How does the government "create" a job???

[Kayz]

Local and state elections are coming up and all I hear from my shitty Governor, whom has run Ohio into the ground and wasted Billions of dollars, is how he is going to "create" more jobs for Ohio. 2 issues here:

1) Since when is it the job of the government to "create" jobs for people???

2) Assuming it is the job of the government to "create" a job for an American, how does the government go about "creating" a job???

In Ohio, NEW businesses (i.e.: have never operated in Ohio before) get massive tax breaks at the expense of businsses' like my family who've been in OH since 1932!!! We pay higher state taxes than a NEW business even though we just "invested" $5 million back into the state government. How does this help create jobs?????

Why doesn't the fucking government step aside and let nature take its course. If businesses have more money to operate they will re-invest in their future, which WILL "create" more jobs. Everything the government touches turns to shit.

So my question is this: why do Americans feel that a job must be created for them??? And why does the government feel they can in fact create said job??

 

[Bob Smith]

I dont believe government cant create jobs, unless its actually a government position. They can change their fiscal policies to promote job growth (low corporate taxes, etc), but they cant directly create jobs.

 

[Kayz]

I dont believe government cant create jobs, unless its actually a government position. They can change their fiscal policies to promote job growth (low corporate taxes, etc), but they cant directly create jobs.

Right...but why does every politician say "I will create jobs."??? Because that's what Americans want to hear, right??? But why is that American workers actually believe that some fucking politician can create a job???

Sure, GWB can "create" 1,000 jobs if he hires 1,000 people to work for the IRS...but that's not what I'm talking about.

Every election is about jobs, and creating more jobs, and keeping existing jobs where they are. Why?? Why do people drool over these empty promises only to get upset at that candidate when he/she does not create a job them??

 

[Bob Smith]

Because that is the whole basis of politicians. They know that the vast majority of Americans are essentially dumb and will believe the promises of government officials. The issues are far more complex than will ever be reported in the news, and most people can barely comprehend what IS reported, so what ISNT reported is WAY over their heads. So using the ignornace of the populace, the politicians can say anything they want without being questioned about it. The people that do have a clue are usually too focused on their own thing to really give a shit about what some know-nothing politician promises during his campaign rally.

It doesnt matter if the issue is social security, taxes, farm subsidies, foreign policy, etc, Americans dont really know anything about those topics. I would say Im probably one of the most studied people on Meso when it comes to business and finance, but most of these topics are above me. You would honestly have to be a PhD to understand the complexities and how they relate to the 400 other things that interact with this one change.

 

[Bob Smith]

As for why people want the govt to create jobs...because we have turned into this giant country of people that believe they are entitled to everything without having to work for it. Look at the welfare community. Or the old folks and their social security entitlements. Everyone believes they are entitled to a $75k/yr job, working 30 hours per week and having the company pay 100% of their benefits.

 

[Grizzly]

1) Since when is it the job of the government to "create" jobs for people???

Since Franklin Roosevelt and The New Deal. Since the Tennesse Valley Authority. Since we were walkin' in hiiiiiigh cotton, good times they are not forgotten. Blah, blah, blah. Daddy got a job with the TVA, we got a washing machine and then a Chevrolet.

See that shit, Bob? No one talks about getting a fucking Hyundai in country music. You don't know shit about cars!

edit- Oh yeah, and then Johnson compounded the problem with The Great Society.

 

[Grizzly]

As for why people want the govt to create jobs...because we have turned into this giant country of people that believe they are entitled to everything without having to work for it. Look at the welfare community. Or the old folks and their social security entitlements. Everyone believes they are entitled to a $75k/yr job, working 30 hours per week and having the company pay 100% of their benefits.

Well, aren't I? That sounds like a pretty good job to me. I think I should have it. Half the time at work and 2.5X the money. Don't my good looks entitle me to something?

 

[GeaR_and_SauCe]

Government can create jobs either flat out or vicariously. Economic polocies, governement jobs, increased government spending....this things all effect the number of total jobs there our here in the country.

Think about it. My grandmom used to work in a factory that made ammo and gernades. During times of war, more jobs are created in such a factory because the government spends more money on these things. This is just an example.

Job growth is a sign of economic gain, which seems to be a good thing, hence politicians like it to make it seem like they are responsible for it.

 

[Kayz]

Government can create jobs either flat out or vicariously. Economic polocies, governement jobs, increased government spending....this things all effect the number of total jobs there our here in the country.

Think about it. My grandmom used to work in a factory that made ammo and gernades. During times of war, more jobs are created in such a factory because the government spends more money on these things. This is just an example.

Job growth is a sign of economic gain, which seems to be a good thing, hence politicians like it to make it seem like they are responsible for it.

You are missing the point!!! I'm not talking about governement creating new government jobs...I'm talking about real jobs. Sure, a state government can give a huge tax break to entice a new company to come into the state, which will create more jobs...but it will do so at the expense of all the other companies who will see higher taxes to cover the tax credit for the much larger/newer company. In turn, these smaller companies will lay people off...so it's a wash. This is exactly what my company is dealing with right now in Ohio, which is why I brink this up. We laid off 6 people last friday because we can't afford to keep them. But that's okay because Delphi has massive tax abatements to make it easier on them.

Increased government spending can create new jobs, but again...at the expense of whom?? Teh taxpayers. The very people whom will benefit from said job. So you get a new job made just for you and then you get taxed to death to pay for your new job...doesn't make much sense. Also, why should I have to pay more taxes so billyjoebob can make $22/hr. working at Delphi/GM/Ford, just so a politician can go to bed at night feeling all warm and fuzzy.

 

[Grizzly]

Also, why should I have to pay more taxes so billyjoebob can make $22/hr. working at Delphi/GM/Ford, just so a politician can go to bed at night feeling all warm and fuzzy.

You shouldn't, but that is the end-result of socialistic policies. Someone always has to be sacrificed for the benefit of others.

 

[Bob Smith]

You are missing the point!!! I'm not talking about governement creating new government jobs...I'm talking about real jobs.

Exactly.