George W. AWOL

[jbiggs]

Bush cant be re-elected anyway..He wasnt elected in the first place. He was appointed by his daddys supreme court.

I think he'll be elected though this time around..to my dismay.

He was elected. The "appointment" came after all the Dems lawsuits.

By the way, they did complete all the re-counts and W did win Florida. This re-count didn't take into account the 46,000 Dems who voted in Florida and in another state as well.

 

[Quasimoto]

He was elected. The "appointment" came after all the Dems lawsuits.

By the way, they did complete all the re-counts and W did win Florida. This re-count didn't take into account the 46,000 Dems who voted in Florida and in another state as well.

He lost the popular vote, he lost florida.

 

[Kayz]

Jbiggs has a point.....there was a story the other day of almost 50,000 democrats who were registered to vote in 2 states...clearly a violation of federal election guidelines.

And yes, many national newspapers (I believe the Sun Times, LA times, and the NY times) did re-count EVERY vote in Florida and they all concluded that Bush did in fact win!!!

Kind of ironic Gore only wanted to recount the democratic counties and objected to a statewide recount.

 

[Kayz]

He lost the popular vote, he lost florida.

Well, since we use the electoral college, the popular really doesn't mean shit.

If you dislike the way we do things, I suggest you write your senator and congressman and try to make a change.

 

[Quasimoto]

Well, since we use the electoral college, the popular really doesn't mean shit.

If you dislike the way we do things, I suggest you write your senator and congressman and try to make a change.

thanks.

 

[Kayz]

thanks.

Don't mention it....just trying to help. LOL

 

[Bob Smith]

the stockmarket not doing well.

Based on what? The DJIA had one of its best runs in history beginning around 1980.

Interest rates up.

Interest rates had been very high for a long time already.

 

[Bob Smith]

Oh, and how bout the validity of those "documents" cited in greyowls article. http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewPolitics.asp?Page=%5CPolitics%5Carchive%5C200409%5CPOL20040909d.html

[edit] oops, thats what I get for posting before reading the entire thread. Soeone else already mentioned this.

 

[Kayz]

Oh, and how bout the validity of those "documents" cited in greyowls article. http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewPolitics.asp?Page=%5CPolitics%5Carchive%5C200409%5CPOL20040909d.html

[edit] oops, thats what I get for posting before reading the entire thread. Soeone else already mentioned this.

Bob, I just saw that on Fox News. Very interesting indeed.

And as far as interest rates under Reagan, correct me if I'm wrong (I wasn't alive during Carters administration) but weren't interest rates at an all time high under Carter???? I thought I saw that the interest rates rose to 21% and double digit inflation!!!

Like Bush, Reagan inherited a mess and he fixed it.

 

[Bob Smith]

Here is a quote from "The Intelligent Investor" By Benjamin Graham (and commentary by Jason Zweig).

Pages 59-60
"As recently as 1973-1982, the United States went through one of the most painful bursts of inflation if our history. As measured by the COnsumer Price Index, prices more than doubled over that period, rising at an annualized rate of nearly 9%. In 1979 alone, inflation raged at 13.3%, paralyzing the economy in what became known as 'stagflation' - and leading many commentators to question whether America could compete in the global marketplace."

And also from page 60
"In fact, the United States has had two periods of hyperinflation. During the American Revolution, prices roughly tripled every year from 1777 through 1779, with a pound of butter costing $12 and a barrel of flour fetching nearly $1600 in Revolutionary Massachusettes. During the Civil War, inflation raged at annual rates of 29% (in the North) and nearly 200%(in the Confederacy). As recently as 1946, inflation hit 18.1% in the United States."

Going back to the first quote, it looks like the high inflation was mainly in the 70s and came down within a year or two of Reagan taking office.

 

[jbiggs]

1972 Email Casts Doubt on Bush Guard Service

(2004-09-09) -- CBS reporter Dan Rather today released the text of a recently discovered email from then-Lt. George W. Bush's Air National Guard commanding officer which casts more doubt upon the military service of the man who would become the 43rd President of the United States.

The revelation of the email comes just hours after questions were raised about the authenticity of typewritten memos from the same officer, shown yesterday by Mr. Rather on 60 Minutes.

According to the previously unseen email message sent in May 1972 by squadron commander Jerry Killian, Lt. Bush phoned Col. Killian because "his internet connection was on the fritz and he couldn't IM me."

Lt. Bush apparently wanted to talk about "how he can get out of coming to drill from now through November."

According to Col. Killian's email, the young Bush wanted to go to Alabama to work as webmaster for a Republican candidate's website.

Mr. Rather said the authenticity of the 32-year-old email has been confirmed by several Nigerian officials who specialize in electronic funds transfer by email.

 

[Bob Smith]

LMAO!! Thats hilarious!

 

[bearze34]

This draft-dodger, liar and coward is clearly unfit to serve in any public capacity except as dog-catcher of Plano Texas.[/QUOTE]

You summed up Clinton quite well, though he isn't running any longer. Bush in 2004!

 

[db2]

I think Bush=MJM, mods you better check the IP.

 

[Tiki]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BUSH_NATIONAL_GUARD?SITE=OHLON&SECTION=HOME


This draft-dodger, liar and coward is clearly unfit to serve in any public capacity except as dog-catcher of Plano Texas.

Perhaps next time you can quote a political skit from Saturday Night Live, since it would be more factual than what the lying cowards at the DNC are doing with forged documents.

 

[Tiki]

Conservatism is obviously better, just check out x-president Reagan's record. Higher unemployment rates the stockmarket not doing well. Pollution escalating. The deficit at all time high. Raiseing taxes. Interest rates up.

You forgot to put the smiley face on your post. At least, I would hope you were joking.

Unemployment did NOT go up during the Reagan years. In fact, during his 8 years over 20 million jobs were created. As others stated, interest rates and inflation were in the upper teens and lower 20s at the end of the Carter years (Carter was probably the worst President in our country's history). The stockmarket had one of the greatest bull runs in history during Reagan's 8 years. Unlike the last bull market, which much of was based on Internet mania rather than fundamentals, the Reagan bull market was based on the gigantic turnaround of the economy and the much better business environment of the 80s from the 70s. Reagan was famous for cutting taxes, the top rate was at 70% when he took office, so you're wrong again with regard to raising taxes.

Congratulations Buck. You are right with regard to one point you made. The deficit did go up. However, the deficit was also at all-time highs at the end of the Carter years as it had been rising since the late 60s during the Vietnam War. You can blame Reagan for that, but most of that was for the military build-up that defeated Communism. The same military buildup John Kerry and Ted Kennedy opposed.

Again, I hope you were kidding.

 

[buck]

Unemployment did NOT go up during the Reagan years. In fact, during his 8 years over 20 million jobs were created.

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/UNRATE.txt
Looks rather on the high side to me.

 

[buck]

Buck do you even know when Reagen came to office and when he left?

1981-02-01 7.4
1989-02-01 5.2

Thats a 2.2% drop you fucking idiot. You have got to be dumber than the kids who post pro-hormone questions.

Why yes I do shit for brains. If you would take your head out of your ass for a second(although it is probably like your second home) and open your f'ing eyes and wipe they shit from them you will.see


1981-11-01 8.3
1981-12-01 8.5
1982-01-01 8.6

1982-09-01 10.1
1982-10-01 10.4
1982-11-01 10.8
1982-12-01 10.8
1983-01-01 10.4
1983-02-01 10.4
1983-03-01 10.3

1983-04-01 10.2
1983-05-01 10.1
1983-06-01 10.1
1983-07-01 9.4

1984-06-01 7.2
1984-07-01 7.5
1984-08-01 7.5
1984-09-01 7.3
all the other very hi years of high unemployment. Didn''t any one teach you to read. There must have been one child in your family left behind. Were you born a moron or do you work at it.

 

[buck]

Based on what? The DJIA had one of its best runs in history beginning around 1980.
The Dow Jones industrials gained, on average, 11.4% a year during Reagan's eight years. Nice, but well below the 26.8% annual return under Calvin Coolidge, 16.6% under Bill Clinton and 14.6% under Rutherford Hayes.

Stocks even did better under the first President George Bush, gaining 11.8% a year, and he was tossed out, in part, because of public dissatisfaction with the economy under him.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/2004-06-10-reagan-stocks_x.htm first thing I found as I don't book mark everything I read. Hasn't the dow averaged 12% or so since it's inception, I could be wrong.

Interest rates had been very high for a long time already.

And his spending didn't bring them down any but they did seem to rise under him
http://www.fms.treas.gov/cvfr/

 

[Bob Smith]

Buck, thanks for the numbers, but did you forget that Reagan was President till January of 89?