Getting into gear as a lifelong commitment

[FrenchToastKing]

Hey guys,

I’m 23 and have been lifting since I was 17. I started out as a really skinny, undernourished kid at around 100 lbs, but after years of training and a dirty bulk, I hit 253 lbs at my peak. I’ve since cut down a lot of the fat, though I still have some stubborn lower back fat left that I’m working on this year.

Right now I’m 173 cm (5’8”) and 189 lbs.

I’ve been looking into Chase Irons’ approach to getting on gear. The plan I had in mind is starting with 200 mg/week of Test E, then reassessing every 8 weeks to decide whether to increase the dose, and eventually adding in a DHT derivative.

The main reason I want to hop on is the quality-of-life improvements people often talk about—stronger erections, higher libido, consistent morning wood, more confidence, etc.—in addition to the obvious training benefits.

• Would 200 mg/week be a solid starting point to build from?
• I already have anastrozole and letrozole on hand, both dissolved in vodka for even dosing. How should I best approach AI use as a first-timer?
• My biggest concern is gyno, since it can throw off your entire look. As a newbie, I’m also aware that the other side effects are no joke, so I want to be cautious.

Any advice, suggestions, or experiences you can share would mean a lot.

Thanks in advance

 

[deuces_00]

Hey guys,

I’m 23 and have been lifting since I was 17. I started out as a really skinny, undernourished kid at around 100 lbs, but after years of training and a dirty bulk, I hit 253 lbs at my peak. I’ve since cut down a lot of the fat, though I still have some stubborn lower back fat left that I’m working on this year.

Right now I’m 173 cm (5’8”) and 189 lbs.

I’ve been looking into Chase Irons’ approach to getting on gear. The plan I had in mind is starting with 200 mg/week of Test E, then reassessing every 8 weeks to decide whether to increase the dose, and eventually adding in a DHT derivative.

The main reason I want to hop on is the quality-of-life improvements people often talk about—stronger erections, higher libido, consistent morning wood, more confidence, etc.—in addition to the obvious training benefits.

• Would 200 mg/week be a solid starting point to build from?
• I already have anastrozole and letrozole on hand, both dissolved in vodka for even dosing. How should I best approach AI use as a first-timer?
• My biggest concern is gyno, since it can throw off your entire look. As a newbie, I’m also aware that the other side effects are no joke, so I want to be cautious.

Any advice, suggestions, or experiences you can share would mean a lot.

Thanks in advance

Welcome!

Curious as to what your natural test levels are? As a 23 y/o if you have everything in check - diet, sleep, stresss, other substance use (like you should before considering exogenous hormones) - there should be no cases of impotence, weak erections, or a consistent lack of morning wood.

 

[FrenchToastKing]

Welcome!

Curious as to what your natural test levels are? As a 23 y/o if you have everything in check - diet, sleep, stresss, other substance use (like you should before considering exogenous hormones) - there should be no cases of impotence, weak erections, or a consistent lack of morning wood.

I'm not sure about that. I occasionally smoke. I don't drink a lot. Twice a year, maybe?

My sleep is not perfect for sure. I'm lucky if I get 6 hours/day throughout the week...

 

[s2kallday]

That was his point, you should get your levels tested before you hop on.

 

[MarkusLA]

That was his point, you should get your levels tested before you hop on.

This ^^^

I have heard a doctor say you don't want to think about steroids before 26 as your body is still developing.

You should IMO get labs (from good anti-aging type doctor) and see what you can tweak naturally. Your testes should be fully working at 23. Maybe thyroid or some other detail needs adjusting.

As someone on TRT for a long time and who really recommends it. I still recommend that only after the natural options have been exhausted.

 

[FrenchToastKing]

This ^^^
Your testes should be fully working at 23. Maybe thyroid or some other detail needs adjusting.

As someone on TRT for a long time and who really recommends it. I still recommend that only after the natural options have been exhausted.

I am diagnosed with hypothyroidism and I'm currently on 100 mcg of T4 per day

 

[MarkusLA]

For Thyroid, IMO, you should be looking at levels of Free T3, Free T4 and how you feel. Sometimes T4 only works (it did for me), sometimes you need T3 as well.

I have a buddy whose T level went from 300 to 800 by fixing thyroid and sleep.

You need to get complete labs to see where you are and what issues may be there. i.e. Could be your natural T level is 1000 or not, but full labs can guide.

 

[FrenchToastKing]

For Thyroid, IMO, you should be looking at levels of Free T3, Free T4 and how you feel. Sometimes T4 only works (it did for me), sometimes you need T3 as well.

I have a buddy whose T level went from 300 to 800 by fixing thyroid and sleep.

You need to get complete labs to see where you are and what issues may be there. i.e. Could be your natural T level is 1000 or not, but full labs can guide.

thank you, brother! I'll get labs.

 

[sub10when]

Sorry...dissolved in vodka?

 

[Rand]

Hello mr french toast

I think once someone gets on meso, there's no way i can really tell them what to do with their bodies

Besides, its just testosterone

I read some of your previous posts. You have been getting your bodyweight down. I guess that's a requirement before taking trt

After that first test only cycle, could you try nandrolone decanoate only for 6 weeks? I will be doing that as well.

Test e is not as perfect as it seems, but still safe when you stop. I am old man, just happened to find a cheap way to do trt from this forum.

I still have those testoviron amps from thailand. They're are like half the price of one trt session at the clinic. And the clinic doesn't even give hcg.

Also hgh restores my testes better than hcg. Fyi.

 

[s2kallday]

I've heard of it(tabs dissolved in liquor) but tbh I think it makes dosing more difficult and there's always some meds lost at the end.

I've always just taken my 1mg anastrazole/arimidex tabs and cut them into 1/8's

Feel any high e2 sides? Take a lil chunk. Usually only occurs when my doses are ramping up or down since I usually use mast/EQ to deal with my e2. Would never recommend having your AI "planned" for your first cycle, since you'll have no idea how the compounds will effect you.

 

[FrenchToastKing]

I've heard of it(tabs dissolved in liquor) but tbh I think it makes dosing more difficult and there's always some meds lost at the end.

I've always just taken my 1mg anastrazole/arimidex tabs and cut them into 1/8's

Feel any high e2 sides? Take a lil chunk. Usually only occurs when my doses are ramping up or down since I usually use mast/EQ to deal with my e2. Would never recommend having your AI "planned" for your first cycle, since you'll have no idea how the compounds will effect you.

Exactly. But when cutting the pills, the API wouldn't be equally distributed right? 1 mg is going to be like 10 grains of API. So...i went with dissolution. More accurate dosing.

But I can't be sure until I've tried it.

I'll keep it updated

 

[Elektrobot]

more confidence

I think you told on yourself

Don't look for confidence in drugs

 

[professionaldyel]

if you truly care about health wait until you're 25

If I could go back in time with what I know now I'd hop on ASAP.

1) use 250mg test for 3 months > reassess and pull bloods> bump to 300mg for 3 months > reassess pull bloods > and stay on 300mg for the remaining 6 months

2) use a total load of 400-500mg of PEDs ie 250 test 25mg of anavar or adrol for 3 months

I'm not impressive by any means due to lack of actually caring and coming completely off cold turkey for extended periods of time and quitting the life style but I did the standard reddit cycle of 500mg test and then PCTing - acne city, second cycle at the time in the wiki it said 500mg test 600mg eq - joints hurt thats about it. It was too much gear. The base of my physique was built from 250 test 200 primo along side of shitty nutrition but hard training - drugs work.

getting gyno with strictly test is obvious and isnt sneaky like tren/nand and obviously pinning ED **can** lessen estrogen conversion

 

[FrenchToastKing]

if you truly care about health wait until you're 25

If I could go back in time with what I know now I'd hop on ASAP.

1) use 250mg test for 3 months > reassess and pull bloods> bump to 300mg for 3 months > reassess pull bloods > and stay on 300mg for the remaining 6 months

2) use a total load of 400-500mg of PEDs ie 250 test 25mg of anavar or adrol for 3 months

I'm not impressive by any means due to lack of actually caring and coming completely off cold turkey for extended periods of time and quitting the life style but I did the standard reddit cycle of 500mg test and then PCTing - acne city, second cycle at the time in the wiki it said 500mg test 600mg eq - joints hurt thats about it. It was too much gear. The base of my physique was built from 250 test 200 primo along side of shitty nutrition but hard training - drugs work.

getting gyno with strictly test is obvious and isnt sneaky like tren/nand and obviously pinning ED **can** lessen estrogen conversion

Thank you so much for the detailed answer, brother.

I plan on cutting down to 180 or 170 and then throwing in some NPP—speculation, obviously.

Wdym mean by shitty nutrition? Just getting in enough protein and then free-balling carbs and fats?

I take most of my sets to absolute failure. I do cardio for 30 minutes every day at around 130-145 bpm.

 

[ve79]

Hey guys,

I’m 23 and have been lifting since I was 17. I started out as a really skinny, undernourished kid at around 100 lbs, but after years of training and a dirty bulk, I hit 253 lbs at my peak. I’ve since cut down a lot of the fat, though I still have some stubborn lower back fat left that I’m working on this year.

Right now I’m 173 cm (5’8”) and 189 lbs.

I’ve been looking into Chase Irons’ approach to getting on gear. The plan I had in mind is starting with 200 mg/week of Test E, then reassessing every 8 weeks to decide whether to increase the dose, and eventually adding in a DHT derivative.

The main reason I want to hop on is the quality-of-life improvements people often talk about—stronger erections, higher libido, consistent morning wood, more confidence, etc.—in addition to the obvious training benefits.

• Would 200 mg/week be a solid starting point to build from?
• I already have anastrozole and letrozole on hand, both dissolved in vodka for even dosing. How should I best approach AI use as a first-timer?
• My biggest concern is gyno, since it can throw off your entire look. As a newbie, I’m also aware that the other side effects are no joke, so I want to be cautious.

Any advice, suggestions, or experiences you can share would mean a lot.

Thanks in advance

Come on man? Look . You are super young and your at at a age where everything is firing at full potential. I don't want to sound rude or like a parent but unless your competing for the Olimpia don't put yourself in a position were you are going to suppress your natural youth . I'm 46 I didn't start using until I was 30 because I was competing. Don't take this personal but I just don't like seeing young guys like you or younger really messing things up. Your talking about DHT"s . Well there is a good chance you will loose your hair , cardiovascular strain , liver stress and mood swings . These are all things to consider and there is no one shoe fits all dose . You'll have to find that out in your own. I don't mean to sound like a preacher but I just don't like to see young guys like yourself hurting themselves.

 

[MapleAUS]

Come on man? Look . You are super young and your at at a age where everything is firing at full potential. I don't want to sound rude or like a parent but unless your competing for the Olimpia don't put yourself in a position were you are going to suppress your natural youth . I'm 46 I didn't start using until I was 30 because I was competing. Don't take this personal but I just don't like seeing young guys like you or younger really messing things up. You’re talking about DHT"s . Well there is a good chance you will loose your hair , cardiovascular strain , liver stress and mood swings . These are all things to consider and there is no one shoe fits all dose . You'll have to find that out in your own. I don't mean to sound like a preacher but I just don't like to see young guys like yourself hurting themselves.

I hopped on at 18, so I’m not saying you’re right, but I think the reasons for getting on are also important. For quality of life, confidence, that’s a bullshit reason, 2 of my friends have 1100ng test due to lifestyle.

Also, the odds you get side effects, as said here, are very likely, and going to lower your quality of life - I had some crazy acne at 19

 

[adrenalytic]

I personally don't care what you do but it's clear you haven't done enough research. Spend a year hanging around lifers like here on meso. Read their stories, struggles, successes, cycle choices (and reasons for their selections). Get a feel for the life. Then decide "do I want this for the next 50+ years that I plan to exist on this planet?".

It's hard to see the future at your age. Hell, it's hard at any age but particularly when young. Your frontal lobe isn't even fully developed yet. That's the part of the brain that aids in decision making and consideration of consequences. Your 40 year old self might come to hate you.

Stay safe. Or don't.

 

[Rogal69]

Another perspective here, I hopped on around the same time as you to chase numbers and be even more competitive in powerlifting. I made huge strides naturally and reached a 1700 total at 220 natural, and wanted more so I made the crossover.. it wasn’t sustainable for me long term though due to life and job circumstances and ended up coming off cold turkey from B/C’ing for 3 years and trying just about everything avilable, and ended up a giant strong blob and really tested my relationship throughout the process by not following advice and thinking I knew better, without diving too deep into personal things.

So that being said, if you make the choice then you make the choice, understand that it is a long game, and don’t be tempted to make short term solutions with AAS, as that’s how things spiral. You seem like you have a solid plan, however I would urge you to wait another couple years as well. It’s amazing what you can do at that age without aid. If you truly have everything locked in with nutrition, fix your sleep, and work on yourself then you will make far better progress then hopping on young, which is only going to mask the deeper issues.

Just my perspective for what it is worth. If I could go back I would have waited 100%, even with being fairly competitive in the sport I was pursuing at the time.

 

[BigDadd7]

Hey guys,

I’m 23 and have been lifting since I was 17. I started out as a really skinny, undernourished kid at around 100 lbs, but after years of training and a dirty bulk, I hit 253 lbs at my peak. I’ve since cut down a lot of the fat, though I still have some stubborn lower back fat left that I’m working on this year.

Right now I’m 173 cm (5’8”) and 189 lbs.

I’ve been looking into Chase Irons’ approach to getting on gear. The plan I had in mind is starting with 200 mg/week of Test E, then reassessing every 8 weeks to decide whether to increase the dose, and eventually adding in a DHT derivative.

The main reason I want to hop on is the quality-of-life improvements people often talk about—stronger erections, higher libido, consistent morning wood, more confidence, etc.—in addition to the obvious training benefits.

• Would 200 mg/week be a solid starting point to build from?
• I already have anastrozole and letrozole on hand, both dissolved in vodka for even dosing. How should I best approach AI use as a first-timer?
• My biggest concern is gyno, since it can throw off your entire look. As a newbie, I’m also aware that the other side effects are no joke, so I want to be cautious.

Any advice, suggestions, or experiences you can share would mean a lot.

Thanks in advance

What a crap plan.

You have no baseline bloodwork to even begin to decide if 200/week will do anything for you. Start with total/free test and come back. Anything else is retarded. Just because some other retarded kid did it, doesn't mean you need to do something retarded also.