HGH<IGF

[Redrum42]

So it seems that HGH doesn't really do all that much for muscle growth. People use it for that purpose, obviously, but it seems most of the places I look HGH doesn't increase muscle mass significantly. However IGF seens to do incredible things, ans people may attribute the HGH "effects" to that?

Another point is that regular IGF doesn't do shit, it'll raise IGF levels in blood sure but only the recombinant form works as it should in humans. Sorry wish I could find the link for this.

Comments, ideas? Am I completely wrong? rrecombinant IGF seems to be the ultimate growth peptide while as HGH seems to be highly overrated and misused.

 

[Redrum42]

Just to clarify: I know HGH can help skin, sleep, fat loss, etc, but are the muscle growth effects possibly attributable to HGH increasing IGF? And not the HGH itself? If so why isn't just taking IGF superior?

This is probably a bad idea to post a single case of anecdotal evidence but Big Ramy is one of the few people to be able to obtain/afford legit recombinant IGF and that dudes a monster. He grew so goddamn quick.

I feel like IGF is misunderstood and underrated as people don't know that non recombinant won't do shit. True/false?

 

[Gunrunner]

I used 3IUs of GH with minimal results. When I bumped it up to 6IUs a day then I noticed a huge improvement in quality, lean muscle. Blood work (IGF & GH serum) showed my GH was good.

 

[TrySepts]

I used 3IUs of GH with minimal results. When I bumped it up to 6IUs a day then I noticed a huge improvement in quality, lean muscle. Blood work (IGF & GH serum) showed my GH was good.

Were you using pharma grade HGH or UGL?

 

[Gunrunner]

Hyges

 

[Megadick3000]

I used 3IUs of GH with minimal results. When I bumped it up to 6IUs a day then I noticed a huge improvement in quality, lean muscle. Blood work (IGF & GH serum) showed my GH was good.

But the real question gunrunner, was the result financially worth the cost? Because let's face it AAS is a lot cheaper to use than 6iu/day of GH.

 

[Redrum42]

And legit recombinant IGF is very rare but from what I've read, even if it was more expensive than HGH would definitely be worth the cost.

hGH seems usless for anabolic purposes. And if any effects are there, probably from stimulating IGFm again, correct me if I'm wrong

 

[Gunrunner]

But the real question gunrunner, was the result financially worth the cost? Because let's face it AAS is a lot cheaper to use than 6iu/day of GH.

For me it was definitely worth it. I was already on a heavy cut cycle when I bumped up to 6IU. But you are correct, GH, Pepetides, Slin all combined are not as good as AAS.

 

[RingMeister01]

I'm getting great results at 3iu/day while use pharm grade.


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[Megadick3000]

I'm getting great results at 3iu/day while use pharm grade.


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Can you elaborate what your definition of great results is?

Also are you encountering water retention? Have you ever gone off it and suddenly dropped some weight presumably water?

 

[Redrum42]

Really? No other opinions?

It seems HGH is held in such high regards as the ultimate PED because of pros using it and price, but from what I've read, I wouldn't use it unless it was cheaper than testosterone.

Recomb IGF could be the actual holy grail of PEDs people. Get it while it's hot.

 

[Dr__Jan_Itor]

Igf is the ultimate thing but it is ridiculously expensive and much harder to get than pharma hgh.
Hgh is not primarily made for muscle growth but more for Zell growth in general. While aas usually make your muscle bigger. Hgh can help create new cells (hyperplasia) therefore create new muscle cells that can then grow.
Also great for skip, hair and so on.
But not worth the money if your young and not planning on competing. Some people just take it for the feel well effekt. And rejuvenation.

Real igf is probably the stuff that made ramy huge and even if believe bu bunder. Alot of Bodybuilder who come from quwait especially oxygen gym have a little different look to them. But all just a guessing game.

Peptides are a good alternative to low dose hgh.



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[BR1217]

I'll share my thoughts on this matter. I have used AAS off and on for 15 years. Last October I started running 4.5iu's of Omnitrope daily, split am/pm. During this time I was also taking 200mg of TRT weekly. As I get the Omnitrope straight from the pharmacy I am certain it is real. In this time I have experienced a surprising level of muscle growth, improved sleep, fat loss, and skin tone. I did not experience any strength gains during this time which is not surprising as I was mainly doing hypertrophy workouts. I did note extreme joint discomfort at times, shoulders, wrists, hips. At this point the discomfort seems to have passed, except the wrists. I have recently added deca and Dbol in hopes of pushing past some long standing plateaus. I will follow up in a few months to report results from this experiment.

 

[cybrsage]

The timing of the HGH is just as important as how much you use, since it has such a short half-life in the body. Higher doses (above 4IUs) is needed and (from what I have read) you need to take it about 2 hours before working out to see any results.

The big thing about HGH is that it causes new muscle growth, not just increasing the size of the current muscles. You get new cells to play with, so in that sense it is the gift that keeps on giving because they never go away. You still have to work hard to make them big and powerful, but you have more cells to play with.

 

[Roco Bama]

I'll share my thoughts on this matter. I have used AAS off and on for 15 years. Last October I started running 4.5iu's of Omnitrope daily, split am/pm. During this time I was also taking 200mg of TRT weekly. As I get the Omnitrope straight from the pharmacy I am certain it is real. In this time I have experienced a surprising level of muscle growth, improved sleep, fat loss, and skin tone. I did not experience any strength gains during this time which is not surprising as I was mainly doing hypertrophy workouts. I did note extreme joint discomfort at times, shoulders, wrists, hips. At this point the discomfort seems to have passed, except the wrists. I have recently added deca and Dbol in hopes of pushing past some long standing plateaus. I will follow up in a few months to report results from this experiment.

does ur insurance cover partially the cost of omnitrope ?

 

[BR1217]

No. Novartis is the parent company. They have a patient assist program that is pretty sweet. If you make less than 100k annually they will cover it all, zero out of pocket. The hard part is getting your doc to write a script and do all the necessary paperwork for Novartis. It took some work to get it done.

 

[Roco Bama]

No. Novartis is the parent company. They have a patient assist program that is pretty sweet. If you make less than 100k annually they will cover it all, zero out of pocket. The hard part is getting your doc to write a script and do all the necessary paperwork for Novartis. It took some work to get it done.

wow. that is great. I checked out their web. the enrollment process for the patient assist program doesnt look complicated. I just have to find a doc that can write the script. I dont know if prescription from anti aging doctors will work.

 

[bdub22]

Sorry if this is a dumb question im new to hgh. Do you use hgh only while on cycle or could you start hgh while on cycle and then once your cycle is over can you still run hgh? Im not sure if it only makes a difference while on gear or not.

 

[cybrsage]

Sorry if this is a dumb question im new to hgh. Do you use hgh only while on cycle or could you start hgh while on cycle and then once your cycle is over can you still run hgh? Im not sure if it only makes a difference while on gear or not.

You can definitely run HGH while on cycle, in fact that's a great idea. HGH is also a long-term thing, you want to run it for at least 8 months to see its effects. If you can't run it for 8 months to a year it's really not worth doing at all.

 

[Mr MASSE]

If you know what you do, the magic happens!
It's all about synergy of the gear (Testo, Deca, Trenbolon, Oxymentholone, Dianabol, Bolde, Primo.. All gear with upping Igf1 level are good to go...) and the hormones like insulin and T3 or T4...
For Real muscel grow you need more than 10 IU daily!
Every Gh shot with insulin!
Good meals and hard train and enough sleep with all the gear and multiple Gh shoots a day...
Again, if you understand how all works together and if you use more GH you will see...
It's expensive okay, but ask you self where your goals are.
What I write here is known by so many people... It's not a big secret!