Correct answer: people flooded and strained the health care system because they had Covid.
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Covid was the diagnosis if you were admitted for a broken leg or someone shot you in the ass.
Covid was instant cash. You slap that diagnosis on the patient and you get $10,000+ in your pocket instantly.
Hospitals live on reimbursement, it's extremely expensive to run a hospital as wages especially for nursing keep rising.
Hospitals will structure their treatments around what will be reimbursed. If the government told them they'd get $5000 for sticking their finger up the ass of every single inpatient you better believe you're gonna get a finger up the ass.
And this works for every department, lab, radiology, respiratory therapy. The government sends you a list of what they will pay for and it's the managers job to make sure they perform those tests or procedures on as many patients as possible.
It's one of the reasons healthcare has been dumb down. It's no longer about your health, it's strictly and I do mean strictly following a script in order to make sure you meet and comply with what the government wants, this is why you have several upper level managers that review the charts to make sure they are following "not what the patient needs", but what will be reimbursed. So in this case everyone gets the Covid and the Hospital gets their cash.
Totally agree that the hospital’s job is to bill everything possible. It’s a total scam and no one does it better than the US of A. No one
Having said that, COVID ravaged hospital profits Financial Effects of COVID-19: Hospital Outlook for the Remainder of 2021 | AHA
Having said that, COVID ravaged hospital profits Financial Effects of COVID-19: Hospital Outlook for the Remainder of 2021 | AHA
Sicker patients. Hospitals are seeing more high acuity, inpatient cases—including COVID-19 patients—requiring longer lengths of stay than prior to the pandemic in 2019. While such cases are contributing to revenue increases, any gains are offset by higher care costs for treating patients with more severe conditions.
Higher expenses. Expenses are rising across the board, as hospitals face increasing costs for labor, drugs, purchased services, personal protective equipment (PPE), and other medical and safety supplies needed to care for higher acuity patients.
Fewer outpatient visits. Hospital outpatient visits—which tend to have lower expenses and higher margins—continue to grow, but remain depressed compared to 2019 levels. They have yet to fully recover after plummeting with nationwide shutdowns and COVID-19 mitigation efforts in the early months of the pandemic in 2020.
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Sicker patients are transferred to larger facilities that have better equipped intensive care. Causing smaller hospitals to lose out as they spend their days transferring patients getting little reimbursement other than emergency room visit and making sure they don't perform duplicate procedures that they won't get money for doing.
Higher expenses: this is a major problem and is getting worse and worse each year. 20 years ago hospitals were making good money, they were getting reimbursed, insurance companies actually paid for services, hospital stays were much longer. Now insurance companies dictate what the patient can have and how long and they make sure they cut everything they can.
Then you have the vendors that supply the hospitals that are gouging prices for supplies, charging astronomical amounts so they can make a good living themselves.
These cuts started under George W. Bush, he basically put in place so many cuts that one hospital after another was shutdown, some held on through Obama, but they had to eventually shut down and give up after past decades of making money, they were losing millions every year.
Fewer Patients. This is the big one. We live in a very competitive healthcare market. The digital age has allowed us to search out the best providers and people flock to those facilities, leaving most of the crappy healthcare providers that fill thousands of cities to watch their patients leave for better providers.
Also large healthcare providers are seeing that surgery centers are far more profitable than hospitals, so they close their hospitals, open clinics and keep their surgeons to bring in huge amounts of revenue without having to spend money on stuff that doesn't make money.
You have also seen a gradual decline in excellence as more and more people are becoming doctors and nurse practitioners. The bar of excellence is much lower. It used to be if you were a doctor you were the top of your class, very sharp. Now people go into the field because they have a "dream" or they want to make a good living. Just like physicists aren't made, they're born, doctors are in much the same league, you either got it or you don't. You can tell when you're in the presence of greatness and when you're not. And most of what is carrying those credentials today just don't have that level of sharpness and mental clarity to meet the demands of the job.
So the only thing left is the shutdowns causing people to wear masks and isolate which naturally lessens disease and will keep people from needing care. Masks do indeed work, if they're a proper mask, we saw the flu numbers plummet with masks.
Many people think modern healthcare is what keeps us alive and living longer. This is bullshit. Lifestyle is what causes you to live long. If you don't have to work hard physically, don't smoke, eat modestly and get a bit of exercise then you can expect to live your natural life expectancy. We know when the industrial revolution started and people were taken off farms and forced into dirty nasty dangerous industrial jobs for long hours life expectancy dropped fast, many of these people were dead by their mid 30's. Dirt farmers however were living into their mid 80's. Go clear back to the ancients 2500 years ago. A person that did intellectual work lived into their 80's, a slave lived to be 30. This is common knowledge. We all know the bank CEO is gonna have a long life, we know the factor worker is probably gonna cut his life expectancy by 15 years or more.
Right again. You continue to amaze.
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Yes sir, you are correct.
Here ya go fella.
Seriously here man, look at this stuff...
This first link has a video of a news conference of up to 50/50 corona intakes vs intakes for other reasons then tested as positive. All counted as covid as most didn't even have symptoms-
Over 40% of NYC’s COVID-infected hospital patients admitted for other reasons
New statistics show that more than 40% of the state’s hospitalized coronavirus-infected patients were admitted for “non-COVID reasons,” Governor Kathy Hochul said.
nypost.com
Hochul orders clearer accounting of COVID cases in hospitals
New York state hospitals will have to start reporting the numbers of patients being treated for symptoms of COVID-19 separately from those who test positive after being admitted for other reasons, …
nypost.com
New York hasn’t released Hochul-ordered data on patients testing positive for COVID after hospitalization
The Health Department refused to release initial statistics ordered by Gov. Hochul intended to differentiate hospitalized COVID sufferers from patients who tested positive during treatment for othe…
nypost.com
Many patients hospitalized for other ailments are also testing positive for Covid
Patients taken to the hospital with Covid — instead of for Covid — may be earlier in the course of the disease and far more contagious, doctors say.
www.nbcnews.com
Covid: Up to one in four admitted to hospital for other reasons
The government says counting all patients who test positive is vital because of the impact on the NHS.
www.bbc.com
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/number-of-patients-hospitalized-with-covid-vs-for-covid-is-shifting/ar-AAT0Y4E.
THEY COUNTED DEATHS THE SAME WAY
View: https://youtu.be/Tw9Ci2PZKZg
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Yes sir, you are correct.
Here ya go fella.
Seriously here man, look at this stuff...
This first link has a video of a news conference of up to 50/50 corona intakes vs intakes for other reasons then tested as positive. All counted as covid as most didn't even have symptoms-
Over 40% of NYC’s COVID-infected hospital patients admitted for other reasons
New statistics show that more than 40% of the state’s hospitalized coronavirus-infected patients were admitted for “non-COVID reasons,” Governor Kathy Hochul said.
Hochul orders clearer accounting of COVID cases in hospitals
New York state hospitals will have to start reporting the numbers of patients being treated for symptoms of COVID-19 separately from those who test positive after being admitted for other reasons, …
New York hasn’t released Hochul-ordered data on patients testing positive for COVID after hospitalization
The Health Department refused to release initial statistics ordered by Gov. Hochul intended to differentiate hospitalized COVID sufferers from patients who tested positive during treatment for othe…
Many patients hospitalized for other ailments are also testing positive for Covid
Patients taken to the hospital with Covid — instead of for Covid — may be earlier in the course of the disease and far more contagious, doctors say.
Covid: Up to one in four admitted to hospital for other reasons
The government says counting all patients who test positive is vital because of the impact on the NHS.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/number-of-patients-hospitalized-with-covid-vs-for-covid-is-shifting/ar-AAT0Y4E.
THEY COUNTED DEATHS THE SAME WAY
View: https://youtu.be/Tw9Ci2PZKZg
I hope this will make a fantastic case study of just how corrupt the system becomes when you start tossing cash all over the place.
Covid was 100% pure bullshit. I had it, sure I was sick for a few days, had a headache, ran down, a little chest congestion and then it was gone and I was back to normal. In other words it was a cold that the average person will catch at least once a year.
I'm not going to deny that there were hundreds of thousands that died because they were more vulnerable than you or me.
I had covid twice. The first time, I was sick for 4 or 5 days. At the same time, I personally know 3 very good people who passed at the same time. I lived in NY at that time which was ground central in April 20.
I'm sorry my friend, I will never believe that asking people to make a simple contribution and wear a mask in the grocery store is too much to ask, but with a virus with the mortality risk of covid, I would have to consider a cost/ benefit analysis.
If on the otherhand if it was a virus with a 5-10 % mortality rate, I'm sure you would be on board. If not I would put a pill in you head myself.
My boss at work tested positive for 6 weeks straight without any symptoms. Work would not let him back without a test clearing him.
Fake ass tests.
I'm pretty content with knowing that all this is coming to a head. People that refuse to look will have no choice. This isn't just here, the world knows what's going on.
People with questions are no longer afraid to ask.
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What masks are you suggesting? Do you not find it the least bit ridiculous that we were told something is better than nothing, as it pertained to face coverings? Bandanas, paper masks, paint masks, etc. - as long as you wore SOMETHING you were doing your part. Give me a break.
You'll be happy to know I have no problem wearing a mask.
What I have a problem with is being forced to have a vaccine and endless boosters to make Pfizer and Moderna filthy rich.
If it was just a matter of wearing a mask, I'm with you 100%. And it does appear that masks prevent the flu from spreading. So that was a good thing.
I think the conservatives are mostly wrong on this issue about masks because they wanted to make a big deal out of it, I don't give a shit at all. I have lots of really nice hand-stitched masks that fit like a glove.
I kind of like the mask because it hides my identity when I might be doing something illegal when I'm wearing a pair of mirrored sunglasses and a wide brimmed hat.
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You’re basing this off of the non existent flu numbers for 2021?
You will be pleased to know at this point I support your choice. Personally I don't believe anyone should be forced to receive any medical treatment they refuse.
So far so good for the whiners, but there could become a point where I would strongly disagree. If self entitled mf's think they have a right to kill people more than than they are entitled to do at this point, in what we could all agree is a moderate to mild pandemic, I would have no sympathy for you and anything that could happen to you in a more serious scenario.
Now we're talking.
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