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SeriosReborn said:
Explain to me where he went wrong. I will wait.
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I disagree with a lot of points. I agree with others.

I agree you have to teach. I agree that regulations are not a solution.

But I disagree with the paragraph about whataboutism. Its self defeating. You can use that type of argument to disprove anything including 1+1. Just because human language is poor and society isnt perfect, one shouldnt discount common sense.

I dont think an average person should take roids for fun any more than they should drink or smoke weed. There should be a legit reason because; First, you dont need it. That was my point. If they had actually researched anything, they would also know this. The fact they are still doing it tells me they did not research it properly and/or they are children playing games. This is not a good game to play. Pick up a ball or something else.

Second, these chemicals do hurt you. There is a reason they are regulated and its not all "corrupt government." The best reason is the human brain isnt even fully functional until you are in your mid to late 20s. Just because we classify these folks as adults, doesnt mean they are in terms of biological development. I dont want to regulate them because I know there are legit reasons to do drugs, but to me, the ones doing it for fun are literally children. They might as well be 12 years old. Do we let them do drugs and say nothing?

Sometimes you have to be stern with young folks especially ones with a lazy brain. This is no more gatekeeping than calling an 18 year old an adult. Its arbitrary. Further, some people are simply unteachable by their own choice. As they say you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink. So you have to use other means not to gatekeep but to keep both these adult children and those around them safe... fearmongering works very well. This is how religion and politicians do it. Sprinkle in a little sugar to make it go down easy and bam, 50% of humans with lazy brains will fall in line (sadly). Is it right? No but see the horse idiom.

Now tell me someone has a good reason to do roids or weed then I am for it. Be responsible and go. Thats the key word that the world seems to have forgotten... "Responsibility". You are a competitor? Go for it. You are in pain? Yes go for it. But you just want to get your rocks off? See points 1 and 2 and refer to the "R" word.
 
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thejumpingsheep said:
I disagree with a lot of points. I agree with others.

I agree you have to teach. I agree that regulations are not a solution.

But I disagree with the paragraph about whataboutism. Its self defeating. You can use that type of argument to disprove anything including 1+1. Just because human language is poor and society isnt perfect, one shouldnt discount common sense.

I dont think an average person should take roids for fun any more than they should drink or smoke weed. There should be a legit reason because; First, you dont need it. That was my point. If they had actually researched anything, they would also know this. The fact they are still doing it tells me they did not research it properly and/or they are children playing games. This is not a good game to play. Pick up a ball or something else.

Second, these chemicals do hurt you. There is a reason they are regulated and its not all "corrupt government." The best reason is the human brain isnt even fully functional until you are in your mid to late 20s. Just because we classify these folks as adults, doesnt mean they are in terms of biological development. I dont want to regulate them because I know there are legit reasons to do drugs, but to me, the ones doing it for fun are literally children. They might as well be 12 years old. Do we let them do drugs and say nothing?

Sometimes you have to be stern with young folks especially ones with a lazy brain. This is no more gatekeeping than calling an 18 year old an adult. Its arbitrary. Further, some people are simply unteachable by their own choice. As they say you can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink. So you have to use other means not to gatekeep but to keep both these adult children and those around them safe... fearmongering works very well. This is how religion and politicians do it. Sprinkle in a little sugar to make it go down easy and bam, 50% of humans with lazy brains will fall in line (sadly). Is it right? No but see the horse idiom.

Now tell me someone has a good reason to do roids or weed then I am for it. Be responsible and go. Thats the key word that the world seems to have forgotten... "Responsibility". You are a competitor? Go for it. You are in pain? Yes go for it. But you just want to get your rocks off? See points 1 and 2 and refer to the "R" word.
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Start a poll and ask these forum users when they started their first cycle and for what reason. I can guarantee 90% of them started young for reason no other but for the “lols”. No one here is using it for competitive bodybuilding nor “medically”. All of these folks are doing it for the sake of the game. Lets not claim the higher moral ground.
 
rxzed said:
Superiority complex and gatekeeping. Some people definitely shouldn't use it, but that's ultimately nobody's choice but theirs. The entire point of this forum is to help people reduce their risk if they are going to do it, not finger wag. A lot of people still don't grasp that, though.
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i half agree with your statement, but i think the other half is a bit pessimistic.

SO MANY of the youngsters looking to hop on are addressing a completely different issue than a physique. they're looking for a personality, confidence, women, attention, manliness, etc.

and while im sure these compounds can assist with all of those things, its definitely not a great route to take to get there.

young people wanting to compete? different story. young people wanting to use their body to make money somehow? different story.

but young people wanting to address clear personality, emotional or mental issues with these compounds? imo a finger wag is the only truly ethical course of action. if there is a non zero chance that someone can be swayed from injecting rgk oil in favor of introspection and self-determination, i think you should always take that route.
 
hellerhiwater said:
i half agree with your statement, but i think the other half is a bit pessimistic.

SO MANY of the youngsters looking to hop on are addressing a completely different issue than a physique. they're looking for a personality, confidence, women, attention, manliness, etc.

and while im sure these compounds can assist with all of those things, its definitely not a great route to take to get there.

young people wanting to compete? different story. young people wanting to use their body to make money somehow? different story.

but young people wanting to address clear personality, emotional or mental issues with these compounds? imo a finger wag is the only truly ethical course of action. if there is a non zero chance that someone can be swayed from injecting rgk oil in favor of introspection and self-determination, i think you should always take that route.
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You think majority of roid users here are not doing it to get attention and girls? just LOL
 
hellerhiwater said:
yeah, i reread it. still dont see the part where i said most people here arent doing it for any of those reasons i lsited
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"SO MANY of the youngsters looking to hop on are addressing a completely different issue than a physique. they're looking for a personality, confidence, women, attention, manliness, etc."

And you think the meatheads in here trying to wag fingers at youngsters are not doing roids for the exact same reason?
 
SeriosReborn said:
"SO MANY of the youngsters looking to hop on are addressing a completely different issue than a physique. they're looking for a personality, confidence, women, attention, manliness, etc."

And you think the meatheads in here trying to wag fingers at youngsters are not doing roids for the exact same reason?
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again...i didnt say ANY of that. i dont think anything about the meatheads here wagging fingers EXCEPT what i said.

when a young person is looking to inject rgk oils into their body for those reasons, its a solid move to try and dissuade them. outright refusing to assist them once they've made their choice clear, however, is also bad and goes against the "harm reduction" theme of the forum.
 
SeriosReborn said:
Start a poll and ask these forum users when they started their first cycle and for what reason. I can guarantee 90% of them started young for reason no other but for the “lols”. No one here is using it for competitive bodybuilding nor “medically”. All of these folks are doing it for the sake of the game. Lets not claim the higher moral ground.
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Popular opinion doesn't make something right bud. The above observation applies to a lot of bad behavior, not just roids. Its still a bad choice nonetheless.

For those who know why its bad, isnt it their job to pass on the knowledge?
 
Looksmaxing is cope for guys who have bad aesthetics genes, limited IQ or EQ (cant make money or provide something useful to society, cant be charming, interesting or enjoyable to be around) and should just submit to being a truecel and fully accept the black pill. It’s over for any looksmaxxer because the actual them is so cooked they have to looksmax in the first place. Try being born a Chad next time bud
 
Slowww said:
Looksmaxing is cope for guys who have bad aesthetics genes, limited IQ or EQ (cant make money or provide something useful to society, cant be charming, interesting or enjoyable to be around) and should just submit to being a truecel and fully accept the black pill. It’s over for any looksmaxxer because the actual them is so cooked they have to looksmax in the first place. Try being born a Chad next time bud
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No gym for your face
 
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