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Dhtcoper123

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Hello! Thinking about starting my first cycle, going to do 250mg of testosterone, probably test p. Which blood work markers need to be included in my blood work panel?

And for minimizing risk of permanent infertility, does running hcg while on cycle make sense, or is just running pct with hcg and serm and maybe ai better?

Appreciate a response!
 
Dhtcoper123 said:
Hello! Thinking about starting my first cycle, going to do 250mg of testosterone, probably test p. Which blood work markers need to be included in my blood work panel?

And for minimizing risk of permanent infertility, does running hcg while on cycle make sense, or is just running pct with hcg and serm and maybe ai better?

Appreciate a response!
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Like will any blood work panel do or is there some specific marker I need, even for just test, is what I meant
 
Horrible choice with the test P for a first cycle. Use C or E or Sust.
Don’t run HCG on cycle big waste of money. Also start with 300mg that way you don’t have to titrate 50mg to get into the actual cycle territory. You need a full men’s comprehensive hormone panel.
 
250 is just barely over TRT levels. And from your intro post, you're 25. Being that young, 250 is probably just a replacement dose more than anything. Definitely not a cycle. Why did you choose that dosage?

Also IMO test P is not ideal for a first cycle, since you have to pin every day. Choose E or C.

HCG during cycle would be the best route to maintain fertility, yes.

About bloods, the most markers you check, the better. There is a whole subforum for that, check a few of the popular threads. But the very basics and most important ones off the top of my head are lipids, FSH, LSH, free and total test, sensitive estrogen.

In any case, I'd advise you to research a bit more. Read more about proper protocols. Then reconsider your cycle. Going test solo is good, you've got that right. But you should go higher than 250 mg per week to actually notice anything. Normally 500 mg is suggested, 400 or 350 will also work if you want to start lower. Also have an AI on hand to use according to your bloodwork.
 
Dhtcoper123 said:
Hello! Thinking about starting my first cycle, going to do 250mg of testosterone, probably test p. Which blood work markers need to be included in my blood work panel?

And for minimizing risk of permanent infertility, does running hcg while on cycle make sense, or is just running pct with hcg and serm and maybe ai better?

Appreciate a response!
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the_pope said:
250 is just barely over TRT levels. And from your intro post, you're 25. Being that young, 250 is probably just a replacement dose more than anything. Definitely not a cycle. Why did you choose that dosage?

Also IMO test P is not ideal for a first cycle, since you have to pin every day. Choose E or C.

HCG during cycle would be the best route to maintain fertility, yes.

About bloods, the most markers you check, the better. There is a whole subforum for that, check a few of the popular threads. But the very basics and most important ones off the top of my head are lipids, FSH, LSH, free and total test, sensitive estrogen.

In any case, I'd advise you to research a bit more. Read more about proper protocols. Then reconsider your cycle. Going test solo is good, you've got that right. But you should go higher than 250 mg per week to actually notice anything. Normally 500 mg is suggested, 400 or 350 will also work if you want to start lower. Also have an AI on hand to use according to your bloodwork.
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I have no problem with pinning daily, and I heard it leads to more stable pulses and less aromatization etc. Is 250mg really that low? I’ve seen people say 250mg gets you to pretty high levels and that starting with 500 is unnecessarily high, Derek from moreplatesmoredates f.e
 
Billbo98 said:
Horrible choice with the test P for a first cycle. Use C or E or Sust.
Don’t run HCG on cycle big waste of money. Also start with 300mg that way you don’t have to titrate 50mg to get into the actual cycle territory. You need a full men’s comprehensive hormone panel.
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Is test P really terrible if you have no problem pinning every day? Doesn’t it represent natural pulses more and lead to less aromatization? Yeah I’ll probably start with 300 actually now that I think about it. I can get hcg pretty low price so that isn’t an issue, so if it minimizes risk any more than doing it after I’ll happily buy it. I heard lh and fsh receptors or whatever can get fried over time if “turnd off”
 
longer ester always better.
pinning every day with test P leads to less stable levels than pinning every other day with C or E. pinning every day is not an excuse to use a shit ester.

Also, receptors dont desensitize btw. thats just a myth from the old days which keeps being repeated even though it is nowhere near true. the thing which usually causes the slowdown in gains is oxidative stress, shit sleep or bad digestion, not "rEcepTOr deSEnsEtizaTiON"
HCG will raise E2 a bit, so keep that in mind when doing bloodwork.

Overall, Dont hop on. read more, learn more and come back in 6-12 months with a less stupid approach.
 
Dhtcoper123 said:
I have no problem with pinning daily, and I heard it leads to more stable pulses and less aromatization etc. Is 250mg really that low? I’ve seen people say 250mg gets you to pretty high levels and that starting with 500 is unnecessarily high, Derek from moreplatesmoredates f.e
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Well, if you want to pin daily, it's your choice. But being your first cycle I'd focus more on learning the proper injection technique. More stable levels I really doubt it. For most stable levels you'd pin a long ester like U twice a week. That has the least fluctuations. With Test P your levels fluctuates a lot even in a single day.

In any case, Test E or Test C twice a week is ideal and the recommended starting point. Once you have that experience of your first cycle, you can experiment with other esters.

And as for the dose, I wouldn't go lower than 300. Also, MPMD is not a good source for PED protocols lol. Get some reading done instead, will do you good.
 
This test p craze comes from the notion that it more closely imitates natural test fluctuations (higher in the AM, lower in the PM). I think the looksmaxtards came up with it first and now Derek is parroting it.

Even if true, we are trying to break the bonds of human constraints, aren't we? why would we want this? We want 24x7 max anabolism and nutrient partitioning don't we? I can't see that happening on test P which has high peaks and low valleys every day.
 
adrenalytic said:
This test p craze comes from the notion that it more closely imitates natural test fluctuations (higher in the AM, lower in the PM). I think the looksmaxtards came up with it first and now Derek is parroting it.

Even if true, we are trying to break the bonds of human constraints, aren't we? why would we want this? We want 24x7 max anabolism and nutrient partitioning don't we? I can't see that happening on test P which has high peaks and low valleys every day.
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in that case they should use Castor TNE @25mg/ml 1ml daily, not prop.
The entire premise they are building off of is majorly retarded
 
adrenalytic said:
This test p craze comes from the notion that it more closely imitates natural test fluctuations (higher in the AM, lower in the PM). I think the looksmaxtards came up with it first and now Derek is parroting it.

Even if true, we are trying to break the bonds of human constraints, aren't we? why would we want this? We want 24x7 max anabolism and nutrient partitioning don't we? I can't see that happening on test P which has high peaks and low valleys every day.
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Well the fluctuation theory stupid. I can't possibly conceive what benefit would imitating the natural test's fluctuations bring.

Being more natural? You're injecting steroids already, supra-physiological levels of hormones. What's the point of being natural. Take advantage of your higher levels and enjoy higher anabolism.
 
Dhtcoper123 said:
Is test P really terrible if you have no problem pinning every day? Doesn’t it represent natural pulses more and lead to less aromatization? Yeah I’ll probably start with 300 actually now that I think about it. I can get hcg pretty low price so that isn’t an issue, so if it minimizes risk any more than doing it after I’ll happily buy it. I heard lh and fsh receptors or whatever can get fried over time if “turnd off”
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yes it is. Your LH & FSH get “turned off” regardless of using HCG or not when using testosterone. HCG is a waste on cycle. Use it afterwards look up Dr Scally PCT protocol if not blasting and cruising
 
the_pope said:
Well, if you want to pin daily, it's your choice. But being your first cycle I'd focus more on learning the proper injection technique. More stable levels I really doubt it. For most stable levels you'd pin a long ester like U twice a week. That has the least fluctuations. With Test P your levels fluctuates a lot even in a single day.

In any case, Test E or Test C twice a week is ideal and the recommended starting point. Once you have that experience of your first cycle, you can experiment with other esters.

And as for the dose, I wouldn't go lower than 300. Also, MPMD is not a good source for PED protocols lol. Get some reading done instead, will do you good.
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less stable is what I meant haha so it’s more natural
 
Billbo98 said:
yes it is. Your LH & FSH get “turned off” regardless of using HCG or not when using testosterone. HCG is a waste on cycle. Use it afterwards look up Dr Scally PCT protocol if not blasting and cruising
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Oh okay, from what I’ve heard from watching moreplatesmoredates for example pinning more frequently is better for less aromatization because there’s not a huge spike. I’ll look into it, thank you!
 
the_pope said:
Well the fluctuation theory stupid. I can't possibly conceive what benefit would imitating the natural test's fluctuations bring.

Being more natural? You're injecting steroids already, supra-physiological levels of hormones. What's the point of being natural. Take advantage of your higher levels and enjoy higher anabolism.
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Well the thing is, the body is used to a natural environment. Pinning less frequently means higher dose at a time which from what I’ve heard could mean higher aromatization and side effects. I may be completely incorrect though obviously
 
adrenalytic said:
This test p craze comes from the notion that it more closely imitates natural test fluctuations (higher in the AM, lower in the PM). I think the looksmaxtards came up with it first and now Derek is parroting it.

Even if true, we are trying to break the bonds of human constraints, aren't we? why would we want this? We want 24x7 max anabolism and nutrient partitioning don't we? I can't see that happening on test P which has high peaks and low valleys every day.
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Ah I see what you’re saying, good point. I honestly didn’t even really know that test p caused more fluctuations I just was thinking about more frequent pins. It is true that obviously having more stable levels at all times will gove you an advantage muscle building wise, but I’d also say there’s some arguments that it’s worth to purposefully do that for some people, because there definitely is a reason the hormone system is built the way it is, so there could be some long term issues having high test levels 247, idk though
 
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