I need to be able to gain weight

[oldmusclemike]

NO except for the junk food. If he is an extreme ectomorph with a very high metabolic rate I have found that this worked. But I will not argue. I have found it to very unhelpful.

I have done this myself as I have coached successfully others when I owned my gym and trained BB's and a few competitors.

Oh I might add not during your sleeping hours at night / day whenever you try to get your 8hrs +/-
Now I am open to you explaining what I don't know.

 

[Docd187123]

NO except for the junk food. If he is an extreme ectomorph with a very high metabolic rate I have found that this worked. But I will not argue. I have found it to very unhelpful.

I have done this myself as I have coached successfully others when I owned my gym and trained BB's and a few competitors.

Oh I might add not during your sleeping hours at night / day whenever you try to get your 8hrs +/-
Now I am open to you explaining what I don't know.

I assumed you didn't mean while sleeping.

But to expand on what I wrote above, there is pretty good evidence showing that eating with super high frequency, maybe over 6 meals a day, can actually be detrimental to progress.

First, there's evidence showing the more catabolic you go between meals then the more anabolic the next meal becomes due to a super compensatory response by the body. Next, there's research by Layne Norton who is one of the leading protein researchers out there as well as an acid plusher powerlifter and bodybuilder showing there's a refractory response to anabolism from protein with very high frequency meals. His research shows a blunted anabolic response once you start going over 6 meals a day or so. Now his research hasn't been replicated to my knowledge but along with the other evidence that shows no detriment and a possible benefit from less frequent eating as well as it takes less time out of most people's busy days, I see absolutely no reason to eat that frequently. There's definitely no need to. If you enjoy it, fine, go for it. Just know that it can only potentially hurt your progress and not help it.

 

[oldmusclemike]

I cannot even discuss what you have brought to me due to my totally having no understanding have even heard of these studies. Ya know I can only state, and not in argument , what I have seen and done. As also I have been with two pro's, that years ago who professed to do the same. Just saying we were not talking technical every 2 hours but it was in mind set hat that was the frequency to be between training timesHowever their food was professionally prepared and counted and weighed, LOL really. they just ate.

I myself was in Corporate Construction Management, so hence the field and in the office , in a car an on planes all week AND I managed to bring sandwiches have a cheap throw away Styrofoam cooler in the trunk an on n on . So I ate everywhere I went.
A bit extreme but I think for that hardcore Ectomorph that has tried most everything if he trains HARD and eats in the principal of what I have described he will gain weight
. So anyway IMOP it works but maybe for not everyone ?? Oh thanks for the study info. I am going to look into this and find out / learn something. Ahhh, I still haven't said I think your wrong...Yet, and won't..

 

[TorroXL]

I'm heading out of town this weekend, but when I get back Monday I'm going to start eating right again. Seeing Frank's posts recently has me motivated to pack on some muscle. I'll probably shoot for 4000 calories or so, then try to increase it when I do my next run.

I'm44yo, 5'8", 193lbs now. I really want to get to around 215 and be lean. We'll see I guess.

My homeboy @wedorecover
Makes fun of me when we train and says all frank eats is cox n dix. Lol!
But really i do eat everything i can get my greedy mits in. Chese burgers. Pizza. Pop tarts. Chicken. Steak. Buritos.
Bro i consume EVERTHING and train derty. Dont shy away from tasty foods. Just my 2 cents

 

[oldmusclemike]

My homeboy @wedorecover
Makes fun of me when we train and says all frank eats is cox n dix. Lol!
But really i do eat everything i can get my greedy mits in. Chese burgers. Pizza. Pop tarts. Chicken. Steak. Buritos.
Bro i consume EVERTHING and train derty. Dont shy away from tasty foods. Just my 2 cents

Heee heee hee ^^^^^^^^ ah haaa

 

[mjf]

It begins. In my pre and post work out meals today, I've had 828 calories. Logged back into the myfitnesspal acct and starting putting everything in. The eggs in the protein shake were even quite tasty.

 

[mudbutt22]

What works for me is keeping carbs and fats interchangeable. I have a total calorie goal and a total protein goal- that's it. I don't even track carbs and fats (haven't been tracking at all lately tbh). You might want to give it a shot. You won't be so concerned about going over your fat count in one meal.

 

[mjf]

So far, the last 2 days I've been tracking, i go over my fat goal easily and daily. Yesterday I missed my protein goal by 145g. I just suck at eating I guess. I have put in quite a few calories though.

I made my own protein bars last night. They're pretty tasty and 221 calories each. They're pretty balanced on protein and carbs so maybe you wouldn't call it a protein bar since they're normally lower in carbs.

 

[Docd187123]

So far, the last 2 days I've been tracking, i go over my fat goal easily and daily. Yesterday I missed my protein goal by 145g. I just suck at eating I guess. I have put in quite a few calories though.

I made my own protein bars last night. They're pretty tasty and 221 calories each. They're pretty balanced on protein and carbs so maybe you wouldn't call it a protein bar since they're normally lower in carbs.

Missing your protein goal by 145g is a huge miss. Being 20g short is one thing but missing more than half of your daily requirement will significantly impact your progress if you make a habit of it.

 

[mjf]

It was a busy day at work so I wasn't able to cook like I would have liked. Here's what I ate yesterday:

Steel cut oats- 1/4 measured dry
Iso-100 shake- one scoop
3 raw eggs in shake

2 servings natural almonds
1 banana

Iso-100 shake- 1 scoop
3 raw eggs
1/4 cup steel cut oats

Advocare green powder shake
2 servings cottage cheese

Then we went out for dinner so it's harder to enter exact amounts, but
Chips and queso
Chicken fafitas with pico, small amounts of guac and sour cream on flour tortillas
A few bites of a flan dessert.

From that, I would imagine I went way over on carbs, but my fitnesspal has me 20g short. Although typing this, I think I figured out a mistake. I entered the fajitas as a fajita wrap so it may not have counted the 2 small tortillas.

 

[Perrin Aybara]

You probably need to utilize shakes if you struggle that much with protein. A cup of milk, cup of egg whites, cup of oats and a couple scoops of protein powder is about 100g of protein. Throw in whatever else you need for flavor.

 

[mjf]

You probably need to utilize shakes if you struggle that much with protein. A cup of milk, cup of egg whites, cup of oats and a couple scoops of protein powder is about 100g of protein. Throw in whatever else you need for flavor.

As you'll see a trend forming with me, i read things on forums and sometimes something will stick, but I still don't take the time to research to see if it's correct or not. But I read somewhere the body can only process certain amounts of protein at a time. Somewhere around high 50g's. I'm gonna assume I'm incorrect on that.

 

[savage lifter]

You need to be able to gain weight but won't put in the easy work of eating food. You know what your problem is, you said it yourself, you don't eat enough. If you really want to achieve your goals, then start eating more. No one here will tell you much different. You can't expect to see gains if you don't work out so why would you expect to see gains if you don't eat enough to fuel your body?

No hate, just tough love. I don't sugar coat things.

 

[Perrin Aybara]

As you'll see a trend forming with me, i read things on forums and sometimes something will stick, but I still don't take the time to research to see if it's correct or not. But I read somewhere the body can only process certain amounts of protein at a time. Somewhere around high 50g's. I'm gonna assume I'm incorrect on that.

We were just talking about this the other day actually.

Does meal timing matter?

It's fine though, I usually split a shake like that in two, but I slam it all at once sometimes.

 

[mjf]

We were just talking about this the other day actually.

Does meal timing matter?

It's fine though, I usually split a shake like that in two, but I slam it all at once sometimes.

I don't click on every thread here. I did get about a half a page into that one before my add kicked in and I was ff to look at something else. I'll have to read it now.

I did somehow make it 12 pages into the trainwreck thread of dude sleeping with his son's fiancée. I love trainwreck threads though. Makes me feel like I'm not as bad off as I think.

 

[Perrin Aybara]

I don't click on every thread here. I did get about a half a page into that one before my add kicked in and I was ff to look at something else. I'll have to read it now.

I did somehow make it 12 pages into the trainwreck thread of dude sleeping with his son's fiancée. I love trainwreck threads though. Makes me feel like I'm not as bad off as I think.

I didn't get too far into that one. I read a lot around here since I get bored at work and I've always got my phone on me. I've wasted days on other train wreck threads though.

 

[mjf]

I didn't get too far into that one. I read a lot around here since I get bored at work and I've always got my phone on me. I've wasted days on other train wreck threads though.

Hehe. Like the odie call out of gg. I couldn't stop clicking on that one for some reason, but I gave up on the other after reading 12 pages in one sitting.

 

[Perrin Aybara]

The longest train wreck I read was the the who is the most worthless member thread. It was like 80 pages or something. I didn't get much work done for a couple days, lol.

 

[Mbell4377]

I don't eat enough and therefore don't gain weight or size, even with cycling. I honestly don't really even understand dieting very well. When someone tells me to look at iifym, I just get more confused.

A couple years ago, I paid for a nutritionist to lay me out a diet plan. Two diet plans actually. One being a basic clean eating plan (same crap to eat every day) and the other a carb cycle plan. Both based on a 3000 calorie diet. When I follow it religiously, I stay lean, make small gains, and look pretty good. My two complaints of following a rigid diet are: it gets very boring and old quick and it's hard to shovel 6 meals down, even at only 3000 calories. Even at 3000 calories, these are for the most part full plates of food each meal.

I'm mostly just blabbing here, like you guys are my friends and care, but if anyone has any words of wisdom, I'd be glad to hear them. I'm sick of doing all this for nothing and want to grow finally.

Yep, boring and consistent, that's where gains come from, start eating for fuel and growth rather than enjoyment. It's the guys that don't miss their meals or macros for years that build great physiques, the discipline and will to do whatever it takes. If this game was easy everyone would do it.
I remember being a teen and going to a Mike Francois seminar, I remember him saying he hadn't had a piece of chocolate in 15yrs and hadn't missed a meal in 12. That sunk in, this isn't for the faint of heart, that's obsession, dedication, desire.....
What do you want out of this?

 

[Docd187123]

Yep, boring and consistent, that's where gains come from, start eating for fuel and growth rather than enjoyment. It's the guys that don't miss their meals or macros for years that build great physiques, the discipline and will to do whatever it takes. If this game was easy everyone would do it.
I remember being a teen and going to a Mike Francois seminar, I remember him saying he hadn't had a piece of chocolate in 15yrs and hadn't missed a meal in 12. That sunk in, this isn't for the faint of heart, that's obsession, dedication, desire.....
What do you want out of this?

There's no need to be that neurotic about your diet unless you're in contest prep.