Civdiv
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Okay fuck it. I'm sold.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
First Real Cut Log
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Smokeythabear
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Embracing the grind is inspiring to your brothers that are in the trenches of a long and deep cut with you! We got this and thanks for sharing! Anything new that you’ve added to the diet or gym to freshen things up that you’ve been enjoying?
That GH water weight when you bump up is definitely a mind fuck with the scale. I just went from 4 to 5 and next up is 6. I wish I could convince myself not to check the scale that week.
That GH water weight when you bump up is definitely a mind fuck with the scale. I just went from 4 to 5 and next up is 6. I wish I could convince myself not to check the scale that week.
Civdiv
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Thanks man. This stuff is hard but I think that's what makes the results feel so good. Having the kind of mastery over your life to make this happen is what makes the grind feel good. Almost everyone is physically capable of changing themselves but most aren't mentally capable. Sounds shitty but that feeling of being better than most people drives me to keep being better than myself.
For workout I follow a lot of Mike Israetel's hypertrophy stuff. He comes across as a douchebag but some of his routines smoke you. My two current favorites are skull crushers but taking the bar to your throat and stretching the shit out of your triceps. Slow controlled eccentric and I'm shaking and damn near crying with a 50lb easy bar at 15 reps. And I can put up 340 on the bench so it's not weakness, it's technique. The other is cable bicep curls with the height set at shoulder height behind you. Puts all the resistance at full stretch and smokes my biceps harder than anything I've done in 20 years. 6 or 7 sets with 3 really hard working sets and I feel amazing.
For diet I eat like a king. We'll grill steak and peppers, cauliflower rice add tzatziki sauce we make with Greek yogurt and meal prep a couple weeks worth. About 400 calories and 40ish grams of protein. We have several meal preps like that. Makes it easier when you enjoy your meals.
Taking the wife with me tomorrow to show her how to roast glute, hams and quads. When I was younger I was all about ego lifting but it feels more purposed now when I'm focusing on technique and results. Also helps now that I'm almost 50 and don't heal as fast as I used to from straining something lifting heavier then I need to.
Man you got me fired up now. Looking forward to shoulders and legs tomorrow.
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TurboJet
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Is TNE really that good? I gotta know, been wanting to get some Halo to try. How would you compare the two if you have tried them both.
Ateam2023
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i havent done halo,,
Civdiv
Member
Haven't tried halo but but heard tne is amazing without jacking up your lipids. I'll tell you tomorrow when I try a bigger dose.
Wkind
Banned
good progress! To be honest man I really do not think that you should be playing with anything else than just a bit higher test at the moment. primo or anavar should not even be thought of at this stage of your look. no offense, just some wisdom. you’re wasting the primo away right now. What’s the point? You’re cutting not bulking. And to be fair, you cannot even be using it for cosmetic purposes either, there’s nothing to see yet until you reach atleast 13% bf. Test that puts you above 1500 is more than enough to preserve your mass on a deficit that is not very big.
A GLP like Tirzepatide is a fair addon though.
A GLP like Tirzepatide is a fair addon though.
Wkind
Banned
as far as primo, people get significant improvements starting from 150 and above. Do not listen to the retards that claim 400 and above or nothing.
Wkind
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What’s tne?try 100 mg of tne , then you will get the "full effect" , i personally do only .7 ml is my sweet spot, but i have done 100 mg doses with different types of tne, all the ones i have used had a small amount of guac in it, The "good stuff" has a lil guac in it, lol ,,
Wkind
Banned
I just noticed the most recent pics and read the latest updates, amazing man, amazing for your age as you’re killing it
Wkind
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did you end up fixing up your sleep and if so, how?
Civdiv
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Thanks man. I appreciate that. I appreciate all the feedback. I know I'm taking more than I need in this cut but seemed like a good opportunity to gain some experience in how my body handles different doses. It would be nice to have a couple sweet spots that work for me dialed in over the next few months so when I start trying to put some mass in I've got a good starting point. And labs at different doses to have a general idea how to compare feels to actual numbers. Don't know if this is a bad thought process but it made sense to me. Really do appreciate the wisdom. That's the whole reason I'm posting on here, to learn from other's experience.
Sleep is getting better but still have rough days. Been taking magnesium glycinate, magnesium l-theronate, Phosphatidylserine, and glysine before bed. Also starting on dsip peptide. The dsip made a huge difference. Sounds retarded but when I get up at 430 for cardio before work I sit next to a bright ass light that's supposed to mimic sunlight and help reset your circadian clock. Slept 7 hours last week for the first time in months.
TNE is test, no ester. Test base.
Thanks again for the feedback man. I appreciate it.
Wkind
Banned
The thing is that judging by the recent pictures this is more a good recomp, you were lacking proper training and nutrition, so the fat loss is also accelerated by the new induced muscle growth, I am not sure of your past or what you’ve used and if you have used besides trt though.
I would definitely say dosages of just testosterone of no more than 250mg would serve the similar significant results without any added risk, not to say that what you’re running right now necessarily has risks, it’s a pretty mild cycle still, but you could’ve saved all those doses for the moment that you would be on a low bodyfat of let’s say 12%, to help you reach something as 11 and at the same time make you appear a bit more dry for a little while, examples of those compounds would be mast, primo, var. the ones that you’re already playing with pretty much.
But I must say, I like and enjoy when I see someone that uses stuff but at the same time tries to minimize all the risks and keeps his research up on how to stay on top of things and health.
Wkind
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From my experience I’ve used DSIP only once and discontinued as I realized I don’t needed it that much at the time and a few supplements did the work. I might jump back to it as well as I have a few vials but only for the fact that sometimes I have interrupted sleeps which I do not like.
I’ve also used Epitalon, 5-10mg Ed for 7 days if I can recall. For some reason it boosted my mood noticeably, the sleep pattern did seem to change slightly but to something odd, I was waking up a bit earlier but feeling much more rested than taking longer sleeps, lasted for a while (a few days or so) after discontinuing.
If you’re drinking caffeine you might want to consider stopping it. It could be one of the reasons, just food for thought. You can try.
when nights get rough get some Benadryl and it will put you back to sleep. Do not use this often.
Civdiv
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Just getting the rest of my labs back. Still waiting on E2 numbers but test results seem high for my dose. Up until a week before labs I was using pharma so not an over dosing issue from ugl. Also had primo tested at jano and was dosed properly.
TEST - 2421 (250-1100)
FT - 634 (35-155)
Been on 250 test a week for a while. Added 100mg primo about 3 weeks before labs, and went to 300mg/wk test a week before labs which shouldn't have a huge impact yet. I was around 1200 at 100mg/week so maybe my body just loves test?
Does this seem odd or expected for my dose?
TEST - 2421 (250-1100)
FT - 634 (35-155)
Been on 250 test a week for a while. Added 100mg primo about 3 weeks before labs, and went to 300mg/wk test a week before labs which shouldn't have a huge impact yet. I was around 1200 at 100mg/week so maybe my body just loves test?
Does this seem odd or expected for my dose?
Civdiv
Member
I should add my hemocrit was 48 living at a higher altitude, and I feel good. BP has been historically high but in check with Telmasartin I started before ramping up test. Waiting for E2 to see how I'm balanced but overall feel great.
Wkind
Banned
off topic to your latest comment but do Share the tzatziki recipe!
Civdiv
Member
Nothing special. Premade seasoning packets from the store. Comes with one for the steak and one for the tzatziki sauce. We add it to Greek yogurt for low calories and protein.
Civdiv
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Finally got all of my labs back and things are looking good. Been waiting on my E2 numbers. I've posted some results earlier but putting them all in one post now that they're all in.
Labs are based on 250/100 test/primo and 4iu gh.
TEST - 2421 (250-1100)
FT - 634 (35-155)
E2 - 39 pg/ml ultrasensitive
IGF-1 - 329
My hdl/ldl were within range but off from my baseline. I was also just a couple weeks post orals so I'll have a better idea of real numbers next labs in a couple months. BP and fasted glucose are still great.
As I said, I'm taking the opportunity during this cut to push gear higher than I need for a bit to get a better understanding of how my body responds to different doses, how I feel at different doses, and then putting lab numbers to it. I'm too old to be taking bigger risks so I'd like to find out how much I can push without serious negative impacts to my health markers. I'm looking for that happy "go to" dose for me for the future.
So far things look good and I feel great. Immediately after labs I moved to 400/200 test/primo and 5iu gh. I'm not planning on going any higher for this cut, but I'm interested in seeing what I can comfortably run without needing any AI. Next labs are about a month and a half or so. Pretty interested in where the current dose puts me.
Labs are based on 250/100 test/primo and 4iu gh.
TEST - 2421 (250-1100)
FT - 634 (35-155)
E2 - 39 pg/ml ultrasensitive
IGF-1 - 329
My hdl/ldl were within range but off from my baseline. I was also just a couple weeks post orals so I'll have a better idea of real numbers next labs in a couple months. BP and fasted glucose are still great.
As I said, I'm taking the opportunity during this cut to push gear higher than I need for a bit to get a better understanding of how my body responds to different doses, how I feel at different doses, and then putting lab numbers to it. I'm too old to be taking bigger risks so I'd like to find out how much I can push without serious negative impacts to my health markers. I'm looking for that happy "go to" dose for me for the future.
So far things look good and I feel great. Immediately after labs I moved to 400/200 test/primo and 5iu gh. I'm not planning on going any higher for this cut, but I'm interested in seeing what I can comfortably run without needing any AI. Next labs are about a month and a half or so. Pretty interested in where the current dose puts me.
