MESO-Rx Exclusive Fluoxymesterone (Halo) peaking, fat loss, and strength effects explained

[Intrepid]

About 4 days (maybe 5?) on 30mg halotestin/day, and I have to be honest--im a little underwhelmed and disappointed so far.

Strength is way up, hitting new prs, look cosmetically harder, maybe slight increase in vascularity, but the real reason I went with halo over another oral was for the aggression. I wanted this rage induced feeling, to be bursting at the seems with adrenaline, and I'm just not quite getting that. I'm not saying it doesn't increase aggression, there's definitely some performance and CNS boosting effects, but I thought it would be much stronger and pronounced.

Probably will just run 40mg the rest of the days until I'm out, then I'll probably keep halo on the backburner for a while. Much rather run winstrol for the cosmetics/strength, or superdrol for mass/strength

Think I'll try tren no ester next time instead of the halo for the aggression

 

[Megadick3000]

bullshit especially on halo or similar substances.

I think its also relevant to acknowledge the fact that people respond to liver toxicity differently than others. I knew a guy who developed signs of jaundice from just 30mg/ed of dianabol after a few weeks. There seems to be huge individual differences in how badly the liver gets impacted by orals. Many other bros here can attest to pulling bloods on oraos and having no elevated liver values. There was a guy on this forum who claimed as much and was running something like 50mg/day of dianabol for like a year straight. Then theres a whole other cohort whose livers seem to get wrecked very easily. There is definitely some genetics involved in how hepatotoxic an AAS is to someone.

 

[M@NU]

i thought we were over the days that we thought orals are bad because of liver damage?
i assumed the general consense changed to orals are bad because they wreck havoc und lipids, no?

 

[pipo]

About 4 days (maybe 5?) on 30mg halotestin/day, and I have to be honest--im a little underwhelmed and disappointed so far.

Strength is way up, hitting new prs, look cosmetically harder, maybe slight increase in vascularity, but the real reason I went with halo over another oral was for the aggression. I wanted this rage induced feeling, to be bursting at the seems with adrenaline, and I'm just not quite getting that. I'm not saying it doesn't increase aggression, there's definitely some performance and CNS boosting effects, but I thought it would be much stronger and pronounced.

Probably will just run 40mg the rest of the days until I'm out, then I'll probably keep halo on the backburner for a while. Much rather run winstrol for the cosmetics/strength, or superdrol for mass/strength

Think I'll try tren no ester next time instead of the halo for the aggression

Cheque drops supposedly take the crown in this department but I haven't tried.
For me no steroids it's giving me aggression. Neither halo,neither tren .
But it's how your personality is. I am very calm and chill, If you are a crazy lunatic without steroids than steroids will accentuate that behavior

 

[Intrepid]

Cheque drops supposedly take the crown in this department but I haven't tried.
For me no steroids it's giving me aggression. Neither halo,neither tren .
But it's how your personality is. I am very calm and chill, If you are a crazy lunatic without steroids than steroids will accentuate that behavior

I appreciate the groundbreaking insight and parroted response you've provided.

My goal was to increase aggression so maybe you're confused in your response.

 

[pipo]

I appreciate the groundbreaking insight and parroted response you've provided.

My goal was to increase aggression so maybe you're confused in your response.

You can't increase aggression if that's not your personality. That has a lot to do on how you behave with or without steroids
Look into Cheque drops thu

 

[b6798045]

BOOOOOOOOM!!! Article dropped!

How and WHY Halo is synergistic with other AAS for peaking/hardening (it actually antagonizes GR); how its potent androgenicity contributes to recomp (increased muscle and decreased fat, simultaneously). Why, too, it’s so potently anticatabolic —making it great for hard cutting, deep into prep.

If you can wrap your head around this and the other articles of this series you kind of have the golden ticket to understanding different drug combos.

Hello, what is your opinion on Halo taken by women for bodybuilding reasons, since it's used in medical practice for them? Is it safet than let's say Anadrol? What are known safe dosages and cycle lengths?

 

[Type-IIx]

Hello, what is your opinion on Halo taken by women for bodybuilding reasons, since it's used in medical practice for them? Is it safet than let's say Anadrol? What are known safe dosages and cycle lengths?

It's way too androgenic.

For all intents and purposes, it is not given to females medically.

Its potent phallotrophic (clitomegalic, dick-growing) effects in any woman who may become pregnant and thereby transfer it via breast milk or placentally to cause severe endocrine disruption to the fetus basically rules out women as a class. And its safety or efficacy is not established in girls, for whom it has no therapeutic use... beyond maybe in a Gaza hospital under bombardment, for severe hereditary angioedema.... even then... they'd feel pretty fucking terrible about it...

So its therapeutic use is limited to adolescent boys and hypogonadal men. Given its androgenic potency for androgen replacement in adult men, and delayed puberty, giving it a limited use case for cases of TRT where testosterone injections are inappropriate, or, as is actually most often the case, for exceedingly rare endocrine disorders like complicated Addison's Disease, e.g., JFK was prescribed it.

Anadrol is a pretty weak androgen compared to Halo bro. Anadrol, while ill-advised for most women that want to maintain femininity... it's in a different class than Halo in this regard....

 

[Jesintn]

What are your thoughts on using a 5 ar inhibitor with halo?

because since halo is one of the steroids that are effected by 5 ar inhibitors , in that something like finasteride reduces androgenic effects with halo, then if wanting to harden up, the last week or so , of a bodybuilding competition, and a competitor doesnt want to risk the androgenic effects , esp on hair, and prostate, while using masteron, the last week, using a 5 ar inhibitor, while using halo, would it be a total waste, since the androgenic effects are the effects that cause the increased fatloss, and hardness, right before stepping on stage ?

Im guessing if wanting to avoid that extreme androgenic ratio that halo causes, it may be best to use something like superdrol a few days (a fewweeks at lower doses at the longest time[ some guys use anadrol Kevin Levrone was known to] either one would do, superdrol has less androgenic effects) before "peak date"?

 

[Type-IIx]

What are your thoughts on using a 5 ar inhibitor with halo?

because since halo is one of the steroids that are effected by 5 ar inhibitors , in that something like finasteride reduces androgenic effects with halo, then if wanting to harden up, the last week or so , of a bodybuilding competition, and a competitor doesnt want to risk the androgenic effects , esp on hair, and prostate, while using masteron, the last week, using a 5 ar inhibitor, while using halo, would it be a total waste, since the androgenic effects are the effects that cause the increased fatloss, and hardness, right before stepping on stage ?

Im guessing if wanting to avoid that extreme androgenic ratio that halo causes, it may be best to use something like superdrol a few days (a fewweeks at lower doses at the longest time[ some guys use anadrol Kevin Levrone was known to] either one would do, superdrol has less androgenic effects) before "peak date"?

The effects would be very minimal since Halo is quite resistant to 5α-reductase (5AR) despite its detectable 5-reduction by both 5AR and 5BR. This is probably largely (but not entirely) by virtue of steric hindrance by its 17α-CH₃, as with aromatase.

But, for shits 'n giggles, let's say you were taking 150 mg daily – really, still not much of an effect… However, your question is theoretically an interesting one, since it's unknown whether – unlike most commercial AAS that are not designed as effective GR antagonists – its most potent direct androgenic effects are particular to its cortisol-esque electrochemical shape that is lost by 5α-reduction… and if they are, then taking a 5AR inhibitor like dutasteride or finasteride might theoretically have a comparable effect to that theorized for nandrolone (Deca, NPP): to wit, the use of such (a 5AR inhibitor) might increase androgenic potency by increasing net reactant (parent fluoxymesterone) versus product (recall, potentially androgenically weakened 5α-reduced-fluoxymesterone) by virtue of inhibiting that which actually diminishes 5α-reduction to a less androgenic metabolite…

Indeed, it is Testosterone that is actually unique in that it is 5α-amplified, or reduced by 5AR to a more potent androgen. Nandrolone, by contrast, is [perhaps like Halo] 5α-diminished to DHN, a weaker androgen than nandrolone.

The 5α-androstan-3-ones like Var are generally associated with reduced androgenic potency, and that includes Mast (Primo is technically a 1-ene)… as for effects specifically on hair loss per-mg, well, it's up for debate, but nothing's worse than testosterone per-mg…

 

[Type-IIx]

TBH, this post/thread has been practically deprecated by Fluoxymesterone Insights: Unique Characteristics of Anabolic-Androgenic Steroids – Part 3 though. This thread/OP was mostly mulling-around the drug rather than having a finalized thought about it like the article! Edit: though TBF, that article hones in only on unique aspects!

 

[wp_375]

not one word on the toxicity of Halo tho, after having praised all those fantastic effect I would have liked at least a paragraph on the toxicity of it so that newbie don't go with their cock at full mast eating halo like it's candies.
and a few line on average dosage too.

People love to bring up liver toxicity with Halo despite pretty much every clinical study, ever, showing very minimal (or non existent) effects on liver values. Even on kids and people with pre existing serious health issues. I think some peoples' AST/ALT actually went down on it.

Does anyone actually have blood work showing a significant increase just from Halo?

 

[Type-IIx]

People love to bring up liver toxicity with Halo despite pretty much every clinical study, ever, showing very minimal (or non existent) effects on liver values. Even on kids and people with pre existing serious health issues. I think some peoples' AST/ALT actually went down on it.

Does anyone actually have blood work showing a significant increase just from Halo?

It’s as hepatoxic as Var, basically – nothing special. There might be some freak instance of someone who used it without prior bloodwork for something supposedly “mild,” like a strongman or powerlifter, and was shocked by his liver values… but they’d have been similar with any nonaromatizable oral. I’ve seen it “look scary” but 9 times outta 10, just normal ALT/AST increases