Growth from 18iu GH worth the price?

[william23kelly]

Yea I’ve seen you in my gym I believe we have the same friends. You look pro material for sure especially not running gh yet you literally look like you’ve been on gh and slin with how your muscle bellies fill out in person brother. Can’t wait to see what you mutate into. You have the genetics for it 100% I’m excited. Come to pm&f more often!

Thanks a lot man! Really appreciate that. We probably do. I haven't been to pure in a minute since my show. Shoot me a follow on IG if you want so I can put a face to the name lol

That gym humbles me so much. Here in NF at my gym I am usually the largest fella. Where as at Pure I felt like a small fry talking to Quinton or Skylar or I recall seeing that Justin Something bber and pictures do not justice until you realize the size of these guys in person lol. There is levels to this shit

 

[BatmanVAR]

Speaking of broke lol. I’m curious what you as a big competitor spend per year on AAS and GH? You’re a pretty big dude, I’d imagine food cost Is the most for you.

How much would a full off season cycle cost for you?

I was kinda weighing the pros and cons and came to the conclusion that I am willing to spend $2500 per year for 18iu per day GH lol. Why the heck is my life revolving around bodybuilding if I’m shy about spending $2500 a year on GH? I’m being a greedy jew

A high level competitor I was talking to was giving me some advice regarding PEDs and he told me based off my current progress he believes I’ll be competitive at the national level in the next 1-2 years so that gives me a lot of hope.

I want to be a top level pro more than anything

As an actual Jew, I can confirm that you're being a greedy Jew

 

[mrsloppyboo]

I used to make less than that in a western country too, things can change if you believe they can and you set your mind to it though.

Oh I know it brother. I work like 10-15 hours per week.

I’m making a serious attempt and a pro card as fast and as safely as I can get it

 

[xrayphoton13]

This is defined as projection brother. I had friends growing up who were gifted in school and they excelled easily and effortlessly. This happens. One of martins old professors from pharm school literally just recently left a comment on his social media praising his success. Martin literally was working in a pharmacy at one point as an intern. Winstrol does thin the skin. What do you struggle to grasp about it all? You claim he doesn't "sound educated" but we all know the guys who make an effort to sound educated ( todd lee, mike israetel ) are really the last guys you want to take advice from.

If all of this was BS like you imply, I would find that very impressive for him to just pull out of thin hair and make up on a podcast

Idk not tryna ride the guys dick but some of you guys here are straight up bodybuilder haters lol I feel obligated to defend.

Meh, I'm not a hater. I'm subscribed to his YouTube channel. I was the same in school. everyone thought I didn't study and wondered how I still aced everything. And yeah I guess sounding educated in the fitness space doesn't mean much at the moment bc your examples are also ignorant aholes and we shouldn't listen to them. Mike's PhD thesis is a joke and Todd got his degree offshore I think? Never actually worked in a hospital was what I heard. I meant moreso that he doesn't talk like Lyle McDonald or Type-IIx, or Dave crossland. All guys I think are great at giving info and then explaining it in a way most can understand. I didn't say winstrol does or doesn't thin the skin. Martin set himself up to explain why it does that by mentioning that his background in pharmacy helps him understand why but then he just moved on to another topic instead of sharing that knowledge with the audience/interviewer. Makes it seem like he couldn't actually explain why regardless of if he could or not.

 

[william23kelly]

Meh, I'm not a hater. I'm subscribed to his YouTube channel. I was the same in school. everyone thought I didn't study and wondered how I still aced everything. And yeah I guess sounding educated in the fitness space doesn't mean much at the moment bc your examples are also ignorant aholes and we shouldn't listen to them. Mike's PhD thesis is a joke and Todd got his degree offshore I think? Never actually worked in a hospital was what I heard. I meant moreso that he doesn't talk like Lyle McDonald or Type-IIx, or Dave crossland. All guys I think are great at giving info and then explaining it in a way most can understand. I didn't say winstrol does or doesn't thin the skin. Martin set himself up to explain why it does that by mentioning that his background in pharmacy helps him understand why but then he just moved on to another topic instead of sharing that knowledge with the audience/interviewer. Makes it seem like he couldn't actually explain why regardless of if he could or not.

Ah I hear what you're saying. I agree

 

[Maiandros88]

You lack intelligence my friend. You have no actual knowledge or experience in what we're discussing. It's clear to anyone reading this thread.
Legs are the priotiy this off season already made improvement in size. My conditioning was spot on 100%

I will totally agree with you buddy, I never used over 750mg test and more than 6 iu of HGH for getting on stage, many others used double and always getting lower places than me, my good friend that’s now IFBB pro used same amount of gear with me and same brand, so it’s not everything in gear, plays huge role yes i agree but not the crazy dosages that I see in every forum and here of course

 

[mrsloppyboo]

I will totally agree with you buddy, I never used over 750mg test and more than 6 iu of HGH for getting on stage, many others used double and always getting lower places than me, my good friend that’s now IFBB pro used same amount of gear with me and same brand, so it’s not everything in gear, plays huge role yes i agree but not the crazy dosages that I see in every forum and here of course

Damn! Looking wicked bro good stuff. I know a few pros personally. I haven’t heard any of them running as low as 750 test 6iu GH but if you can get away with that then more power to you!

Generally (from what I’ve been told) what a lot of guys say is true. 2-3 grams in an off season is pretty average for them. Some guys going in the 1-2 gram range and some going in the 4-6g range, but those being outliers. Kurt Havens talks on this as well

One thing that a friend of mine says (325lbs IFBB pro) that I find to stand out is the sheer amount of HGH he uses. It seems that a lot of the bigger dudes leverage a lot more GH and insulin while keeping the anabolics in a reasonable range. This guy stated to me that he’s never gone above 3g of anabolics which in all honesty is insanely hard to believe given the timeframe in which he acquired his size (very quickly) and I wouldn’t doubt if he lied to me just due to me being young and not wanting to encourage pushing the doses. Either way, that gives me a pretty good general idea of what pros are using

I think what a lot of it comes down to is timeframe. Can you reach mass monster size running reasonable cycles in the 2-3g range? For sure. Will you reach that size much faster if you up the doses? In my experience 100% more gear is more gains (I have not hit a point of diminishing returns yet) but obviously more health risk

Not advocating for super high gear use btw just sharing my personal experience lol

 

[Maiandros88]

Damn! Looking wicked bro good stuff. I know a few pros personally. I haven’t heard any of them running as low as 750 test 6iu GH but if you can get away with that then more power to you!

Generally (from what I’ve been told) what a lot of guys say is true. 2-3 grams in an off season is pretty average for them. Some guys going in the 1-2 gram range and some going in the 4-6g range, but those being outliers. Kurt Havens talks on this as well

One thing that a friend of mine says (325lbs IFBB pro) that I find to stand out is the sheer amount of HGH he uses. It seems that a lot of the bigger dudes leverage a lot more GH and insulin while keeping the anabolics in a reasonable range. This guy stated to me that he’s never gone above 3g of anabolics which in all honesty is insanely hard to believe given the timeframe in which he acquired his size (very quickly) and I wouldn’t doubt if he lied to me just due to me being young and not wanting to encourage pushing the doses. Either way, that gives me a pretty good general idea of what pros are using

I think what a lot of it comes down to is timeframe. Can you reach mass monster size running reasonable cycles in the 2-3g range? For sure. Will you reach that size much faster if you up the doses? In my experience 100% more gear is more gains (I have not hit a point of diminishing returns yet) but obviously more health risk

Not advocating for super high gear use btw just sharing my personal experience lol

For sure the mass monsters we see at top level of Mr O getting more than a gram of test, more than 8 iu Hgh and more Increlex and slin, but you don’t need 5grm of AAS and 20iu of Hgh to turn IFBB pro, that’s for sure here

 

[BlackVeil]

Thought Id see what 18iu/ed for a full year actually is,

$2,646 a year, if you buy the 360iu kits for $145, unless there is cheaper I don’t know about.
6,570 ius

 

[mrsloppyboo]

For sure the mass monsters we see at top level of Mr O getting more than a gram of test, more than 8 iu Hgh and more Increlex and slin, but you don’t need 5grm of AAS and 20iu of Hgh to turn IFBB pro, that’s for sure here

Oh absolutely lol. It would absolutely get you to that point faster but definitely not required. Personally I’d say it’s severely overkill lol. Especially since your body can only utilize a certain amount of AAS at a certain size

It interests me the new school vs old school approach to PEDs. If you look in r/steroids on Reddit even about 10 years ago you’ll see a pretty common trend of dudes running cycles of 2-4g and it was normal and nowadays dudes on Reddit call you retarded for running 500mg test If you’re not 220lbs on stage lmao.

Then now you have dudes like Chase Irons doing his 5g test 18iu Serostim experiment where he’s running like 7000 total mg and says that it’s not that uncommon of a thing and guys just don’t talk about it due to backlash.

Seems like everyone’s a little all over the place

 

[Maiandros88]

Thought Id see what 18iu/ed for a full year actually is,

$2,646 a year, if you buy the 360iu kits for $145, unless there is cheaper I don’t know about.
6,570 ius

For me personally, my total amount for gear and HGH per year will be 2.500 - 3.000€ max

 

[mrsloppyboo]

Thought Id see what 18iu/ed for a full year actually is,

$2,646 a year, if you buy the 360iu kits for $145, unless there is cheaper I don’t know about.
6,570 ius

About that yeah. Expensive but worth it imo. I have a buddy who claims to get .20 per IU. No idea where he’s getting that but I’m not touching that shit unless I see labs

 

[BlackVeil]

For me personally, my total amount for gear and HGH per year will be 2.500 - 3.000€ max

I don’t even wanna know my yearly spending, Im prolly at that in the last month alone. I dont look at prices anymore, more on wanting the best quality.

 

[mrsloppyboo]

I don’t even wanna know my yearly spending, Im prolly at that in the last month alone. I dont look at prices anymore, more on wanting the best quality.

Damn dude what kinda doses are you running to cost $2500 per month? $4k is around my entire yearly cost

 

[Maiandros88]

Oh absolutely lol. It would absolutely get you to that point faster but definitely not required. Personally I’d say it’s severely overkill lol. Especially since your body can only utilize a certain amount of AAS at a certain size

It interests me the new school vs old school approach to PEDs. If you look in r/steroids on Reddit even about 10 years ago you’ll see a pretty common trend of dudes running cycles of 2-4g and it was normal and nowadays dudes on Reddit call you retarded for running 500mg test If you’re not 220lbs on stage lmao.

Then now you have dudes like Chase Irons doing his 5g test 18iu Serostim experiment where he’s running like 7000 total mg and says that it’s not that uncommon of a thing and guys just don’t talk about it due to backlash.

Seems like everyone’s a little all over the place

I am not so old, 41 years old now … was competing from 19 junior level 22 years old back … one thing I can say for sure here, guys with Bostin Loyds approach was also back then and we was competing together also, now those guys has all health issues and some it’s not here with us, some was turned pro and with kidney failure from 35 years old … so everything also is on choices we do, everybody risks at competition levels, but some plays more smart that’s all I think in the end

 

[mrsloppyboo]

I am not so old, 41 years old now … was competing from 19 junior level 22 years old back … one thing I can say for sure here, guys with Bostin Loyds approach was also back then and we was competing together also, now those guys has all health issues and some it’s not here with us, some was turned pro and with kidney failure from 35 years old … so everything also is on choices we do, everybody risks at competition levels, but some plays more smart that’s all I think in the end

I think high doses can be done safely with blood work to make sure everything is okay. And also not running shit like orals and tren. Chase Irons got his bloods consistently and even on 5g of gear bloods weren’t bad at all.
Also I think it kinda depends what level you’re wanting to take things to and how much you’re willing risk.

I’m a pretty young fella and am pushing for a pro card. I’ll take the sport as far as my genetics allow me to. My entire life is revolving around this sport so I’m pushing pretty hard. Most would likely disapprove of what I am currently doing and that’s understandable. Just got an MRI of my heart. Bloods looking good. I’m in a good spot currently

starting next week doses are being pushed to 1800 test
1800 EQ
12IU ramped to 18iu GH +slin

 

[Maiandros88]

I think high doses can be done safely with blood work to make sure everything is okay. And also not running shit like orals and tren. Chase Irons got his bloods consistently and even on 5g of gear bloods weren’t bad at all.
Also I think it kinda depends what level you’re wanting to take things to and how much you’re willing risk.

I’m a pretty young fella and am pushing for a pro card. I’ll take the sport as far as my genetics allow me to. My entire life is revolving around this sport so I’m pushing pretty hard. Most would likely disapprove of what I am currently doing and that’s understandable. Just got an MRI of my heart. Bloods looking good. I’m in a good spot currently

starting next week doses are being pushed to 1800 test
1800 EQ
12IU ramped to 18iu GH +slin

First of all I wish you turn pro very soon, You know better than me what you need to do to get at that level, I never touch that amount of gear, I was never a genetic freak but 2 times end up second on NPC show, so as you can understand I was to close to get a pro with dosages that I was writing you and nothing fancy at all, just basic shit, hit training and heavy and always good diet and food choices, I will not regret everything I did back then and now, I hope everyone here be safe and healthy also and to everyone good luck to their goals

 

[mrsloppyboo]

Thanks man!

First of all I wish you turn pro very soon, You know better than me what you need to do to get at that level, I never touch that amount of gear, I was never a genetic freak but 2 times end up second on NPC show, so as you can understand I was to close to get a pro with dosages that I was writing you and nothing fancy at all, just basic shit, hit training and heavy and always good diet and food choices, I will not regret everything I did back then and now, I hope everyone here be safe and healthy also and to everyone good luck to their goals

Thanks man! How many years of blasting and cruising did it take for you to reach that level? You’re peeled and big

 

[Maiandros88]

Thanks man!

Thanks man! How many years of blasting and cruising did it take for you to reach that level? You’re peeled and big

Always blast for 12-15 weeks, pct 4-6 weeks, and getting on cutting phase then, never blast and cruising always take some time of everything of bulk phase and clear, it was taking me get at 115-117kg and competing at 108-110kg 5-6 years, I was first natural training for 5 straight years without touching AAS

 

[mrsloppyboo]

Always blast for 12-15 weeks, pct 4-6 weeks, and getting on cutting phase then, never blast and cruising always take some time of everything of bulk phase and clear, it was taking me get at 115-117kg and competing at 108-110kg 5-6 years, I was first natural training for 5 straight years without touching AAS

How tall are you? You look great in your pics brother, especially for 41