picholas
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Nah, and I like striker fired guns. Sig is my favorite. Looking at FN next. Glock failed to impress me.
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BigNattyDaddy
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Shotgun for home defense. Odds of you having to use it during a home invasion are slim, unless you live in Chicago.
Sdryx
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I would like to point out that this statement is false... legally.
It is a natural assumption that you can make that if someone breaks into your home, you can assume they mean you harm. You don't need to wait for anything to happen.
Now that doesn't mean you can hold them hostage and execute them... However, I would explain to LE about being surprised by an intruder when I unloaded a whole magazine in their ass with gun. In fact... I wouldn't even tell the police anything. I would tell this to my lawyer and my lawyer will explain this to the police.
Important to note: NEVER use a class III weapon for self defense OR any kind of personally manipulated/altered ammunition... EVER. You will not win that battle and will get the manslaughter charge due to the situation being argued that you acted past self defense in utilizing such an "advanced" weapon that it will be unusual and cruel... even if the guy was seriously bad and already hurt someone inside your dwelling.
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Sdryx
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Castle law isn't required to defend your home. Castle law makes it so that it can never even be a question that can be raised against you... like insurance so to say. You always have the right to defend yourself without castle law and can argue that right pretty well in your home when there is evidence of an intruder breaking into your home. It is a natural right in the constitution. You don't need a gun permit to keep a weapon in your home. Only to carry it or to conceal it.
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Sdryx
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You guys worried about in home defense and hearing loss...
Grab yourselves a pair of Peltor "Sport Tac" electronic hearing protection. It digitally blocks ONLY the firing of a weapon and allows normal sounds, including whispers, to pass through like normal. I keep a pair next to the rifle that I sleep with. It actually works well enough to ENHANCE my hearing like a hearing aid.
Grab yourselves a pair of Peltor "Sport Tac" electronic hearing protection. It digitally blocks ONLY the firing of a weapon and allows normal sounds, including whispers, to pass through like normal. I keep a pair next to the rifle that I sleep with. It actually works well enough to ENHANCE my hearing like a hearing aid.
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Sdryx
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Also to note... once you discharge your firearm and there is a deceased body in your home... You should expect for your home to be searched THOROUGHLY, every person in your home interviewed separately and privately, computers taken from your possession for forensic investigation, your clothes taken for forensic investigation(literally everything except for undies), each and every firearm from your home will be taken for forensic investigation, every member of your home will be photographed from head to toe / front and back, every member of your household will have their fingers tested for gunpowder, your vehicle searched, your phone taken for forensic investigation, and even the perps bank records will be reviewed in full and your neighbors will all be interviewed.
You will likely get your stuff back after a couple months, however, you will NEVER see your clothes or your firearm that was discharged ever again...
Did I mention the police only take the body? Good luck cleaning up the brains splattered on the wall. And do you know what a gallon of blood looks like? HAHA. Your wife aint cleaning that shit up. That and coming back into your home with numbered evidence stickers still plastered everywhere for you to remove... Plan on moving to a new house because your family will NEVER SLEEP in that home again... ever.
Don't ask me how I know... Just hope you never have to learn this stuff as well. Owning a gun is easy. Using it is dead fuckin serious. If you own it, you should be prepared to use it, mentally.
You will likely get your stuff back after a couple months, however, you will NEVER see your clothes or your firearm that was discharged ever again...
Did I mention the police only take the body? Good luck cleaning up the brains splattered on the wall. And do you know what a gallon of blood looks like? HAHA. Your wife aint cleaning that shit up. That and coming back into your home with numbered evidence stickers still plastered everywhere for you to remove... Plan on moving to a new house because your family will NEVER SLEEP in that home again... ever.
Don't ask me how I know... Just hope you never have to learn this stuff as well. Owning a gun is easy. Using it is dead fuckin serious. If you own it, you should be prepared to use it, mentally.
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Sparkyp
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I hear you bro. I don’t live in a southern state. I live in the most liberal area. Many law abiding citizens that hold a firearm license have done prison time for shooting an intruder that had a knife. The courts decided the homeowners life was truly not endangered.
In this area you have to prove that your life is absolutely endangered which means you have already been shot or stabbed before firing a shot. No bullshit
This ain’t Alabama where you can just start blasting
Sdryx
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Very true what you say. However, I believe that is the exception, not the norm or the average state's view. But unfortunately it's true, you always have to worry about repercussions, even if it was a righteous shot... a small price to pay for saving a life, though a price to pay still...
Knowing "how" to describe a deadly force situation to the police can make all the difference in your freedom. In fact, you shouldn't be talking to the police period if you used deadly force. Your lawyer should be the only one saying a word to anyone, if you value your freedom. Here's something to think about... time distortion under extreme stress is real and you will never notice because you brain runs differently in the deadly situation. It's impossible to notice time distortion in the moment. Not until you review timestamped references of the event after the fact and realise that time did not pass anything at all like how you FELT it. The gunshots that were 60 seconds apart to you were really only 10-15 seconds apart to all 3 of your neighbor's signed statements... Good luck explaining that without a forensic psychologist testifying in court on your behalf. Rule of thumb... don't give time references when detailing the situation and don't make a statement within 24-48 hours of the event. Make the statement once you have a CLEAR HEAD. You will be fucked up... likely for life, let alone the day or two afterwards where you are NOT yourself. The police don't even give statements when discharging their firearm in the use of duty within 24 hours for this exact reason.
Buy these books and watch this video. If you own a firearm and have a family... do this for THEM! This is for your freedom after you saved a life.
Like I said, owning a gun is easy... using it, is serious fucking shit that will change your life forever. Most people never REALLY prepare for using it when they bought it just for that reason.
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JackSmooth
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All this info is much appreciate. Fortunantly I don’t live in a liberal area where you can be locked up for protecting your family but this info is still of great value.
Sparkyp
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If I felt I was endangered I think I would shoot. Hard to know. I’m not a trained officer or military so idk how I would react in a stressful situation.
My brother in law got put on probation for 3 years and had to revoke his gun license when one of his neighbors started pounding on his front door with a baseball bat over a dispute. The neighbor cane onto my brother in laws property with a bat and was pounding on the door.
My brother in law simply pulled his gun out and kept it pointed at the floor simply as a scare tactic to get the neighbors to leave. It worked but the neighbor pressed charges and my brother in law got arrested and charged.
Unfortunately this is where we live. If you ask me, showing the firearm served it’s purpose. It scared the intruder and diffused the situation. But it don’t work like that in this area.
So the advise you give is good but contingent on where you reside.
My brother in law got put on probation for 3 years and had to revoke his gun license when one of his neighbors started pounding on his front door with a baseball bat over a dispute. The neighbor cane onto my brother in laws property with a bat and was pounding on the door.
My brother in law simply pulled his gun out and kept it pointed at the floor simply as a scare tactic to get the neighbors to leave. It worked but the neighbor pressed charges and my brother in law got arrested and charged.
Unfortunately this is where we live. If you ask me, showing the firearm served it’s purpose. It scared the intruder and diffused the situation. But it don’t work like that in this area.
So the advise you give is good but contingent on where you reside.
Sdryx
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Not exactly... which is why you need to educate yourself.
Let’s analyze the non life-threatening situation which your brother in law pulled a life taking tool on for instance... you don’t pull out a gun unless you intend on someone DYING. That’s what it’s for. Nothing else. Not to scare people, not for intimidation, not to serve a purpose by “branding.” If it gets pulled out... it’s because you have already decided that you have no other choice but to end a human life.
Why on earth did your brother in law create a life threatening situation by OPENING THE DOOR? That door is a pretty solid device which makes the entire situation not a deadly threat. Like me pointing a knife at you while you are on the other side of the street. You can’t just shoot me or pull a gun on me and you shouldn’t run to my side of the street if you see me pointing a knife at you. There was no immediate danger. Sure it looks scary but it’s not an “immediate danger of crippling injury”. So no gun should have been pulled and certainly he should not have opened the door as HE created the deadly situation running head on into some crazy guy with a bat!
Can’t have an ego with a gun. It’s not natural this knowledge and yes it does need to be learned. You spent thousands on guns... why not a couple hundred on some books and a meeting with a lawyer in your county. Maybe another couple hundred in actual firearms training. Learn this shit people!
Now if the neighbor broke through that door with the bat, then it is INSTANTANEOUS shooting because THEN an immediate threat exists and it’s fair game. He dies and you walk free. Because only when that weapon has access to you, is a deadly threat imminent.
Learn this difference. Your freedom may depend on it.... trust me.
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picholas
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I do and with the way things are if someone broke in you don't shoot to disarm or incapacitate, you shoot to kill. Less likely to get a lawsuit that way after the fact. But like @Sdryx said it's all how you, through your lawyer describe the event to the police.
A dead assailant can't give a conflicting story.
master.on
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Are blowback guns less prone to jam since they have fewer moving parts?
I'm talking about pocket guns
i.e. a .380
I'm talking about pocket guns
i.e. a .380
South Central?
Sdryx
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If anyone wants a copy of this, PM me and I’ll be glad to send you a copy of the ebook I bought.
Also, watch the YouTube video I posted. It’s free and has AWESOME info.
Also, watch the YouTube video I posted. It’s free and has AWESOME info.
Rockclimber
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Really good advice in this thread. You guys are spot-on with everything. As far as the post above about brandishing a firearm in his house yes that is illegal in every state I'm pretty sure. In my state he could have put a couple rounds through the front door in fear of his life and most likely not have been charged by the DA. It's discretionary to a certain point with the DA but I've seen several examples in my state of people shooting through the door when they're in fear of their life and the police just come and collect the body.
Now someone like me with a vast weapon collection, a 500 meter gun range in my backyard and into bodybuilding... they might not let me get away with such "over use of force".
Now someone like me with a vast weapon collection, a 500 meter gun range in my backyard and into bodybuilding... they might not let me get away with such "over use of force".
Oldschool
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Great posts @Sdryx
Tons of gun owners have NO clue about the legalities in defending family and property.
Lots more to it than click,click,boom . Lots of folks think its no big deal but having to actually use your firearm on another person is a horrible thing to have to do and experience. Its not like the movies. Lol
Except statistically there are waaaaay more whites than blacks. So as a percentage of the population, blacks are shot dead more - as a % of the population. That’s very significant
Oldschool
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FOR THE MOST PART,,,
Sorry stupid low life fuckers get shot. Color makes no difference in my opinion.
