hey everybody

[hf85205]

I’m new here. I found this forum while looking for information about steroids, and it really seems like a whole world of its own. I competed in bodybuilding a few years ago, and I’m interested in competing again.
I’m natural — at least for now. However, I’m considering trying my first cycle and I’m trying to find a reliable manufacturer. I’m hoping to get some help here with that, as well as advice on what would be good to use for a first cycle.

 

[Billbo98]

What’s your stats man. Goals? Accomplishments?

 

[Elektrobot]

trying to find a reliable manufacturer.

Don't buy anything until you've learned the difference between a UGL that actually brews, Chinese oil resellers and pharma india- and decided which aligns best with your needs and risk tolerance.

as well as advice on what would be good to use for a first cycle

First cycle is test only, with an AI if needed. Depending on your age you might consider HGH for the rest of your life.

What's your age, height, weight, bodyfat%, training program, food plan, goals.... ?

 

[hf85205]

What’s your stats man. Goals? Accomplishments?

I competed in Men’s Physique six years ago (Finnish Championships, Nordic Fitness Expo). If I remember correctly, I placed 8th. My goal is to gain more muscle mass, and I may not necessarily compete in Men’s Physique again — the category will depend on how I’m able to develop my physique.

 

[hf85205]

Don't buy anything until you've learned the difference between a UGL that actually brews, Chinese oil resellers and pharma india- and decided which aligns best with your needs and risk tolerance.




First cycle is test only, with an AI if needed. Depending on your age you might consider HGH for the rest of your life.

What's your age, height, weight, bodyfat%, training program, food plan, goals.... ?

Thank you for your interest in me. I am 45 years old, 173 cm tall, and weigh 78.8 kg (morning weight on February 13, 2026), with approximately 14–16% body fat.

I follow a push–pull–legs program, prioritizing glutes and arms. My current calorie intake is around 3100 kcal per day.

My long-term goal is to build muscle mass. However, I will begin a cutting phase in March, and my plan was to start my first cycle during the cut (with the goal of maintaining muscle). I currently have testosterone enanthate and Primobolan (purchased within Finland).

However, would you recommend using only testosterone? I value your opinion. I could save the Primobolan for a potential next cycle — what are your thoughts on that?

Also, why do you recommend using HGH for life?

And one more question — can you recommend any reliable manufacturers in Europe?

 

[Elektrobot]

However, would you recommend using only testosterone?

You said you are currently natural , so I'm going to write this assuming that you do not have any long term data on how you respond to exogenous testosterone use or other anabolics.

The worst plan would be to go from totally natty- to blasting test and primo

I'm assuming you have the primo because you've heard advice to use it to control estrogen

But you don't even know how much you aromatize and if it's needed and / or would be effective for whatever e2 level you land at.

This isn't something where the universe has written a default plan and everyone gets the same experience from doing the same thing

You have to get some experience under your belt and understand one thing at a time or you will just end up an unhealthy mess with all the side effects and none of the benefits.

If you have never used exogenous test.... start at trt levels

Go get your natty bloodwork done. Lots of info in the serum blood testing forum about what tests to order. At the very minimum, get as many general health biomarkers checked as you can, lipid panel, all that stuff.

For pre-testosterone use, at a minimum get: Total test, Free test shbg, dht, estradiol (LC/MS method, not Immunoassay), CBC

For pre-hgh use, at a minimum get: IGF-1, a1c, insulin, and cystatin c to make sure your kidneys aren't already impaired.

I say to use HGH for life because it is not beneficial to cycle it. It takes at least 6 months to start getting any benefit from it. Its the kind of thing that you either use, or you don't. Using it off and on is nonsensical.

If you decide to start test after your bloodwork, realize for yourself that using exogenous testosterone is chemical castration. Your nuts will stop working. Do a lot of people get lucky waking them back up if they want kids or to stop using test every day? Yes. Does everyone get that luck? No

So go into it assuming that you are just gonna chop your balls off and be reliant on putting testosterone into your body from an outside source for the rest of your life.

Spend 4 months or so trying to find your max tolerable dose of testosterone without needing an ai

Because you likely aren't going into this already deficient- start at low trt levels. 75mg-100mg / week. It will take some time for your balls to die, so on that dose, your test and estrodial are going to shoot way up at the beginning because of having natural and exogenous testosterone at the same time. You will feel your balls shrivel up and fade away as they shut off. that's how you know it's working

Run it for 40 days. Get bloodwork checked again. See how much you aromatize. If you are getting gyno or other high e2 symptoms, reduce the dose and check again in 40 days.

If after some time at low trt levels you aren't crying when you see the clouds and you aren't growing breast tissue..... up it a little bit and see what happens.

Once you find the spot you can't 'run it without an ai.... you found your max tolerable dose.

And congratulations.... you just ran your first cycle. Hope you were training hard and eating right to take advantage of the elevated testosterone levels you had.

Now you have to decide if you are going to go all the way off test, PCT and try to wake your balls up

Or if you are just gonna be a lifer and "cruse".

Next cycle, start with what your max tolerable dose was last time, slowly ramp it up from there to like 300mg/week, and have the AI ready for when your nips start getting sensitive. BUT, don't dose your AI according to feels only. Bloodwork is what drives drug decisions.

So there you go. 2 first cycles, plus maybe hgh