz]

You missed the point of the logical fallacy of appealing to extremes....

But yes one can eat only candy or oats for carbs but how many people actually do this? Even so, you can eat candy as a carb source and still have a good physique. My friend was eating brownies, ice cream, fast food, and more "junk food" leading up to his show and he won the show and earned his pro card. Body building myth debunked lol.



No it doesn't bc you're missing the biggest piece to the puzzle and that's calories. Comparing isocaloric diets, carb sources are irrelevant to body composition in healthy people. Period. End of story. Show me evidence that says otherwise. By evidence i mean actual objective evidence and studies. Not bullshit bodybuilding broscience.

Im an open minded personn and i understand your point , it is just hard for me to change my view so quick without any studies or review from other member , I always thought those IIFYM stuff was only for the ectomorphe type ...