First cycle- Help/Feedback

[IndividualMan]

I’m not getting tested yet so that isn’t a problem

wonderful. try Tbol & some test then, big man Jon Jones loves that shit. Cardio improvements go hard on TBol, just beware of the cramps (&nut cramps) people tend to get on TBol

if you REALLY wanna ragdoll some people, try Adrol down the line. makes people dummy strong.

 

[Kittencel]

wonderful. try Tbol & some test then, big man Jon Jones loves that shit. Cardio improvements go hard on TBol, just beware of the cramps (&nut cramps) people tend to get on TBol

if you REALLY wanna ragdoll some people, try Adrol down the line. makes people dummy strong.

should I start doing coke aswell?
Nah but can u prevent these cramps? Especially the nut cramps…
And adrol has a high water retention doesn’t it? So I don’t know if that’s the right choice eventhough u would love to ragdoll some people

 

[rxzed]

Hey everyone,
I’ve been training seriously for a while now and have been reading and researching a lot. I recently turned 18 and I’m planning to run my first cycle soon, but I want to make sure I’m doing this as smart and informed as possible.


Stats:

• Age: 18
• Height: 181 cm
• Weight: ~80kg
• Body fat: ~15–18%

Planned Cycle:

• Testosterone Enanthate: 250 mg/week (split into 2 doses)
• Anavar: 20 mg/day
• HCG: 250 IU twice a week during the cycle
• PCT (Tamoxifen): 40/20/20/20 mg starting ~2 weeks after last Test E shot
• Cycle for 6-8weeks

QUESTION:
I know that at 18, the HPTA is still stabilizing and there are risks like long-term or even permanent suppression, fertility issues, and other endocrine problems. That’s why I’m trying to be as cautious as possible — but I also know some of you started young or have coached young guys and might have real insight into.

• What do you think of this cycle setup overall?
• Is there anything I’m missing or should adjust?
• How bad can long-term effects really be at 18?
• If you started young yourself, would you do it differently now?

Permanent suppression from a cycle of testosterone is virtually unheard of, even more so as an 18 y/o. PCT is NOT a requirement, even if you are coming off completely; it make take a few more weeks, but you will still rebound. Fertility is a nuanced topic, but I personally don't put too much thought into it given the resources and science available. HCG seems to be the most sustainable and accessible way to preserve testicular function. I recommend 1500IU a week, either year round or every 12 weeks.

The most important things you can do is get blood work as often as you can afford, ideally a basic panel every month (CBC, CMP, Lipid, E2). The other complication that is much harder to monitor is LVH, but can be done through an echocardiogram, though I've not found anywhere that doesn't require a referral from a doctor, though YMMV.

Regardless of what you choose to use, try to be objective and introspective about how they effect your physical and mental health. Don't be pressured into taking more stuff from how other people look. Always try to learn and improve your understanding of things, regardless of what you've been told or you've experienced.

Also, don't use PEDs if you're competing at an amateur level where most people are natural. I think that goes without saying.

 

[IndividualMan]

should I start doing coke aswell?
Nah but can u prevent these cramps? Especially the nut cramps…
And adrol has a high water retention doesn’t it? So I don’t know if that’s the right choice eventhough u would love to ragdoll some people

Sdrol is also an option if you do not like adrol, less water but liver goes ouchie waayyy faster. maybe keep adrol in mind for when you are doing some grappling training ; )

Nut cramps on Tbol just happen sometimes, really sucks when you are laying pipe and suddenly need a 5 min break curled up in the fetal position due to nut cramps.
Regular cramps can be prevented by going heave on electrolytes, carbs, magnesium, etc.

coke is optional, but it is indeed a part of the Jon Jones stack. As well as hit and runs on pregnant ladies and a little something rhyming with grousal bemuse.

 

[IndividualMan]

Regardless of what you choose to use, try to be objective and introspective about how they effect your physical and mental health. Don't be pressured into taking more stuff from how other people look. Always try to learn and improve your understanding of things, regardless of what you've been told or you've experienced.

I can only second that. do not get pressured into taking anything you are not 100% comfortable taking, if you are already taking something and are experiencing issues of any kind, do not hesitate to drop the compounds you are taking.

as for the not taking gear in amateur MMA: as long as there is no legal trouble and you have some fun, go for it. most people i know who do amateur MMA are running stuff, it seems rather uncommon to find someone actually natty doing that.

 

[accidentaljedi173]

I don’t do bodybuilding, I’m an mma fighter. If u would do an oral only cycle what would u run/ advise me to run? As Anavar suppresses test I wouldn’t run it without a test base?

What's your purpose for taking gear as an MMA fighter? Gear does absolutely nothing for overall athletic performance. Are you looking for help cutting weight, or are you under the impression it would help you become a better fighter?

 

[Kittencel]

Permanent suppression from a cycle of testosterone is virtually unheard of, even more so as an 18 y/o. PCT is NOT a requirement, even if you are coming off completely; it make take a few more weeks, but you will still rebound. Fertility is a nuanced topic, but I personally don't put too much thought into it given the resources and science available. HCG seems to be the most sustainable and accessible way to preserve testicular function. I recommend 1500IU a week, either year round or every 12 weeks.

The most important things you can do is get blood work as often as you can afford, ideally a basic panel every month (CBC, CMP, Lipid, E2). The other complication that is much harder to monitor is LVH, but can be done through an echocardiogram, though I've not found anywhere that doesn't require a referral from a doctor, though YMMV.

Regardless of what you choose to use, try to be objective and introspective about how they effect your physical and mental health. Don't be pressured into taking more stuff from how other people look. Always try to learn and improve your understanding of things, regardless of what you've been told or you've experienced.

Also, don't use PEDs if you're competing at an amateur level where most people are natural. I think that goes without saying.

Thanks, would still do a pct

 

[Kittencel]

Sdrol is also an option if you do not like adrol, less water but liver goes ouchie waayyy faster. maybe keep adrol in mind for when you are doing some grappling training ; )

Nut cramps on Tbol just happen sometimes, really sucks when you are laying pipe and suddenly need a 5 min break curled up in the fetal position due to nut cramps.
Regular cramps can be prevented by going heave on electrolytes, carbs, magnesium, etc.

coke is optional, but it is indeed a part of the Jon Jones stack. As well as hit and runs on pregnant ladies and a little something rhyming with grousal bemuse.

Alr thanks, will probably still stick with tbol or Anavar. Hit and run on a pregnant lady is in planning. Not related to the rest but is there anything u would recommend taking right before a fight/comp? (Even if not on a cycle)

 

[Kittencel]

if you are already taking something and are experiencing issues of any kind, do not hesitate to drop the compounds you are taking.

I’m on 30 mg isotretinoin daily, but wouldn’t have started the cycle before stopping accutane that’s why I didn’t mention it

 

[Kittencel]

What's your purpose for taking gear as an MMA fighter? Gear does absolutely nothing for overall athletic performance. Are you looking for help cutting weight, or are you under the impression it would help you become a better fighter?

• Explosive power: harder punches, faster takedowns, stronger clinch work
• Improved recovery: shorter downtime between intense sessions
• Better endurance: more output per round, less fatigue

Ure not a fighter are u? Cause if u ever trained with an enhanced fighter u would know that it makes a massive difference

 

[IndividualMan]

Alr thanks, will probably still stick with tbol or Anavar. Hit and run on a pregnant lady is in planning. Not related to the rest but is there anything u would recommend taking right before a fight/comp? (Even if not on a cycle)

if you struggle with a little "stagefright" or generally high pulse, a low dose beta blocker might be helpful so you do not gas all too quickly/ pace yourself better. (think 2.5mg nebivolol, or a equivalent dose propranolol)

Plus, if you go heavy on the cardio leading up to a fight try some albuterol inhalers, they are a really fun experience and allow you to do more cardio. (just do them before/while doing cardio, and do not bringthem to your fights, thats an easy DQ)

if you have no concerns regarding funny unregulated cell growth, cardarine is an option (I wouldnt take it due to it being a likely carcinogen)

If you have a fuckton of money lying around you can look into some of the Compounds Vigoroussteve is trying to push in his MMA/endurance athlete stack videos, but I would not count on those doing all too much.

 

[Kittencel]

if you struggle with a little "stagefright" or generally high pulse, a low dose beta blocker might be helpful so you do not gas all too quickly/ pace yourself better. (think 2.5mg nebivolol, or a equivalent dose propranolol)

Plus, if you go heavy on the cardio leading up to a fight try some albuterol inhalers, they are a really fun experience and allow you to do more cardio. (just do them before/while doing cardio, and do not bringthem to your fights, thats an easy DQ)

if you have no concerns regarding funny unregulated cell growth, cardarine is an option (I wouldnt take it due to it being a likely carcinogen)

If you have a fuckton of money lying around you can look into some of the Compounds Vigoroussteve is trying to push in his MMA/endurance athlete stack videos, but I would not count on those doing all too much.

Thanks, appreciate the help!

 

[IndividualMan]

always happy helping a fellow EU dweller

 

[accidentaljedi173]

• Explosive power: harder punches, faster takedowns, stronger clinch work
• Improved recovery: shorter downtime between intense sessions
• Better endurance: more output per round, less fatigue

Ure not a fighter are u? Cause if u ever trained with an enhanced fighter u would know that it makes a massive difference

I am absolutely a fighter. I stopped for a family. Later on transitioned to bodybuilding. I've trained with many enhanced fighters, at the time wasn't very interested in being enhanced because I felt like it didn't help them.

Gear does not make you faster or punch harder. I agree with recovery for tough sessions though.

How long have you been training, and do you have any fights?

I personally, have experience in both MMA and muay thai fights.

 

[dinfar1337]

• Explosive power: harder punches, faster takedowns, stronger clinch work
• Improved recovery: shorter downtime between intense sessions
• Better endurance: more output per round, less fatigue

Ure not a fighter are u? Cause if u ever trained with an enhanced fighter u would know that it makes a massive difference

yeah my friend that fights at a pro level trains with 2 enhanced 190cm 110kg beasts. i defiently wouldnt survive few of their punches. the strength increase and extra aggresion when you've been training for years to kill your opponent is not to be messed with.

i would recommend you looking into direct endurance boosters like cardarine etc

and indirect steriods like eq.

theres levels to the drugs you can take speficially for this i wont go too in-depth with it since im not very knowledgable about mma stacks but theres alot of deep diving you can do beyond testosterone

 

[Kittencel]

d do you have any fights?

Yeah, but only in K1 yet. And for the difference between enhanced Fighters and Natural I thanks its biggest in grappling exchanges

 

[accidentaljedi173]

Yeah, but only in K1 yet. And for the difference between enhanced Fighters and Natural I thanks its biggest in grappling exchanges

Again, I fail to see the advantages. I've grappled people far stronger than me with success. While, I've also grappled women alot smaller and weaker who worked me easily.

It sounds like you need to train more and refine some things. Gear will not make you a better fighter. Only fighting will

 

[Kittencel]

Again, I fail to see the advantages. I've grappled people far stronger than me with success. While, I've also grappled women alot smaller and weaker who worked me easily.

It sounds like you need to train more and refine some things. Gear will not make you a better fighter. Only fighting will

Are U saying strength doesn’t matter in grappling?
Somehow most grapplers see the advantage in PEDs but u don’t.. differences of opinion are normal ig

 

[accidentaljedi173]

Are U saying strength doesn’t matter in grappling?
Somehow most grapplers see the advantage in PEDs but u don’t.. differences of opinion are normal ig

I am absolutely saying it's unnecessary, I'm not saying there isn't advantages.