First cycle- Help/Feedback

[Kittencel]

Hey everyone,
I’ve been training seriously for a while now and have been reading and researching a lot. I recently turned 18 and I’m planning to run my first cycle soon, but I want to make sure I’m doing this as smart and informed as possible.


Stats:

• Age: 18
• Height: 181 cm
• Weight: ~80kg
• Body fat: ~15–18%

Planned Cycle:

• Testosterone Enanthate: 250 mg/week (split into 2 doses)
• Anavar: 20 mg/day
• HCG: 250 IU twice a week during the cycle
• PCT (Tamoxifen): 40/20/20/20 mg starting ~2 weeks after last Test E shot
• Cycle for 6-8weeks

QUESTION:
I know that at 18, the HPTA is still stabilizing and there are risks like long-term or even permanent suppression, fertility issues, and other endocrine problems. That’s why I’m trying to be as cautious as possible — but I also know some of you started young or have coached young guys and might have real insight into.

• What do you think of this cycle setup overall?
• Is there anything I’m missing or should adjust?
• How bad can long-term effects really be at 18?
• If you started young yourself, would you do it differently now?

 

[Nidus]

Nahhh. Wait until you're at least 22-25. Do the regular, cut/bulk and repeat. Unless you really need Test because of low T i wouldn't fuck it up for a little 250mg cruise.

 

[IndividualMan]

agree, unless you are ready to make a permanent descision of staying on for life (my recommended option), risking shutdown/downregulation for
250 test 20mg anavar is not worth it.

regarding the PCT I would recommend starting later (preferrably full clearance of the test e) instead of 2 weeks, due to ~1/4 of the test still being in your system at that point in time (assuming half life of 7 days for test E)


So either:
do what you were gonna do, but start the PCT ~1 month after the last shot of test e
OR
wait a bit (or a lot) longer. <-recommended by most sane people

(or blast & cruise for the rest of your life, but you do not seem to be in the position to decide if this is something to do for the rest of your life)

 

[accidentaljedi173]

If you actually researched you would be waiting to run anything. You'd also know that anavar is not a good choice for a first cycle.

 

[Juicedhead]

dude i started gear really young so listen to this and be honest with yourself. Do you plan on being a pro bodybuilder? Do you have the genetics to be a pro bodybuilder? If not then I wouldnt touch gear, the long term problems just arent worth it. And for a first cycle im a big believer in anavar only or an oral only. Again just my opinion you can do whatever you want but just keep that in mind dude its not a decision to be taken lightly.

 

[Ruru_Teh_seks]

I'm not going to dissuade you because I know you'll do it anyway, I just advise you to start higher than 250 and go up gradually

 

[Kittencel]

Nahhh. Wait until you're at least 22-25. Do the regular, cut/bulk and repeat. Unless you really need Test because of low T i wouldn't fuck it up for a little 250mg cruise.

I will probably do a blood test and get my test Level next week

 

[Kittencel]

agree, unless you are ready to make a permanent descision of staying on for life (my recommended option), risking shutdown/downregulation for
250 test 20mg anavar is not worth it.

regarding the PCT I would recommend starting later (preferrably full clearance of the test e) instead of 2 weeks, due to ~1/4 of the test still being in your system at that point in time (assuming half life of 7 days for test E)


So either:
do what you were gonna do, but start the PCT ~1 month after the last shot of test e
OR
wait a bit (or a lot) longer. <-recommended by most sane people

(or blast & cruise for the rest of your life, but you do not seem to be in the position to decide if this is something to do for the rest of your life)

Yeah, im Not so sure if I want to stay on for the Rest of my life, Could Imagine Doing a cycle every Winter, when I’m not competing. Thanks a lot on the advice for the pct

 

[Kittencel]

If you actually researched you would be waiting to run anything. You'd also know that anavar is not a good choice for a first cycle.

I’m aware of the risks starting Young Helds. I wann make a living of being an athlete and am willing to take some risks, but not unnecessary dumb risks. I was planning to take Anavar as it doesn’t increase my weigh a lot due to water retention, cause that would make me go up unnecessary weight classes and it isn’t that liver toxic.

 

[Juicedhead]

Yeah, im Not so sure if I want to stay on for the Rest of my life, Could Imagine Doing a cycle every Winter, when I’m not competing. Thanks a lot on the advice for the pct

If youre going to run test start at at least 350mg. Use hcg on cycle, and then clomid for pct but wait until the test has cleared like other dude said. You will be able to recover since youre young if you use hcg and pct properly.

 

[Kittencel]

dude i started gear really young so listen to this and be honest with yourself. Do you plan on being a pro bodybuilder? Do you have the genetics to be a pro bodybuilder? If not then I wouldnt touch gear, the long term problems just arent worth it. And for a first cycle im a big believer in anavar only or an oral only. Again just my opinion you can do whatever you want but just keep that in mind dude its not a decision to be taken lightly.

I don’t do bodybuilding, I’m an mma fighter. If u would do an oral only cycle what would u run/ advise me to run? As Anavar suppresses test I wouldn’t run it without a test base?

 

[Kittencel]

I'm not going to dissuade you because I know you'll do it anyway, I just advise you to start higher than 250 and go up gradually

Where would u start?

 

[Juicedhead]

If you actually researched you would be waiting to run anything. You'd also know that anavar is not a good choice for a first cycle.

why would you say anavar isnt a good choice? Its minor supressive, low sides, good gains, tolerable. Perfect for first run. Ive talked to high levels coaches who advice this for a fiest cycle.

 

[Kittencel]

If youre going to run test start at at least 350mg. Use hcg on cycle, and then clomid for pct but wait until the test has cleared like other dude said. You will be able to recover since youre young if you use hcg and pct properly.

Why start at 350mg? I would have to take an Ai aswell for that Dose and it would generally be much harder to control my E2 levels and therefore higher risk? Or not?

 

[Juicedhead]

I don’t do bodybuilding, I’m an mma fighter. If u would do an oral only cycle what would u run/ advise me to run? As Anavar suppresses test I wouldn’t run it without a test base?

anavar or tbol would be good choice for a fighter. Will increase performance drastically without shooting your weight up too high.

 

[Ruru_Teh_seks]

Where would u start?

350 seems to me a good starting point and take AI, Arimidex Aromasin of your choice

 

[IndividualMan]

Ah shit, you do MMA. Anavar is pretty good, because it lets you avoid testing positive due to its clearance time, which is approx. ~27 days. if you are being tested, i would really try to avoid PEDs, or look into getting a coach who specializes into getting through drug tests.

 

[Kittencel]

anavar or tbol would be good choice for a fighter. Will increase performance drastically without shooting your weight up too high.

As an oral only cycle? But don’t they both suppress my test? Linked with test which one would u recommend? Caus tbol is a bit more liver toxic? I would take milk thistle nevertheless as it also helped me recovering my liver from accutane so I don’t know if the liver toxicity makes such a difference

 

[Kittencel]

350 seems to me a good starting point and take AI, Arimidex Aromasin of your choice

Which dosage of ai? Would take aromasin

 

[Kittencel]

Ah shit, you do MMA. Anavar is pretty good, because it lets you avoid testing positive due to its clearance time, which is approx. ~27 days. if you are being tested, i would really try to avoid PEDs, or look into getting a coach who specializes into getting through drug tests.

I’m not getting tested yet so that isn’t a problem