Fuck. Old man supps??

[rugerjitsu]

sorry, I drew a blank when thinking of how to title this thread.

I would love some help, without a 100 page debate, on two things.

1. Fish Oil. I'm overwhelmed with the million different types, and they are gigantic pills. And, is it even an essential supplement?

2. My joints. What supplement would impact me the most? I train jiu jitsu 3-5 times a week, been doing this off and on for 20 years. My finger knukles hurt. It hurts to make a fist. My wife says Collagin Peptides should help.

Muchos Gracias!

 

[Rival]

Hey man, look into Orange Triad. I used the shit out of that when I trained BJJ really helped with my joints.

as far as fish oil I always use Krill.

 

[4Figgy]

I bit the bullet and am trying GH (starting next week). I started on collagen and I also take glucosamine/msm.

I can’t judge the glucosamine as I’ve taken it for a long time, but my knees are pretty busted. It could be helping prevent breakdown, but I don’t feel it helps rebuild anything.

 

[S317]

The best old man sups are hgh, test, t3 supplementation and cialis

 

[Uglyrichie]

Omega-3 Supplement Guide: What to Buy and Why

 

[Uglyrichie]

I just looked into buying the other day my knees are starting to kill me when I go down stairs now. Getting old sucks

 

[takkix]

1.Fish oil:
omega 3 fatty acids are essentials and even though a deficit is nothing that is really talked about, you will notice it. The problem is you don't know how you would normally feel / how a lot of things would work when you would get more omega 3 fatty acids.

I personally like omega 3 triglycerides. You don't need to swallow a lot of capsules to get a lot of epa + dha. 4 of the triglycerides i take a day equal 3g epa + dha.

2. For joints you can definitely try collagen. If it doesn't help there are other options like glucosamine. Examine lists a lot here:
Joint Pain and Bone Health

When you get older a lot of other nutrients/vitamins/hormones usually decrease a lot. I would get a big blood test and get everything checked. I'm sure almost everyone who doesn't have a insane good diet and / or uses supplements will be deficient in some of these, especially when you get older.

Things i personally would check:
- vitamin d(a very important hormone - not only a vitamin)
- dhea(if you are low you can supplement it and can benefit a lot of it)
- zinc
- magnesium(even though i would always supplement a small amount at least)
- ferritin(to tell if your iron levels are sufficient)
- thyroid hormones
- testosterone
- estrogen
- coenzyme q10 (a blood test would tell if you are low, but you could also just take a supplement and most likely would benefit from it)
- copper

 

[Ferenor]

My coach told me that essentials are:
3-6g epa+dha omega 3s
1-3g vitamin c
10.000 iu vitamin D
50-100 mg P5P
200-400 mg magnesium
10-20 mg Zinc

 

[rugerjitsu]

1.Fish oil:
omega 3 fatty acids are essentials and even though a deficit is nothing that is really talked about, you will notice it. The problem is you don't know how you would normally feel / how a lot of things would work when you would get more omega 3 fatty acids.

I personally like omega 3 triglycerides. You don't need to swallow a lot of capsules to get a lot of epa + dha. 4 of the triglycerides i take a day equal 3g epa + dha.

2. For joints you can definitely try collagen. If it doesn't help there are other options like glucosamine. Examine lists a lot here:
Joint Pain and Bone Health

When you get older a lot of other nutrients/vitamins/hormones usually decrease a lot. I would get a big blood test and get everything checked. I'm sure almost everyone who doesn't have a insane good diet and / or uses supplements will be deficient in some of these, especially when you get older.

Things i personally would check:
- vitamin d(a very important hormone - not only a vitamin)
- dhea(if you are low you can supplement it and can benefit a lot of it)
- zinc
- magnesium(even though i would always supplement a small amount at least)
- ferritin(to tell if your iron levels are sufficient)
- thyroid hormones
- testosterone
- estrogen
- coenzyme q10 (a blood test would tell if you are low, but you could also just take a supplement and most likely would benefit from it)
- copper

Thank you for this! What fish oil supp do you take?

I'll keep on the collagen peptides and see if things get better.

Best way to supplement zinc and magnesium?? Those ZMA supps?

 

[luissp]

The best old man sups are hgh, test, t3 supplementation and cialis

Funny that, late 40s here and following this diet, with T4 in lieu of T3. Wondering if tyrrhoid supplements are a good idea though, but stopping might be rough.
Started to try to feel less sleepy while on gh and test, but not sure how much they help. Opinions are mixed as well on whether they really complement Hgh favourably

 

[Multislacking]

Cissus quadrangularis has helped the most with my joints.

 

[Prussian Eagle]

For joints, highly recommend Purica Recovery. A teaspoon in juice everyday, taste sucks but results are great. It’s actually a equine (horse) supplement but it’s definitely GTG.

 

[takkix]

Thank you for this! What fish oil supp do you take?

I'll keep on the collagen peptides and see if things get better.

Best way to supplement zinc and magnesium?? Those ZMA supps?

I'm from europe so i doubt that you can get the same product. The brand is also based here and they don't sell internationally

ZMA could be ok but i i wouldn't say optimal. Especially because of the type of magnesium/zinc the products usually contain. They often have a poor bioavaibility.

I would recommend magnesium glycinate(like 300-400mg elemental magnesium) before bed. This form of magnesium can improve sleep very well. But if you take glycinate i wouldn't take it during the day because it can make you very sleepy.

I also think that Magnesium Malate is a good option, the bioavaibility is pretty good too, it doesn't make you sleepy, it can even do the opposite because it has effects on ATP. Malate can be be perfect in the morning as example. I take some Magnesium Malate in the Morning and some Glycinate about 2 hours before i go to bed.

For Zinc i think zincglycinate is good. I take zinc with a multi mineral product by life extensions. It is called only Trace minerals and also contains, copper, boron, manganese etc

 

[Oldschool]

Thank you for this! What fish oil supp do you take?

I'll keep on the collagen peptides and see if things get better.

Best way to supplement zinc and magnesium?? Those ZMA supps?

Magnesium is best absorbed through the skin. Not the stomach.

 

[AntonVPower]

Magnesium is best absorbed through the skin. Not the stomach.

Late response here, but it depends on the carrier. If its mag citrate its practically useless orally. .Malate is not terrible with glycinate being the most orally available. Ive never heard of tranadermal mag supplements. Would be interested in seeing a study or hearing some anecdotes if anyone has any?

 

[Logan44551]

@Roger rabbit

 

[Roger rabbit]

Late response here, but it depends on the carrier. If its mag citrate its practically useless orally. .Malate is not terrible with glycinate being the most orally available. Ive never heard of tranadermal mag supplements. Would be interested in seeing a study or hearing some anecdotes if anyone has any?

There are plenty of studies done on transdermal/topical magnesium. You are 100% correct that magnesium is not magnesium and all magnesium is not equal.

You can look up some of my previous posts regarding topical magnesium and the benefits of using topical versus oral.

 

[KingCahoot3627]

My gut says finger joints for a person participating in martial arts is a bigger problem than collagen, cissus, etc can handle. I'd take a few months off from contact, be sure to rotate my grip strategies (especially on Pull exercises), and consider using a paraffin bath for ur hands every day. The finger joints are small, the stability systems are sensitive, and it is only going to get worse if you try band aide treatments.

 

[DustMan]

sorry, I drew a blank when thinking of how to title this thread.

I would love some help, without a 100 page debate, on two things.

1. Fish Oil. I'm overwhelmed with the million different types, and they are gigantic pills. And, is it even an essential supplement?

2. My joints. What supplement would impact me the most? I train jiu jitsu 3-5 times a week, been doing this off and on for 20 years. My finger knukles hurt. It hurts to make a fist. My wife says Collagin Peptides should help.

Muchos Gracias!

Fishoil has Omega3 in it. Omega3 is anti inflammatory, it's preventative of CVD by protecting LDL from oxidization, oxidized LDL merges with the arterial wall and begins the process of necrosis, eventually leading to a thrombus, which then gives you a stroke or pulmonary embolism. It's really fucking important if you are taking steroids or have hereditary CVD.

Collagen types 1 and 3 can be used to strengthen tendons and ligaments. Collagen type 2 is used to build cartridge. All types are useless without vitamin C(the cofactor for collegen synthesis) so you need to take both together.

Connective tissue has terrible blood supply and is fed with nutrients mostly by the peripheral blood supply, this means that if you want strong tendons you should take your collagen and Vitamin C one hour before your training. This will ensure that the circulating collegen and vitamin C make it into the connective tissue(you use the body parts, those body parts fill with blood). Studies show you can more than double the rate at which new collagen is formed in tissues by using this technique. That's two training sessions worth of collagen synthesis per training session.

Lots of other things might also help, but there is a laundry list of possibilities. I would start with Collagen(baking gelatin is cheaper and works just as well) and vitamin C, everything else is just icing on the cake.

 

[rugerjitsu]

Fishoil has Omega3 in it. Omega3 is anti inflammatory, it's preventative of CVD by protecting LDL from oxidization, oxidized LDL merges with the arterial wall and begins the process of necrosis, eventually leading to a thrombus, which then gives you a stroke or pulmonary embolism. It's really fucking important if you are taking steroids or have hereditary CVD.

Collagen types 1 and 3 can be used to strengthen tendons and ligaments. Collagen type 2 is used to build cartridge. All types are useless without vitamin C(the cofactor for collegen synthesis) so you need to take both together.

Connective tissue has terrible blood supply and is fed with nutrients mostly by the peripheral blood supply, this means that if you want strong tendons you should take your collagen and Vitamin C one hour before your training. This will ensure that the circulating collegen and vitamin C make it into the connective tissue(you use the body parts, those body parts fill with blood). Studies show you can more than double the rate at which new collagen is formed in tissues by using this technique. That's two training sessions worth of collagen synthesis per training session.

Lots of other things might also help, but there is a laundry list of possibilities. I would start with Collagen(baking gelatin is cheaper and works just as well) and vitamin C, everything else is just icing on the cake.

Thank you!!