First cycle advice for a leaner look with muscle growth

[dizzleskiiiii]

Hi guys, I’m completely new here so please don’t flame me if I have some of or all my info wrong, I’m here to learn from the experienced.

I want to start my first cycle, i would like to start orally first too test myself and my body out then proceed to a test.
I am open to all suggestions and discussions

Yes, I have used the search function a lot but still get some mixed answers. So please help a bro out

Week 1-6:
20mg Dbol / 50mg Anadrol or
20mg Dbol / 50mg Anavar
(I have searched this combo up, some people swear by this, some say this is completely dumb) let me know please

Then not sure if I should take a break after this or not
And proceed with
12 week: 250mg test c / with 4 weeks 20mg dbol

And of course have PCTs and AI

Let me know if this is completely dumb or a viable cycle , let me know your suggestions

Thanks

 

[combover]

Are you scared of needles?
Oral only is not a good idea.

 

[combover]

Just do standard test beginner cycle

 

[dizzleskiiiii]

Just do standard test beginner cycle

Definitely not a fan of them.
But I can put on my big boy underwear on and get over that fear. Gains are a priority lol
Just need some suggestions for my first cycle

 

[dizzleskiiiii]

By the way, I’m 26 years old
5’11”
195 pounds
%15-17 BF
And no permits for my 2 guns, (just kidding)

 

[HopHop79]

Definitely not a fan of them.
But I can put on my big boy underwear on and get over that fear. Gains are a priority lol
Just need some suggestions for my first cycle

If you are going to be jumping into the world of PEDs you’re going to use needles sooner or later. Skip the oral only, and run a test only cycle for 12 weeks for your first run. 250-500mg/week, no AI should be needed. While doing this you can experience a cycle and also do more research into what you want to do for the future.

 

[dizzleskiiiii]

If you are going to be jumping into the world of PEDs you’re going to use needles sooner or later. Skip the oral only, and run a test only cycle for 12 weeks for your first run. 250-500mg/week, no AI should be needed. While doing this you can experience a cycle and also do more research into what you want to do for the future.

Will this work?

Week 1-12: 250mg/week test c
Week 1-4: 20 mg dbol

I’m interested in dbol, heard it’s very nice to use as you gain crazy pumps

 

[HopHop79]

Will this work?

Week 1-12: 250mg/week test c
Week 1-4: 20 mg dbol

I’m interested in dbol, heard it’s very nice to use as you gain crazy pumps

I run orals at the end of the cycle while my test is high.

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

Starting out with a please don’t hurt my feelings and an oral only cycle….

If you read a single thing about AAS you’d know oral only is retarded.

Use test at 350-500 mg. Maybe an oral at the back end.

Do some more research on dosages and how to do this correctly.

 

[dizzleskiiiii]

I run orals at the end of the cycle while my test is high.

Really?
So you suggest just 12 weeks test c, nothing else
Then followed by 4 weeks orals?

 

[dizzleskiiiii]

Starting out with a please don’t hurt my feelings and an oral only cycle….

If you read a single thing about AAS you’d know oral only is retarded.

Use test at 350-500 mg. Maybe an oral at the back end.

Do some more research on dosages and how to do this correctly.

You can hurt my feelings, if I learn something from it. Right
That’s why I’m here, I don’t want want to do this wrong

 

[Pineapples4Puss]

You can hurt my feelings, if I learn something from it. Right
That’s why I’m here, I don’t want want to do this wrong

For sure stay away from the oral only. Look at some cycle logs to see how some formulate their cycles.

Also look into running hcg throughout your cycle. Or before your PCT.

Dr scally’s Power pct is a great place to start.

 

[HopHop79]

Really?
So you suggest just 12 weeks test c, nothing else
Then followed by 4 weeks orals?

weeks 1-12 test
Weeks 6/8-12 oral

Entire cycle is done at the end of week 12. PCT after.

 

[hudson98]

12 weeks of test e at 500mg, but first, get lean. your not going to grow lean at 15 percent just get fatter. make your cycle a cutting cycle, eat in a deficit, you will recomp. stop worrying about AI, if you can't handle a little test your probably made to get big. being lean will help you not worry about all this estrogen non-sense. also, if you don't plan to blast and cruise, your probably spinning your wheels. when you go off unless you have great genetics, you will lose most. the best thing you can to do avoid that is get strong as fuck and keep progressing after you use. Low volume strength training, diet should be perfect. your bf tells me you should focus on diet more. 300g pro, some fat, carbs pre and post, and a deficit id aim to lose 1-2lbs a week.

but alas, you want to get big, so your going to bulk at 17 percent to fill out the shirt. just trying to steer you in the right direction ive been there at 17 percent wearing that xl and xxl looking back what a clown I was with my big belly thinking I looked good

 

[dizzleskiiiii]

Ok how about this for a beginner cycle

My plan is now

Week 1-12: 250-500mg test e
Week 12-16: 20mg dbol daily
Week 17-20: stop (is this good, or should I just follow up with PCT right after)
Week 20-25: PCT

 

[HopHop79]

Ok how about this for a beginner cycle

My plan is now

Week 1-12: 250-500mg test e
Week 12-16: 20mg dbol daily
Week 17-20: stop (is this good, or should I just follow up with PCT right after)
Week 20-25: PCT

Run your orals WITH your test for the last 4-6 weeks so your total time on cycle is 12 weeks. I’ve never had to pct so research is your friend there. Don’t make your first cycle complicated. Keep it simple, and research more as you go.

 

[dizzleskiiiii]

Run your orals WITH your test for the last 4-6 weeks so your total time on cycle is 12 weeks. I’ve never had to pct so research is your friend there. Don’t make your first cycle complicated. Keep it simple, and research more as you go.

Ah I see run orals with the test, that makes sense. Fuck yeah.

Seems like I have a very simple, yet good plan for my first cycle.

Will do some blood work before I have all these on hand,

Will definitely make more posts when I’m going a long with this

Thanks bros

 

[lukiss96]

Will this work?

Week 1-12: 250mg/week test c
Week 1-4: 20 mg dbol

I’m interested in dbol, heard it’s very nice to use as you gain crazy pumps

What matters is your diet and training. Just take 250mg testosterone and train your ass off while eating right vs 500mg test + dbol 50mg and half ass, who's gonna win at the end of the day? I think you know the answer. So here it is - take the lowest amount you feel is right for you and don't waste your cycle by half assing training or diet.

 

[dizzleskiiiii]

What matters is your diet and training. Just take 250mg testosterone and train your ass off while eating right vs 500mg test + dbol 50mg and half ass, who's gonna win at the end of the day? I think you know the answer. So here it is - take the lowest amount you feel is right for you and don't waste your cycle by half assing training or diet.

I like this!
This was the plan!
Of course this is meant to enhance my hard work, not replace it
Thanks bro

 

[Evom1]

Use anavar instead of dbol given what your goals are