TRT
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I could not agree with you more.
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I dont get your train of thoughts. You imply you need to take it to have an effect.
Its the same with cardarine. The weight loss from it is negligible, it lowers lipid values a bit, and its best effect is for cardio. But you need to take it to have an effect, it will diminish rather quickly once stopped.
Lots of people including myself took cardarine. Its not a miracle so i don't see whats in it that big pharma needed to not let out. I think anyone can agree with this, or if havent tried can try and experience. Very rare that people are astonished by it and maybe high % of those posts are made by dealers/ gear whores.
Theres that argument in the experiment they give too much for too long, and rodent subjects were genetically disposed to have cancer with high chance.
So do you think, youtubers, gymbros, drug pushers know it better than people who's life literally dedicated to it and nobody thought of that?
Or anyone who thinks cardarine was killed by big pharma could let me know what would be the reason behind it.
narta
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Cardarine=statins+glp1s+EPO (yeah exaggerated, but you get the point). It's not a miracle drug for sure, but it was called exercise in a pill for a reason. Plus you can not tweak and twist it indefinitely creating new patents, since the base drug form works so good.
I have been involved in pharma and their tactics. The sole driving force for every decision they make is one: maximizing profit.
P.S. To the wiseass that will spring like a fart out of nowhere: I don't care about your opinion based on hypothesis.
P.S.2. The carcinogenic potential is there, as with all PPARδ agonists, but as always poison is in the dosage.
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iris
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The available info we put here is not to give you paranoia, just to get a few thoughts out there, since you are now taking this.
If you read the conclusion of the article I linked, they do recognise the cancer findings of various published studies but also highlight the ones where PPARδ did not increase cancer cell growth.
Cardarine appears to be a more selective PPARδ agonist in humans than in rodents, so that's another thing to consider when you look at how the animal findings were translated into possible human data in a way that may not be reasonable.
So, have a go and see what it can do for you, if anything.
It's not like you will be taking it non stop for months on end.
But if it ends up creating more anxiety and doubt than anything else, you know what to do.
I was joking my man, if I was anxious I wouldn't take it especially with 10IU of HGH a day
All due respect, I don't believe it would be nearly as popular as many of us would automatically assume. The comparison to glp-1 agonists helps explain my thoughts. The most popular drugs seem to be the one(s) that allow gen pop to take and reap the benefits without additional effort.
I think the endurance boost (which certainly seems significant but not substantial) would not be a selling point among 99% of the public. The fat loss seems modest at best if not coupled with additional exercise. Calorie deficit obviously still being necessary. That leaves only the potential cholesterol benefits, which I'm not sure if it ever reached the documented benefit of statins. All tolled, I don't believe it would ever catch the eye of docs to prescribe, especially with any data pointing to increasing to cancer risk. Just my 2 cents though, which is worth that times 0.
"Cardarine=statins+glp1s+EPO (yeah exaggerated, but you get the point). It's not a miracle drug for sure, but it was called exercise in a pill for a reason."
WTF. Yeah, its that statins+glps+ epo.... thats why people take those, even tho they could just buy cardarine from the fucking internet... never heard anyone saying just take cardarine instead. Its not a new thing, it came in 1990, meaning ~35 years people used it.
"since the base drug form works so good."
Wtf again. For some reason its not too widespread. I guess people believed the lies of big pharma... its a very good drug, yet seldom used. Its a very good drug, yet the people who poured in 10s or maybe 100s of millions of $ rather forfeited it. People on the forum I am sure knows better. And again: if your train of thought is shitty, you risk getting cancer. If my train of thought is shitty-that i dont use it- then I lose some marginal gains that can be achieved with other drugs.
Good thing big pharma is so evil, but in the fucking forums- which are full of covert marketing, shills, drug pushers- people can just save the world with their big brain.
"but it was called exercise in a pill for a reason"
Man, here average people start to take fucking GLPs. One woman and a doctor went to jail because doctor prescribed it for sucking his dick. Thats how desperate people are to get them. Cardarine? lol
GLPS are way more expensive and hassle. Yet people buy that FROM THE INTERNET where they could buy cardarine. They don't. Average joe take glps and will likely lose weight. Cardarine no. And again, cardarine was out 30 years ago, glps are now start to be very widespread. for some reason cardarine never was this popular. Don't say because glps have more profit for black market. Because for long cardarine has exist. Yeah big pharma don't want you to buy it from the internet.... lol
"I have been involved in pharma and their tactics."
Ohh yeah, lets hear the insider view. Every conspiracy theorist nutjob says the same. Were you cleaning the toilets in a drug facility? People usually stop saying shit like this as arguments around age 16.
"P.S. To the wiseass that will spring like a fart out of nowhere: I don't care about your opinion based on hypothesis."
Of course you don't that is what emotional thinking is about. If you see reasonable theories and you can't refute them you get mad.
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Very good points.
What people don't realize is that they don't fucking know whether they are human equivalent of whistar rats with all sort of predispositions for cancer.
X% of people will be that unfortunate. For them it can mean getting cancer at young age versus dying at age 75 in heart before those genes would activate. Or getting cancer 10 years before they would get otherwise. Who knows.
HGH can exaggarate cancer yet doctors still use it in 2024. So it for sure have better risk to reward ratio than cardarine which was halted.
I take hgh but wont take cardarine again. Took 2-3 times and it was underwhelming.
Thats the point, it aint miracle, it does things that can be achieved with other drugs with less risk of cancer.
narta
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"Cardarine=statins+glp1s+EPO (yeah exaggerated, but you get the point). It's not a miracle drug for sure, but it was called exercise in a pill for a reason."
WTF. Yeah, its that statins+glps+ epo.... thats why people take those, even tho they could just buy cardarine from the fucking internet... never heard anyone saying just take cardarine instead. Its not a new thing, it came in 1990, meaning ~35 years people used it.
"since the base drug form works so good."
Wtf again. For some reason its not too widespread. I guess people believed the lies of big pharma... its a very good drug, yet seldom used. Its a very good drug, yet the people who poured in 10s or maybe 100s of millions of $ rather forfeited it. People on the forum I am sure knows better. And again: if your train of thought is shitty, you risk getting cancer. If my train of thought is shitty-that i dont use it- then I lose some marginal gains that can be achieved with other drugs.
Good thing big pharma is so evil, but in the fucking forums- which are full of covert marketing, shills, drug pushers- people can just save the world with their big brain.
"but it was called exercise in a pill for a reason"
Man, here average people start to take fucking GLPs. One woman and a doctor went to jail because doctor prescribed it for sucking his dick. Thats how desperate people are to get them. Cardarine? lol
GLPS are way more expensive and hassle. Yet people buy that FROM THE INTERNET where they could buy cardarine. They don't. Average joe take glps and will likely lose weight. Cardarine no. And again, cardarine was out 30 years ago, glps are now start to be very widespread. for some reason cardarine never was this popular. Don't say because glps have more profit for black market. Because for long cardarine has exist. Yeah big pharma don't want you to buy it from the internet.... lol
"I have been involved in pharma and their tactics."
Ohh yeah, lets hear the insider view. Every conspiracy theorist nutjob says the same. Were you cleaning the toilets in a drug facility? People usually stop saying shit like this as arguments around age 16.
"P.S. To the wiseass that will spring like a fart out of nowhere: I don't care about your opinion based on hypothesis."
Of course you don't that is what emotional thinking is about. If you see reasonable theories and you can't refute them you get mad.
Reading comprehension failure detected.
iris
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Failure of comprehension
Reading comprehension failure detected.
OK, this applies to me too, because I am thick so i had to reread his reply a few times....
Still not sure I got a few of the bits.
This very late monster energy drink I had a while ago is still keeping me too happy.
I have to postpone until tomorrow to try and figure it out.
Its funny how you roast me when the guy had this argument.
"Cardarine=statins+glp1s+EPO (yeah exaggerated, but you get the point)"
So he tried making a point by exaggeration and you try to show me like im a fool. Seemed like you have more brain than that.
Also if something is not clear, you can use chatgpt, its 2024. It also says english in that post is okay.
iris
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Listen, do not get offended.
I did not roast anyone.
What I wrote is the truth.
I am genuinely still so wired on the gallons of caffeine I had today (evening time, too) that it was hard to pay attention and understand everything you wrote.
So I said back to it tomorrow if I can find something to reply back to you.
There may not be.
The failure to comprehend with regards to ME was genuine.
