How i fucked my first cycle and second cycle plans

[smartidiot]

so im gunna finish cutting in 2-3 weeks i ran anywhere from 200-500 test 100-250tren during the time aswell as some rad. I was really impatient i started "cycling in may" and planned 16 weeks test only but as i spent more time on forums and elsewhere looking at steroid advice I ended up bouncing my dose up and down every week or so also couldn't stick to a cut for the life of me, I would cut 10lbs then "maintain" or try to recomp cause i thought i was losing muscle and wasting my first cycle (way too much time spent online). Then i added tren, clen and t3 to speed up the process but again bounced around on both dosages and diet. Steroids really aren't magic when your cutting. (other than tren i started repping my max on 4 weeks on 200mg while in a 1000cal deficit but i couldn't sleep for shit so I had to drop it down to 75mg where i feel good). I only have 10 or so more lbs to lose and Ive started using DNP, frontloaded 400mg today and plan to keep it at 200mg for 3 weeks, 200 test + 75 tren and 50 mcg t3 and this should probably get me to 12% bodyfat.

After this It'll be mid august as i probably need to cut an extra 2 weeks after dnp to get my metabolism and thyroid function back and not relapse but after that I was planning on taking a little break getting bloods back and running a proper mass building cycle.

I know i messed up and was really stupid running tren, test, clen, dnp all in the first cycle but luckily i'm really young and bloods that I got last week weren't anything outside of the ordinary. Lipids and Liver enzymes were in check and kidney function was fine. That's all i got checked this time along w a hormone panel, kinda hard to decipher how much test was actually built up in my system at that point cuz of the switching around of the doses every week. I also think the use of some retatrutide also helped keep my health markers to the high end of normal range

I wanna avoid getting fat again during this bulk and im willing to sacrifice some muscle building potential for that, a cut that shouldve lasted 3-4months ended up being double that and i hate myself for that.


Cycle 2: 400-600 test, 200DHB, 75tren 16 weeks

Tren's just in there for nutrition partioning bcz I absolutely shit myself at the idea of gaining any extra bodyfat on this cycle. the surplus will probably only be 200-500cals. DHB is just here bcz primo and mast is impossible to get in canada other than a couple of sources w Mast P but after asking around they don't have enough for my cycle and i would hate having to pin it everyday.

 

[BigDadd7]

Your second cycle: food, water, rest

You're not ready for this and your first cycle proves it. Get your shit together.

 

[2ndchancesNK]

Ok, after reading this I can 100% say you need to step back. That constant yo-yoing of hormones is never a good idea. You pick a dose and stick with it! If it’s a newer compound, don’t be afraid to titrate up and gauge side effects/get bloodwork to see how your body is being affected.

Secondly, way too many people are using steroids to cut and I’m not entirely sure why. DIET gets you lean along with supplemental cardio — you don’t need a cycle to do this, but it sounds like you can’t stick to your diet is the bigger issue.

It’s redeeming to see you acknowledge how ridiculous your first cycle was. However, you continue on to say you are going to include DHB and Tren in your SECOND CYCLE! Slow down dude, don’t even tap the brakes, stomp on em. You don’t need all these bullshit drugs to accomplish your goals. While you may be young and healthy, this is a bullshit lazy approach.

What are your stats? Years training/routine? Diet/nutrition?

 

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[readalot]

I know i messed up and was really stupid

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[Ricky93]

What u mean 200-500 test 100-250 tren? That's a very wide range. I think u should measure how much u're taking first.

Cycle 2: you're not ready. You don't take hormones seriously. Have u done blood work? How much u aromatize? Quit cycling, just hop on TRT, highest Test dose possible without an AI until ur E2 goes above 35. Start adding compounds from there. This cycling shit is old school in my opinion. Probably the whole community will think like me in 5-10 years. Just hop on TRT first(highest dose possible till E2 above 30-35) without AI and then add compounds on top.
Everything long term. Primo, Mast if you're bald, Anavar, low dose NPP, (tren ace) ... . No HCG until u plan for children or take HMG that's even better for fertility.

 

[Ateam2023]

so im gunna finish cutting in 2-3 weeks i ran anywhere from 200-500 test 100-250tren during the time aswell as some rad. I was really impatient i started "cycling in may" and planned 16 weeks test only but as i spent more time on forums and elsewhere looking at steroid advice I ended up bouncing my dose up and down every week or so also couldn't stick to a cut for the life of me, I would cut 10lbs then "maintain" or try to recomp cause i thought i was losing muscle and wasting my first cycle (way too much time spent online). Then i added tren, clen and t3 to speed up the process but again bounced around on both dosages and diet. Steroids really aren't magic when your cutting. (other than tren i started repping my max on 4 weeks on 200mg while in a 1000cal deficit but i couldn't sleep for shit so I had to drop it down to 75mg where i feel good). I only have 10 or so more lbs to lose and Ive started using DNP, frontloaded 400mg today and plan to keep it at 200mg for 3 weeks, 200 test + 75 tren and 50 mcg t3 and this should probably get me to 12% bodyfat.

After this It'll be mid august as i probably need to cut an extra 2 weeks after dnp to get my metabolism and thyroid function back and not relapse but after that I was planning on taking a little break getting bloods back and running a proper mass building cycle.

I know i messed up and was really stupid running tren, test, clen, dnp all in the first cycle but luckily i'm really young and bloods that I got last week weren't anything outside of the ordinary. Lipids and Liver enzymes were in check and kidney function was fine. That's all i got checked this time along w a hormone panel, kinda hard to decipher how much test was actually built up in my system at that point cuz of the switching around of the doses every week. I also think the use of some retatrutide also helped keep my health markers to the high end of normal range

I wanna avoid getting fat again during this bulk and im willing to sacrifice some muscle building potential for that, a cut that shouldve lasted 3-4months ended up being double that and i hate myself for that.


Cycle 2: 400-600 test, 200DHB, 75tren 16 weeks

Tren's just in there for nutrition partioning bcz I absolutely shit myself at the idea of gaining any extra bodyfat on this cycle. the surplus will probably only be 200-500cals. DHB is just here bcz primo and mast is impossible to get in canada other than a couple of sources w Mast P but after asking around they don't have enough for my cycle and i would hate having to pin it everyday.

Smartidiot? More like just plain IDIOT!

 

[smartidiot]

Ok, after reading this I can 100% say you need to step back. That constant yo-yoing of hormones is never a good idea. You pick a dose and stick with it! If it’s a newer compound, don’t be afraid to titrate up and gauge side effects/get bloodwork to see how your body is being affected.

Secondly, way too many people are using steroids to cut and I’m not entirely sure why. DIET gets you lean along with supplemental cardio — you don’t need a cycle to do this, but it sounds like you can’t stick to your diet is the bigger issue.

It’s redeeming to see you acknowledge how ridiculous your first cycle was. However, you continue on to say you are going to include DHB and Tren in your SECOND CYCLE! Slow down dude, don’t even tap the brakes, stomp on em. You don’t need all these bullshit drugs to accomplish your goals. While you may be young and healthy, this is a bullshit lazy approach.

What are your stats? Years training/routine? Diet/nutrition?

im 19, 5'9 and 158lbs at 16-18% bf? I've been lifting for 3 years but am significantly behind because my diet was super shit, i dirty bulked then did half cuts where i lost 10-20lbs but quit and went back to dirty bulking gaining it all back. I couldn't seem to stay disciplined on the cut for the last 20lbs but today is the farthest ive gotten finally seeing visible abs. I regret dirty bulking cause all it did was put on unnecessary fat and make it harder to add calories and muscle later on. I go to failure on everything and did every split from PPL to FB.


I know it's gunna put a bad taste in your mouth when i say this but i really wanna run a second cycle and finally be happy with my body. I think its a combination of the fact i didnt get any side affects and my bloodwork was fine that lets me be more willing to take the risk and jump into more toxic compounds this early on. I would love to hear what you suggest for a second cycle something like test + EQ was also on my mind but i figured i could build more muscle using this stack.

Training has always been dialed, but my diet was always lackluster but Im finally proving to myself that I can do it and im sticking past and getting to 12% bf for sure this time I barely have 10lbs left to lose.

 

[Nidus]

im 19, 5'9 and 158lbs at 16-18% bf? I've been lifting for 3 years but am significantly behind because my diet was super shit, i dirty bulked then did half cuts where i lost 10-20lbs but quit and went back to dirty bulking gaining it all back. I couldn't seem to stay disciplined on the cut for the last 20lbs but today is the farthest ive gotten finally seeing visible abs. I regret dirty bulking cause all it did was put on unnecessary fat and make it harder to add calories and muscle later on. I go to failure on everything and did every split from PPL to FB.


I know it's gunna put a bad taste in your mouth when i say this but i really wanna run a second cycle and finally be happy with my body. I think its a combination of the fact i didnt get any side affects and my bloodwork was fine that lets me be more willing to take the risk and jump into more toxic compounds this early on. I would love to hear what you suggest for a second cycle something like test + EQ was also on my mind but i figured i could build more muscle using this stack.

Training has always been dialed, but my diet was always lackluster but Im finally proving to myself that I can do it and im sticking past and getting to 12% bf for sure this time I barely have 10lbs left to lose.

So what are you looking for here then? People just to say yes? Ignore previous advice and wait until someone confirms you in your decisions?

 

[smartidiot]

What u mean 200-500 test 100-250 tren? That's a very wide range. I think u should measure how much u're taking first.

Cycle 2: you're not ready. You don't take hormones seriously. Have u done blood work? How much u aromatize? Quit cycling, just hop on TRT, highest Test dose possible without an AI until ur E2 goes above 35. Start adding compounds from there. This cycling shit is old school in my opinion. Probably the whole community will think like me in 5-10 years. Just hop on TRT first(highest dose possible till E2 above 30-35) without AI and then add compounds on top.
Everything long term. Primo, Mast if you're bald, Anavar, low dose NPP, (tren ace) ... . No HCG until u plan for children or take HMG that's even better for fertility.

honestly this is a really unique view on steroids i never thought about this. I'm very lucky and don't aromatize even at higher bodyfat, i was sitting at 4000ng/dl when taking my bloods but im not sure what the total concentration of testosterone was in my body because I was switching dosages every week so 1 week i would do 200 next week i would jump to 500 then the week after i would go back down to 300. So no clue what steady state was lol. E2 was 42pg/ml but zero estrogen sides.

What else do you suggest ill probably run 75mg of tren along with 400mg of test and figure the test out as i go, you think I could increase the test a little and add some EQ or another compound? No one has primo right now but im willing to get some mast if i can run it and test a little higher. Also what do you think about DHB i assume you aren't gunna be too harsh on my selection as you've added tren to ur list.

 

[readalot]

People just to say yes?

Yes.

 

[smartidiot]

So what are you looking for here then? People just to say yes? Ignore previous advice and wait until someone confirms you in your decisions?

I gave an alternative with the EQ and test cycle, I think you gotta understand that everyone reacts differently to gear not my fault your bloods gets raped at 500mgs of test and i can run 200 tren no problem. If the whole point of telling me not to do it is to keep my healthy but im healthy while doing it then the point is defeated. Unless you can tell me why its a bad idea to run this "toxic" stuff when my blood work came back clean.

 

[readalot]

im 19, 5'9 and 158lbs at 16-18% bf?

You don't know? Seems like you should know. You don't know your age, weight or BF? Some or all?

 

[Bandern]

At 5’9” 158 you do not need tren you need a chicken farm and a rice paddy.

You’re on a diet year round, cutting or bulking. Learn how to make a meal plan and stick to it before turning your booty cheeks into a Thai pharmacy. You’re not gonna look big you’re gonna look fuggin weird.

 

[readalot]

If the whole point of telling me not to do it is to keep my healthy but im healthy while doing it then the point is defeated. Unless you can tell me why its a bad idea to run this "toxic" stuff when my blood work came back clean.

The whole point of telling you not to do it is because you don't need it. You aren't ready yet. You skipped over a bunch of steps. You lack discipline and are trying to make up for that with drugs. Pointless and you'll be back to where you started after your cycles indefinitely cause you didn't do the hw and necessary steps before the drugs.

 

[2ndchancesNK]

im 19, 5'9 and 158lbs at 16-18% bf? I've been lifting for 3 years but am significantly behind because my diet was super shit, i dirty bulked then did half cuts where i lost 10-20lbs but quit and went back to dirty bulking gaining it all back. I couldn't seem to stay disciplined on the cut for the last 20lbs but today is the farthest ive gotten finally seeing visible abs. I regret dirty bulking cause all it did was put on unnecessary fat and make it harder to add calories and muscle later on. I go to failure on everything and did every split from PPL to FB.


I know it's gunna put a bad taste in your mouth when i say this but i really wanna run a second cycle and finally be happy with my body. I think its a combination of the fact i didnt get any side affects and my bloodwork was fine that lets me be more willing to take the risk and jump into more toxic compounds this early on. I would love to hear what you suggest for a second cycle something like test + EQ was also on my mind but i figured i could build more muscle using this stack.

Training has always been dialed, but my diet was always lackluster but Im finally proving to myself that I can do it and im sticking past and getting to 12% bf for sure this time I barely have 10lbs left to lose.

Based on what you’re writing, you have no business taking anything, especially given your age. You’re bouncing all over the place with your goals. You shouldn’t be taking a damn thing at 158lbs.

You need to have diet, training, and rest all down before even thinking about touching gear. Take it from me, I slaved away from 15-28 yrs old before I took gear. I attained a solid natural physique and made an ADULT choice to hop on with an understanding that these drugs can and will fuck you up if not approached with caution and knowledge of potential issues.

Let me put it this way, even if you take shit and become happy with your physique, because you don’t know how to maintain it when off, it will all wither away. Then what? Throw the fucking kitchen sink in again to make it back to a half decent physique? You’re doing this ass backwards.

 

[Ricky93]

honestly this is a really unique view on steroids i never thought about this. I'm very lucky and don't aromatize even at higher bodyfat, i was sitting at 4000ng/dl when taking my bloods but im not sure what the total concentration of testosterone was in my body because I was switching dosages every week so 1 week i would do 200 next week i would jump to 500 then the week after i would go back down to 300. So no clue what steady state was lol. E2 was 42pg/ml but zero estrogen sides.

What else do you suggest ill probably run 75mg of tren along with 400mg of test and figure the test out as i go, you think I could increase the test a little and add some EQ or another compound? No one has primo right now but im willing to get some mast if i can run it and test a little higher. Also what do you think about DHB i assume you aren't gunna be too harsh on my selection as you've added tren to ur list.

Again I would think about long term health. No tren. Some people who've tried it don't want anything else. I've never done tren exactly because of the psychological shit it does to both ur paranoid state(relationships) and bigorexia(visually) look.
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I would find the highest test dose u can run before ur E2 SENSITIVE (LC/MS) blood work, goes above 30-35.
Not all brands/carrier oils are the same.

 

[2ndchancesNK]

Last thing I will say, I’m telling you dude, figure out everything outside of drugs right now so when the time comes you don’t spin your wheels.

This new generation of kids has this warped perspective of wanting everything NOW. This shit is a marathon, not a sprint. Learn everything you can about diet and training. Find what works for you and commit to it, because based on your stats, you’re just not there yet.

And trust me, second cycle and you’ll be happy? Yeah, no. When I bought my Test (and test only) for my first cycle, I bought Clomid, Nolvadex, and HcG for PCT. Guess what happened? I didn’t touch it. I decided to start blasting and cruising and following up with more cycles.

At your age, get everything down inside and outside of the gym for results. Also, focus on banging tons of broads and finding out what you want your career to be. Those should be your goals, not deciding what drug to blast for gains you likely won’t be able to keep.

 

[smartidiot]

Again I would think about long term health. No tren. Some people who've tried it don't want anything else. I've never done tren exactly because of the psychological shit it does to both ur paranoid state(relationships) and bigorexia(visually) look.
A
I would find the highest test dose u can run before ur E2 SENSITIVE (LC/MS) blood work, goes above 30-35.
Not all brands/carrier oils are the same.

if i could get a brain scan to see if tren is genuinely fucking with it, I would but outside of insomnia and night sweats when i was running 200mg I'm devoid of any of the tren sides.

 

[smartidiot]

Based on what you’re writing, you have no business taking anything, especially given your age. You’re bouncing all over the place with your goals. You shouldn’t be taking a damn thing at 158lbs.

You need to have diet, training, and rest all down before even thinking about touching gear. Take it from me, I slaved away from 15-28 yrs old before I took gear. I attained a solid natural physique and made an ADULT choice to hop on with an understanding that these drugs can and will fuck you up if not approached with caution and knowledge of potential issues.

Let me put it this way, even if you take shit and become happy with your physique, because you don’t know how to maintain it when off, it will all wither away. Then what? Throw the fucking kitchen sink in again to make it back to a half decent physique? You’re doing this ass backwards.

maintaining is just eating at maintenance and pushing a sports trt dose, there's no magic in maintaining gains made on gear just drop the dose train and eat hard and you'll keep whatever your body is able to keep with the amount of anabolics in your body currently.