HGH Experience/Help.

[Sparky_332]

Thanks for the reply Dr. Jim and Johnny B. @ Dr. Jim, that is aledgedly the case. My source gets the Serostim from an AIDS patient and it is his prescription. He has, of course, scratched off any info from the script that would ID the patient. I suppose if it is counterfeit this would still be the case. My source can only get 2 kits per month and I can only re up then. The "format" of this seems legit but no telling without labs I guess. Is counterfeit Serostim super common?

 

[biggerben69]

It's only my opinion, but I don't believe there are many fakes when it comes to Serostim. I can say with a reasonable certainty that I've never seen or come across a fake serostim. They are out there in abundance. More in some areas. I'm in Palm Springs and also know guys in West Hollywood.
The population of gay men infected with HIV is large. I know a couple of guys that have been selling the 4 kits they get each month for more than 4 yrs. They are thinner now than they were but continue to get them.
Maybe these guys are the non responders I hear about? The guys sell all 4 kits one month and they will continue to sell all 4 because they count on that money. They buy speed. They are drug addicts.

I read the instagram guy say the kits aren't paid for because welfare covers it. Well, you good citizens paying taxes are footing the bill.
I believe he's right about the generics. Peptides, and yes, the grey tops replaced rips. HK confirmed this long ago. The are the best blend of peptides. I've only used serostim but the sides the generics give are from something.
Lastly, I've known Micro for a number of years. He gets no kick backs and does testing for the good of the community same as our own Dr Jim.
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I first met Micro on ab and the tests are not rigged. Peptides can do some things but they aren't serostim.

 

[Dr JIM]

Thanks for the reply Dr. Jim and Johnny B. @ Dr. Jim, that is aledgedly the case. My source gets the Serostim from an AIDS patient and it is his prescription. He has, of course, scratched off any info from the script that would ID the patient. I suppose if it is counterfeit this would still be the case. My source can only get 2 kits per month and I can only re up then. The "format" of this seems legit but no telling without labs I guess. Is counterfeit Serostim super common?

If you'd like PM me the RX and I'll give you my opinion.

 

[BigPharma]

It's only my opinion, but I don't believe there are many fakes when it comes to Serostim. I can say with a reasonable certainty that I've never seen or come across a fake serostim. They are out there in abundance. More in some areas. I'm in Palm Springs and also know guys in West Hollywood.
The population of gay men infected with HIV is large. I know a couple of guys that have been selling the 4 kits they get each month for more than 4 yrs. They are thinner now than they were but continue to get them.
Maybe these guys are the non responders I hear about? The guys sell all 4 kits one month and they will continue to sell all 4 because they count on that money. They buy speed. They are drug addicts.

I read the instagram guy say the kits aren't paid for because welfare covers it. Well, you good citizens paying taxes are footing the bill.
I believe he's right about the generics. Peptides, and yes, the grey tops replaced rips. HK confirmed this long ago. The are the best blend of peptides. I've only used serostim but the sides the generics give are from something.
Lastly, I've known Micro for a number of years. He gets no kick backs and does testing for the good of the community same as our own Dr Jim.
I
I first met Micro on ab and the tests are not rigged. Peptides can do some things but they aren't serostim.

So what does it mean in the greys replaced the rips? Are the greys good or what? I am investing in them and noticing sides and good results, but am not paying for peps, i am paying for hgh?

 

[biggerben69]

I cant be sure, and actually, I have just my speculative imagination as far as what makes up generic gh.
Riptropins had been one of the most, if not the most popular generic gh while it was available. At the end, I think it was meangreen that was selling fake rips that he was labeling as such. Guys I know who used generics liked rips as they were the most consistant in what results they gave.
The neg attributed to rips was water retention greater than the other generics.
The 2 most respected suppliers of rips were homer and the provider. The are respected because if you Sent $$ u got your kits. They both were the only official suppliers of the rips. Others could get from them and resell but if the rips didn't originate from either one of these guys you were taking your chances.
These 2 said Grey's were going to replace rips and sure enough they came.
If the peptides are quality you will get results. It's my thought that the best blend of quality Peptides are what give the Grey's their gas.

 

[Dr JIM]

Shit after all you are BIG BEN and people would have be F...ing fools to sell you BUNK ANYTHING mate!

I've only tested TWO Sero's to date, and one most certainly was NOT GH.

People need to try to understand VERY FEW of the generics on the market pass scrutiny as being legit rHGH. Fact is I've not found even one to date!

As BB seems to be suggesting, although some may achieve gains using PEPs, quantifying those benefits when other PEDs are being cycled approaches the impossible absent evidence based data, which is next to non-existent.

Additionally there should be no doubt some of the side effects of generic GH can be attributed to "protein mediated allergic reactions".

Similar adverse effects were also observed with Somatrem, a pharmaceutical rHGH with 192 (rather than 191 AA).

More importantly a reduction in efficacy was noted with continued use, the latter being the most likely reason Somatrem was removed from the market.

So there is a reasonable chance even if a combination of PEPs did result in measurable gains, the effectiveness may wane over time.

What does this mean? Oh crap guys I really don't know, but IMO, until I or someone locates a generic product that even approximates the benefits of Ph grade GH, absent the side effects, I'd suggest the use of Ph grade GH exclusively.

To that end, those that "can't afford" pharmaceutical rHGH, are better off focusing on PEDs proven effective. (I honestly believe the overwhelming MAJORITY of those using GH substitutes are just being scammed!)

 

[Sparky_332]

If you'd like PM me the RX and I'll give you my opinion.

I burned the packaging it came in rather than throw it in the trash. When I get my next kit early next month I will gratefully accept your offer. Photos, RX info, serial numbers, the whole nine yards. I'm kicking myself for torching the damned box it came in! I can send photos of the remaining six vials and the (formerly) sealed plastic cradle they come in. I also still have all seven vials of the sterile water included in the kit if those items will help? Even if they will not, thank you for the kind offer. I truely appreciate the feedback and willingness to help. I lurked around this site for weeks before joining and I know how well respected you are. It means a great deal to me that you would take time to spoon feed a noob like me. Thank you again.

 

[antipcman]

Reading this thread is what reaffirms my apprehension toward HGH.

 

[biggerben69]

If guys are under 32yrs of age I'd save the cash and buy more tren and masteron. GH when guys are a bit older....UNLESS you are competing. Then shoot the works.
Also....if you're running Serostim and you're not complementing it with T4 and slin you're short changing yourself.
I'd also add that whatever your max dose of testosterone was without GH that you double that test and hopefully that dose would be 2 grams/ew.
I trust the Doc when he says he tested seros and 1 of the 2 were fake. I would imagine the further you get away from hot spots(large hiv population) the more likely the fake seros will be seen. There are just so many real kits around it doesn't make much sense and they would be easier to spot.

 

[muscle96ss]

WOW, a lot of misinformation in this thread. First off, my background for those that don't know me too well over here. I have been using GH since the early to mid-90's and have used a shitload of Serostim as well as other pharm brands over the years. I have also used a shitload of generics. I have also done a shitload of serum tests and IGF-1 tests over the years(For those interested, I have all my results documented in RP's "HGH Testing" thread over at PM. A lot of others have their results there too.).

Anyway, I agree that it is hit and miss with the generic GH market if you don't know what you are doing. As with any market, there are a lot of fakes, counterfeits, etc.. out there. There also are some legit GH's being manufactured by legit GH manufacturing plants. The legit GH's such as the grey tops contain real GH and not some special secret peptide that acts like GH. In fact I challenge anyone to show me a single peptide that will cause a serum test to score the 20' or 30' at 3 hours post injection. Good luck, because there isn't one. There have been numerous serum and IGF-1 tests done on the grey tops and they have all been excellent as well as people have had excellent results.

Lastly, as I mentioned before, I have taken a shitload of pharm GH(mostly serostim) and a shitload of generics. My bloodwork on serum tests, IGF-1 results, and real world results have been similar with pharm grade GH in comparison with quality generic GH. And it only makes sense as 10iu of GH = 10iu of GH. Once the GH is in your blood, it doesn't know the difference between pharm and generic.

 

[Dr JIM]

^^^^ I don't care if your a noob or Arnie if you treat people with respect (rather than attempting to convince others you "know your shit") you'll discover most mates will return the favor.

 

[musclehead320]

I recently purchased a few Serostim kits from my source. They apper legit and I'm "not pregnant" so at least its not HCG. The kits did have the prescription on them with any identifying info scratched out. The packaging seemed legit but I doubt that tells me anything. Are these still being counterfeited with HCG or have they come up with a new tactic? How common is fake Serostim? I am only 3 days in to this cycle so it could be weeks before I notice the effects. This seemed like a good thread to ask this as Dr. J and many others seem to have quite a bit of experience with this.

this how I get them same way with the script kinda scratched off and the serial numbers scratched off. I'm sure they can still be faked like this.I luckily get them from few aids patiences.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

this how I get them same way with the script kinda scratched off and the serial numbers scratched off. I'm sure they can still be faked like this.I luckily get them from few aids patiences.

Yea, we know... You've mentioned you get them straight from aids "patiences" several times. You selling, man?? Certainly seems like you're fishing for PMs now that you're posting pics of your stash.. How much are you selling them for??

 

[musclehead320]

Yea, we know... You've mentioned you get them straight from aids "patiences" several times. You selling, man?? Certainly seems like you're fishing for PMs now that you're posting pics of your stash.. How much are you selling them for??

I was posting them so he can compare his to see if his look similar. I don't sell. Was just trying to help the guy out. Should known you would have something to say.seems like your on top of everything on this meso.remind me of those neighbors who peek out the windows.wating to see something they can be nosey about. Your new name is johnny 2 cents. Every thread on meso johnny has his 2 cents to throw in.

 

[brutus79]

@johnnyBALLZ you and Brutus79 are who I got the idea of doing it all before bed from. I glad you posted because I wad thinking about going that route. It makes sense to me to do it all before bed. Seems like it would help with the sides.

Good call man. I feel like the night dose after an hour or two fasting let's it sit in my system and really pump up my levels. Mands and jb both do it that way and I couldn't argue with their results. I think they both take the t4 in the evening too but I take it in the am.

Alright I just pinned 4iu of the Grey top. I'm gonna give the whole dose before bed a shot. I work 2 jobs and train 6 days per week. I really can't afford to be lethargic during the day, so I think this will work out for me. I'm open for suggestions though.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

I was posting them so he can compare his to see if his look similar. I don't sell. Was just trying to help the guy out. Should known you would have something to say.seems like your on top of everything on this meso.remind me of those neighbors who peek out the windows.wating to see something they can be nosey about. Your new name is johnny 2 cents. Every thread on meso johnny has his 2 cents to throw in.

Haha, ok just checking.. Always looking for a good kit.

You're just the bragging type though which I kinda guessed. Every other post of yours is about getting these kits from aids "patiences". Good for you man, good for you...

 

[antipcman]

I was posting them so he can compare his to see if his look similar. I don't sell. Was just trying to help the guy out. Should known you would have something to say.seems like your on top of everything on this meso.remind me of those neighbors who peek out the windows.wating to see something they can be nosey about. Your new name is johnny 2 cents. Every thread on meso johnny has his 2 cents to throw in.

They've also uncovered 100s of scammers on this board; which most newcomers of this board appreciate... Just my "2 cents"

 

[antipcman]

Good call man. I feel like the night dose after an hour or two fasting let's it sit in my system and really pump up my levels. Mands and jb both do it that way and I couldn't argue with their results. I think they both take the t4 in the evening too but I take it in the am.

Why T4 over T3?

 

[brutus79]

hey bro just wondering if you have any testing to prove the greys are peps. usually when people make bold statements id love to see test and bloodwork. A respected member named Micro on several boards has done both igf and serum tests for the greys and results have been nonetheless impressive. if you say theyre Peps wheres the proof?

I have testing. I ran rips for months. I ran seros for months. I ran peptides for months (ghrh ghrp stacks). Rips are exactly like peptides. Seros are totally fucking different. No comparison. You asking for testing is ridiculous to me- it's like the difference between eq and tren. No comparison. Don't believe me because you want to believe your generics are real? Try running serostim and see me after after a few months.

 

[musclehead320]

Haha, ok just checking.. Always looking for a good kit.

You're just the bragging type though which I kinda guessed. Every other post of yours is about getting these kits from aids "patiences". Good for you man, good for you...

Hey did I mention I get these from aids patiences. I wasant bragging I was just actually resaying it in case he didn't read it before so he new they came from a legit place so if his looked similar he could compare. Hey Did I mention I get those from aids a patients.