HGH: how long and what to expect

[BR1217]

Yes, this HGH would test as pure GH in a serum test but do to incorrect folding it is not bioactive and will not elevate IGF-1 levels. I do not believe this is the intention but if the Chinese are not capable of perfecting the manufacturing process they will still sell this crap as HGH. I cant see the Chinese throwing out incorrectly folded hgh when they know it will test out in a serum test. Therefore the IGF-1 test is the only one that can actually confirm bioactive hgh. Then there is the issue of adding igf-1 to the inactive hgh to show a spike in igf-1 in a blood test, the conspiracies never end.

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[Zaphod]

Thanks for the article! I've read many on there but I hadn't came across that one yet. Definitely makes since and explains the problem with generics. So if it was me then I would only trust the IGF test to verify my GH.

 

[BR1217]

Thanks for the article! I've read many on there but I hadn't came across that one yet. Definitely makes since and explains the problem with generics. So if it was me then I would only trust the IGF test to verify my GH.

The thing that gets me is the unusually high serum levels guys are reporting with generics. I have read of one guy blasting 10iu of Rips and having a serum level near 50! I use Sero's which are pharm grade and they only come in around 20 or so. What the hell is causing the generics to test out so high? I am 99.9% convinced that its not from having that much hgh in it. Weird. I think the only reliable test for generics is the igf-1 test at this point. Unless your running pharm hgh, then the legitimacy is not in question and the serum test will provide a real number.

 

[Zaphod]

Maybe the manufacturer knows that the majority of the HGH they are producing is inactive, so to get the IGF serum levels up they increase the amount of HGH they add to the vial.

If you tested your HGH serum and it comes back very high but your IGF comes back in the "normal" elevated range then I believe that could be the case.

 

[BR1217]

Maybe the manufacturer knows that the majority of the HGH they are producing is inactive, so to get the IGF serum levels up they increase the amount of HGH they add to the vial.

If you tested your HGH serum and it comes back very high but your IGF comes back in the "normal" elevated range then I believe that could be the case.

That is certainly a possibility. I wish everyone would get both serum and igf tests, this would help confirm this theory, or dispel it as nonsense.

 

[BR1217]

That is certainly a possibility. I wish everyone would get both serum and igf tests, this would help confirm this theory, or dispel it as nonsense.

As someone already mentioned there has to be something in it that is bioactive as a lot of people see a lot of the negative sides, edema, cts, etc.

Are their cheap peptides that can cause the same sides as hgh? Worth looking into.

 

[dper726]

Been doing minor reading...... have real led bad flared up sinusitis my head feels like exploding. But ghrp peaks way much earlier then traditional hgh serum testing protocols so we can rule out it being ghrp as a peptide.

Also have read that while 10iu of hygetropin = 10iu of humatrope, purity in terms of the remaining toxins is a whole other animal. Which can lead to bloat and other unwanted sides from growth.....

Ill keep this going later

Wish my cholesterol testing wasn't required or else ill put money into an igf testing right now, been running hyges at 4-5ius 7 days for about three months now.

 

[BR1217]

Been doing minor reading...... have real led bad flared up sinusitis my head feels like exploding. But ghrp peaks way much earlier then traditional hgh serum testing protocols so we can rule out it being ghrp as a peptide.

Also have read that while 10iu of hygetropin = 10iu of humatrope, purity in terms of the remaining toxins is a whole other animal. Which can lead to bloat and other unwanted sides from growth.....

Ill keep this going later

Wish my cholesterol testing wasn't required or else ill put money into an igf testing right now, been running hyges at 4-5ius 7 days for about three months now.

I agree with the purity issue. When I was running Hyges earlier this year I had really good igf numbers on 4iu/day but I was also having issues with CTS and extreme joint pain. As soon as I switched to Serostim these sides started going away, after two weeks they were no longer present. That is the main difference I have seen in the generic vs. Pharm comparison, I also experience some extreme night cramps on Hyges. My hammy would ball up in my sleep and I would wake up screaming like a baby, freaked out my wife! I haven't had these while on Sero's though.

 

[Zaphod]

Due to my age I'm not ready to run GH or I would be more than happy to run the tests also.

And as far as the peptides that could cause the sides, I wouldn't know that either. I'm just now starting into the peptide world, today actually. MGF & IGF.

Contaminates make sense but that would scare me. I've heard a lot of people say that generics effect them that way. What would cause that type of reaction and why do most of the generics act this way!

 

[Zaphod]

I'm gonna throw another idea out there...which is really just an add on to the one earlier.

When a protein is improperly folded it may be inactive to its intended purpose but this doesn't mean it isn't reacting with the body some way.

I read about this in an article somewhere but I cannot locate in now.

 

[BigSha]

Very good read ! Keep on !

 

[pmac928]

Been doing minor reading...... have real led bad flared up sinusitis my head feels like exploding. But ghrp peaks way much earlier then traditional hgh serum testing protocols so we can rule out it being ghrp as a peptide.

Also have read that while 10iu of hygetropin = 10iu of humatrope, purity in terms of the remaining toxins is a whole other animal. Which can lead to bloat and other unwanted sides from growth.....

Ill keep this going later

Wish my cholesterol testing wasn't required or else ill put money into an igf testing right now, been running hyges at 4-5ius 7 days for about three months now.

Hyges dper? I thought all that's out there are copies and try are hit or miss...

 

[pmac928]

Also I'll be going for testing within next week or 2, after 3rd month of gh what Test should I get? Igf or serum... I'd like to know some numbers on the generics I have

 

[dper726]

Hyges dper? I thought all that's out there are copies and try are hit or miss...

My batch is dated from late 2012

 

[Zaphod]

Also I'll be going for testing within next week or 2, after 3rd month of gh what Test should I get? Igf or serum... I'd like to know some numbers on the generics I have

Both would be ideal and you can get them from privatemdlabs for just over $100 after the discount. But IMO the IGF test is necessary for generics.

 

[BR1217]

Also I'll be going for testing within next week or 2, after 3rd month of gh what Test should I get? Igf or serum... I'd like to know some numbers on the generics I have

Are you running generics or pharma? If generics I would definitely get the IGF-1 test. As discussed earlier in this thread I believe it is possible to have elevated serum levels without showing an increase in IGF-1 levels. In this cases the IGF-1 test would be able to confirm that the GH you are taking is elevating IGF-1 levels. Did you get IGF-1 levels tested prior to running HGH? If you are running Pharma either test will be sufficient with IGF-1 being the preferred test.

Sorry, just read that you posted you are running generics, been staring at the screen for too long I guess. IGF-1 test for sure.

 

[pmac928]

Are you running generics or pharma? If generics I would definitely get the IGF-1 test. As discussed earlier in this thread I believe it is possible to have elevated serum levels without showing an increase in IGF-1 levels. In this cases the IGF-1 test would be able to confirm that the GH you are taking is elevating IGF-1 levels. Did you get IGF-1 levels tested prior to running HGH? If you are running Pharma either test will be sufficient with IGF-1 being the preferred test.

Sorry, just read that you posted you are running generics, been staring at the screen for too long I guess. IGF-1 test for sure.

I haven't had any testing done. Why kind of elevated levels am I looking for?

 

[Pericles]

I recently read on another board that IGF-1 is the only accurate test these days. According to the theory proposed the Chinese have found ways to elevate serum HGH levels without using biologically active HGH. With this theory your HGH serum test would be elevated but your IGF-1 levels with see no change due to the inactive HGH or peptide being used to temporarily elevate HGH serum levels. That is the gist of the theory anyway. I am sure others can elaborate on this much better than i can.

This is only for generic gh from China. Pharm grade gh is a whole different story, serum tests will be just fine with Pharm hgh.

IGF-1 testing (along w/ some mass specs) is by far the most accurate.

However, there are very good reasons to use blood serum testing.

You pituitary, assuming you are a healthy younger man, produces GH in bursts. This fact is common knowledge. Thus, endogenous GH is going to fluctuate markedly.

Conversely, IGF-1 is steadily and consistently elevated concomitantly with exogenous GH use.

Why do people use b serum? Hypothetically, lets say you have 100 kits coming in from China. 60 are on back-order IE have already been purchased in advanced. You simply do not have the time to wait 6 weeks for an IGF-1 test. You need to know now, preferably before your kits land from China.

That is why you need immediate data. Lets say you get a 17.3 ng lab result. That translates to the bottles being 8 iu's each. You can then be upfront about potency.

Now in regards to purity, that is a question that must be addressed via Mass specs.

Mass specs are expensive.

However, given all the shitty GH coming from China, as a consumer I would want to see both mass specs and b serum results before opening my wallet. Very few srcs have this data.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

IGF-1 testing (along w/ some mass specs) is by far the most accurate.

However, there are very good reasons to use blood serum testing.

You pituitary, assuming you are a healthy younger man, produces GH in bursts. This fact is common knowledge. Thus, endogenous GH is going to fluctuate markedly.

Conversely, IGF-1 is steadily and consistently elevated concomitantly with exogenous GH use.

Why do people use b serum? Hypothetically, lets say you have 100 kits coming in from China. 60 are on back-order IE have already been purchased in advanced. You simply do not have the time to wait 6 weeks for an IGF-1 test. You need to know now, preferably before your kits land from China.

That is why you need immediate data. Lets say you get a 17.3 ng lab result. That translates to the bottles being 8 iu's each. You can then be upfront about potency.

Now in regards to purity, that is a question that must be addressed via Mass specs.

Mass specs are expensive.

However, given all the shitty GH coming from China, as a consumer I would want to see both mass specs and b serum results before opening my wallet. Very few srcs have this data.

So you have some cheap Chinese garbage GH you need to unload since getting kicked off Eroids, huh?

Not here, PC. Not ever.

 

[Pericles]

Actually, ever since the mass specs came in at 90% pure, I can't keep it in stock. I am not selling anything on this forum, or any other. Demand vastly exceeds supply.

The whole eroid debacle actually was amazing, everyone wants Gh that comes in @90% pure.

I was banned, yet I get tons of orders. People are smart, they know that mass specs for purity and B serum/IGF-1 for potency/bio-availability guarantee quality.

And, they know that the GH that was sent in was not a ringer, just a sample of what we had at that time. 17.3 b serum, and 90% pure.

We just got blood serum on the new batch, and it was 21.2. That means a full 10 iu's per bottle. I just got another pre order, and 70 kits are gone. The GH barely hit US shores today.

My post was for the OP and others who want to find quality Chinese GH. It is out there.

Customers need to start demanding lab results. Then and only then can they be assured of quality.