900 IU HCG every 72 hours. T = 600, E2 = 20
For six consecutive months out of a year I add an injection of 20 IU FSH (Gonal-F) along with the HCG. Then go back to HCG only for another six months.
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900 IU HCG every 72 hours. T = 600, E2 = 20
For six consecutive months out of a year I add an injection of 20 IU FSH (Gonal-F) along with the HCG. Then go back to HCG only for another six months.
OK from what I remember you were previously using test plus hCG, right?
How is your E2 so low on 900iu hCG every 3 days? Are you taking anything to control it?
I have used T with HCG (THIS is when there are THREE sources of T to feed E2 production!) but I like HCG only a lot more.
A long time ago I tried a few different shot spacings:
eod - Had a good T level, but E2 went out of control. No interest in an AI as it only INCREASES the chance of never finding a sweet spot. To many knobs to adjust, ya know?
e4D - E2 was no problem, but my sexual ability was not good. Trough day sucked.
I found e3D to be best. Since then (around 2014/2015) all I do is track my T level, watch for testicle shrinkage (which was taking place ever since I first went on HCG only in 2010). I've been adding in FSH since 2015. At first, I did it all the time along with HCG. Then I tried an every six month run with it and that seems to work. If, at the end of six months on HCG only, I don't see any shrinkage, I will delay adding it - because its so fucking expensive! - but sooner or later I need to bring it back.
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One thing more...
I was 50 years old in 2010 and 500 IU HCG eod had my T in the 600s.
I'm 62 now, and it takes more HCG at the lower injection frequency to get me to 600.
But younger men can apply the same strategy I used to dial it in when on HCG only - try different shot spacings.
I was 50 years old in 2010 and 500 IU HCG eod had my T in the 600s.
I'm 62 now, and it takes more HCG at the lower injection frequency to get me to 600.
But younger men can apply the same strategy I used to dial it in when on HCG only - try different shot spacings.
Very interesting, thanks!
Yes now I remember the addition of T was the 3rd source of E2
Have you ever considered using Enclomiphene instead in place of HMG?
I've read a few reports from guys on low dose HCG e.g. 250iu eod plus 25mg/day enclomiphene who have been able to maintain both their T and LH near top of reference range.
My HCG regimen is to start out with 1500 iu twice a week for 3 weeks then drop to 250iu twice a week for a maintenance dose. Sometimes testicles are larger, sometimes they’re smaller on the maintenance dose. I use this same protocol during trt or a blast. I only do the large beginning doses if, for some reason, I’ve been off HCG a while and my testicles have shrunk back up again. If I don’t start with the larger doses, it seems like my testicles never really increase to the size they should be
No. Btw, I'm on TRT and not a PCT person.
The very first TRT protocol I used was clomid - 25 mg eod.
That worked for about 18 months before my T level started dropping. So there is something wrong on the GNRH/LH pathway - a problem with the hypothalamus and/or pituitary.
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You don't have to be a PCT person to take enclomiphene.
A lot of guys are using it in place of Clomid so they can avoid zuclomiphene's estrogen related side effects.
Taking HCG suppresses endogenous LH, but if you take enclomiphene along with it, LH can be maintained in the high normal range and you can reduce your HCG dose.
