NeedleNoob
Member
I've been told if I homebrew I will inevitably die lol. I have an autoclave and .22 micron filters, and full ppe. Is this enough?
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
How dangerous is homebrew? How sterile does it have to be?
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xmilar
New Member
I buy all my vials pre sterilized. As long as everything after the filtering stays sterile, you would be ok
origamiwizard8
Member
People who brew and sell gear typically take more measures to guarantee sterility (autoclave sterilization of glassware, higher BA concentrations in the brew, etc). For personal use and from what I've read, it seems like the most important things are rudimentary sterilization of glassware (soap/water or even alcohol solution) and filtering. If you're crimping your own bottles then this becomes another point where you would need to be careful with contaminants. But if you're using pre-sterilized sealed vials then it really doesn't take much to make a safe and clean brew.
Do you brew?
origamiwizard8
Member
Just made some Test E and some oral suspensions
NeedleNoob
Member
I have vials that I have to sterilize. I was going to put them in the autoclave.
CHRIS VERDI
Banned
What are the odds if I sterilize everything, good tested raws, good procedure, double filter 1 in a vacuum filter then again in a syringe filter. Followed all steps double checked the ingredients even do petri vials testing for bacteria growth and syringe filter directly into a sterile vial that was bought that way.
I'm worried I might miss 1 small STUPID step. Like should I boil the oil with raws to sterilize that?
origamiwizard8
Member
Absolutely do not 'boil' the oil with the raws in it. You will burn that shit and waste everything. Only heat the oil to right when the raws dissolve and not past that. Slow and steady with the heat.
Just make sure you use a 22 micron filter going right into sterile vials, that’s the most important. Everything before that is a nice-to-have but not nearly as critical.
Heating the raws up too much will make brown goop, trust me...
Just make sure you use a 22 micron filter going right into sterile vials, that’s the most important. Everything before that is a nice-to-have but not nearly as critical.
Heating the raws up too much will make brown goop, trust me...
Bro there's overkill then there's you lol. If you're making under 500mls just use syringe filters into sterile vials and that's that my man!
CHRIS VERDI
Banned
I appreciate your help, I was reading to boil the oil and not to boil the oil. I'm almost out of my pharmaceutical grade gear and will have to use my homebrew soon. I just keep thinking I'm missing one small step but fuck it . Thank you mate!
origamiwizard8
Member
No prob, you're gonna be basically replicating what a compounding pharm does so if your raws are good and your math is solid you'll be creating some primo quality gear (pun intended). Happy trails.
Like the other guy said. As long as everything downstream from (after) your .22 micron filter is sterile, you have nothing to worry about. .22 micron will filter out bacteria and anything else you need to worry about. The filter is the key and that honestly is all you need.
Just be careful with the vacuum filter so as not to break the filter. If you watch and you suddenly see the liquid move through the filter much faster than before, the filter probably burst. At that point you must extract the oil from the vial and refilter it then toss the vial.
A little biology 101 for you:
- "By calculating the amount of space required to house this “needed stuff,” the lowest theoretical size for a free-living prokaryotic cell [a single celled bacteria] is estimated to be a sphere of 250 to 300 nm in diameter (primary source 227)." - Harvard
- the vast majority of bacteria are much larger than that theoretical lowest size limit above
- viruses are often much smaller of course, but viruses can't live outside their host, so even if some how you had a virus floating around your house that go caught up in your oil, it would die pretty quickly, rather than replicate and cause a dangerous growth like bacteria would.
- bacteria can live outside a host, replicating themselves and forming large colonies to the point where you can see the colony with the naked eye. Viruses cannot survive outside the host. Maybe it is a good idea to avoid homebrewing while sick/around a sick person just to be safe.
- a .22 micron filter is 220 manometers, which is small enough that it will filter out all bacteria.
- additionally the BA will also prevent bacterial growth in the even something somehow got through.
- lastly, post brew you obviously never use unsterile needle tips to dip into a vial. Never ever ever do that.
So basically the filter is the key. That's it. You should never heat the oils to disinfect them, just heat enough to dissolve the raws.
Be patient when filtering, it is a slow process. You are pushing (or pulling) viscous oil through a bunch of tiny 220 nanometer holes, that is a high pressure activity. Be careful and go slow so you don't burst the membrane and have to start all over.
Print our your brewing instructions and use a pen/pencil to cross off the steps as you work through them to avoid missing anything.
CHRIS VERDI
Banned
Fantastic! This puts my mind at ease.
Shame it isnt just otc legal but gotta do what ya gotta do. Now I gotta fix this gyno that is now just starting.
Shame it isnt just otc legal but gotta do what ya gotta do. Now I gotta fix this gyno that is now just starting.
wsmwannabe
New Member
I just did my first ever brew 2 weeks ago and have brewed 2 more compounds since then. It is very “scary” the first time you do it, but after your first time you realize that you were just scared because it was new, not because it’s difficult.
It’s just like your first time ever pinning. It’s scary because you’ve never done it, but after one or two pins you realize how big of a deal it isn’t.
Jestopherson
Member
The sterile 0.22um filters sterilize the gear. That's their job.
I alcohol wash, distilled water rinse then, steam sterilize using distilled before filling and crimping. No issues to date. Wear masks, gloves, sterilize all surfaces and restrict any non purified air flow if you can. Having a dedicated room or area where you can control the air is best.
CHRIS VERDI
Banned
Oh absolutely , but I also don't want to be the idiot who bought bb thinking it was the right right bb and like die or directly injected death bacteria because of wrong filter or didn't follow a step.
It's a very simple process and it's been documented about a billion times and nobody dead yet so quit freaking the fuck out. Bb/Ba is all the same shit so....
Brew your stuff then filter through a .22 Whatman syringe filter into sterile vials and that's that already.
Damn bro don't ever use tren or eq lol
Just to be clear @CHRIS VERDI . if the filter burst then you need to extract the juice out of the vial it burst into and add it back into your main beaker with the rest of the unfiltered stuff. Then toss the now dirty vial and get all new items--meedle tips, vials, filteres, whatever else. Then start over again using less pressure.
CHRIS VERDI
Banned
Oh you better believe I'm gonna go full retard on tren. I not whining , I'm making sure I dont fuck up. Thanks for the concern but I understood the risks and its because I understand the risks I'm making absolutely fucking sure to minimize that.It's a very simple process and it's been documented about a billion times and nobody dead yet so quit freaking the fuck out. Bb/Ba is all the same shit so....
Brew your stuff then filter through a .22 Whatman syringe filter into sterile vials and that's that already.
Damn bro don't ever use tren or eq lol
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