EQ - the way to go vascular?

[effswithtren]

LOL.. That was Jay's offseason cycle? 500 test, 600 EQ, and just a little Anadrol only a few days a week though. That's almost as bad as Dorian claiming he used 4iu of GH per day. I hope nobody is actually naive enough to believe this.

As a general rule when a pro lists what he takes per week I translate it to mean what he took per day.

 

[Trenbologna]

Greetings Meso brothers,

So I’d like to pick your brains about a complementary compound to add to my next cycle to start off 2022 with style and transform my physique nicely in time for summer.

Stats:

-207 lbs (94 kg)
-bf% relatively lean (see pic)
-6’1”
-23 y/o
-number of cycles: something way too much lol

Anyway, I’ve dicided on EQ not least because it’s so cost effective in comparison to Mast and Primo. I know this is a hit or miss; some guys swear by it while others detest it. Some might even de-test it as in not running any test with it haha, but I would never do that as I LOVE test and do B&C. I know I’m young to be B&C-ing but trust me it was the right decision for me personally.

This would be my first run with EQ. I’ve run multible cycles in the past with mostly test, var, mast, sdrol and tren. My primary focus in the past has been on bulking as I used to have very little mass. Now that I’m quite satisfied with my amount of muscle mass, it is time to cut and get some vascularity going for the summer season!
I acquired two bottles of MediTech EQ 400. I like this UGL a lot. And I’m ecstatic that the concentration is high. So 8 g of EQ in total in those two vials.

Scenario 1: I could pin 0,7 ml (280 mg) E4D along with my E4D Test E base which serves as my cruise base as well as my blast when I bump up the test. This way, I would have 16 weeks worth of EQ @ 490 mg/week.

Scenario 2: 1 ml (400 mg) E4D which would equal 700 mg of EQ/week for roughly 11 weeks.
As EQ should ideally be dosed higher AND be used longer, which option do you think is better, given that I only have those two 400 mg/ml vials?

I’m planning to bump my Test E to at least 750 mg/week for the entire cycle. I should note that I’m not at all sensitive to E2 so I’ve never needed an AI even when running a gram of test by itself. Since EQ may act as an AI, wouldn’t I be better off keeping my Test higher than my EQ?

I know EQ is known for increasing appetite but I have an easy time dieting despite hunger so I figure this combo cycle would be a great way to recomp for the summer and make sure those veins finally start poppin’ as I lower my bf% and hopefully add some quality lean muscle tissue as well. Also, if you could tell by the photo at what bf% I’m at currently, that’d be great.

I plan on donating blood during this cycle to take care of the increase in RBC. I’ll likely do it myself as I have a doctor in my family and I certainly don’t want to fuck up someone’s health by donating highly anabolic blood to a blood bank lol. Imagine if a female were to get my blood… she might as well start her transgender journey.

Finally, any anecdotal information regarding the EQ flu and the EQ anxiety? How did you mitigate the anxiety if it was an issue?

Appreciate any input and cycle advice - thanks! Hope ya’ll have a blast this year

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"-bf% relatively lean (see pic)"
"-number of cycles: something way too much lol"
"I’ve run multible cycles in the past with mostly test, var, mast, sdrol and tren. My primary focus in the past has been on bulking as I used to have very little mass. Now that I’m quite satisfied with my amount of muscle mass, it is time to cut and get some vascularity going for the summer season!"

This must be the funniest troll
in a while. Good fuckin stuff!

 

[lukiss96]

In guys whose metabolism really favors aromatization to E1 with it, it can even provide a dry, dense muscle.

Sorry to bump this, but does this mean that guys who have hard time dealing with elevated estrogen (symptoms) would benefit from equipoise? Could eq really help with estrogen control while using moderate test dose like 250-300mg?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Sorry to bump this, but does this mean that guys who have hard time dealing with elevated estrogen (symptoms) would benefit from equipoise? Could eq really help with estrogen control while using moderate test dose like 250-300mg?

Yes it can. That doesn’t mean use EQ for anti-e, but we know some compounds assist in estrogen control and creating cycles intelligently should include that concept.

 

[lukiss96]

Yes it can. That doesn’t mean use EQ for anti-e, but we know some compounds assist in estrogen control and creating cycles intelligently should include that concept.

No no, definitely not as a replacement for AI. I was just thinking of adding in equipoise and lowering the total amount of anastrozole needed when using testosterone.

Also, in your opinion what do you think of EQ, guys that are very big and advanced I notice don't really like equipoise, is it because it doesn't give that overall mass or is it really useless, what's your opinion of it?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

No no, definitely not as a replacement for AI. I was just thinking of adding in equipoise and lowering the total amount of anastrozole needed when using testosterone.

Also, in your opinion what do you think of EQ, guys that are very big and advanced I notice don't really like equipoise, is it because it doesn't give that overall mass or is it really useless, what's your opinion of it?

I used it for the first half of my bodybuilding career but no longer do. For growth I prefer deca/primo now. For prep I prefer mast/primo. I don’t have a place for EQ anymore, but that doesn’t mean it’s a shit drug.

 

[Type-IIx]

Sorry to bump this, but does this mean that guys who have hard time dealing with elevated estrogen (symptoms) would benefit from equipoise? Could eq really help with estrogen control while using moderate test dose like 250-300mg?

As Mac said, it assists with estrogen control but does not act as an anti-E. It leads to sub-normal E2 when used by itself (like Deca) but it is an aromatizable androgen.

It can certainly be used with 250 - 300 mg test as the primary aromatizable androgen in a bulking/off-season cycle and will promote a drier look than high test.

Most guys prefer high test though. You just feel good on high test. And most guys realize that deca is just so much more anabolic as Mac indicated as well.

EQ is not the best tolerated drug, even though women use it, it often causes acne and anxiety if you've never used it, just a risk to bear in mind; it's one of the less tolerable injectables in popular use.

 

[lukiss96]

As Mac said, it assists with estrogen control but does not act as an anti-E. It leads to sub-normal E2 when used by itself (like Deca) but it is an aromatizable androgen.

It can certainly be used with 250 - 300 mg test as the primary aromatizable androgen in a bulking/off-season cycle and will promote a drier look than high test.

Most guys prefer high test though. You just feel good on high test. And most guys realize that deca is just so much more anabolic as Mac indicated as well.

EQ is not the best tolerated drug, even though women use it, it often causes acne and anxiety if you've never used it, just a risk to bear in mind; it's one of the less tolerable injectables in popular use.

Cool thanks man, appreciate that!

 

[ar7353]

As Mac said, it assists with estrogen control but does not act as an anti-E. It leads to sub-normal E2 when used by itself (like Deca) but it is an aromatizable androgen.

It can certainly be used with 250 - 300 mg test as the primary aromatizable androgen in a bulking/off-season cycle and will promote a drier look than high test.

Most guys prefer high test though. You just feel good on high test. And most guys realize that deca is just so much more anabolic as Mac indicated as well.

EQ is not the best tolerated drug, even though women use it, it often causes acne and anxiety if you've never used it, just a risk to bear in mind; it's one of the less tolerable injectables in popular use.

Have you or someone else done a full write up on EQ and estrogen? Anecdotally, I had single digit estrogen levels on test/EQ, but I didn’t have any noticeable low estrogen side effects. I felt pretty damn good actually, which seems surprising with “tanked” E2.

I know there is a lot of debate and experiences vary with primo and estrogen, but it seems like there is a bit more of a consensus on EQ and estrogen. I’m just not aware of what exactly that consensus is.

 

[Type-IIx]

Have you or someone else done a full write up on EQ and estrogen? Anecdotally, I had single digit estrogen levels on test/EQ, but I didn’t have any noticeable low estrogen side effects. I felt pretty damn good actually, which seems surprising with “tanked” E2.

I know there is a lot of debate and experiences vary with primo and estrogen, but it seems like there is a bit more of a consensus on EQ and estrogen. I’m just not aware of what exactly that consensus is.

I have not written extensively about EQ. With respect to its aromatization and estrogenicity, it aromatizes at 58% the rate of testosterone (to estradiol and principally to estrone, E1). E1 is a weak estrogen with only 2% of the ERα potency of E2.

Primo actually lowers serum E2 and does not aromatize, while low-moderate dose EQ aromatizes and tends to cause sub-normal E2. Those who report low estrogen symptoms either use too low a dose of EQ or metabolically favor aromatization to E1, or both, basically.

 

[Jurgen]

I used it for the first half of my bodybuilding career but no longer do. For growth I prefer deca/primo now. For prep I prefer mast/primo. I don’t have a place for EQ anymore, but that doesn’t mean it’s a shit drug.

Ive been planning Test/NPP/Mast adrol for my next bulk, or would the mast be a waste? i was going to run it so i can run higher test, but it was just an idea.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Ive been planning Test/NPP/Mast adrol for my next bulk, or would the mast be a waste? i was going to run it so i can run higher test, but it was just an idea.

Alongside nand is fine. I don’t like NPP and would go with deca but that’s me. Most advanced guys I’ve talked to don’t get the same from NPP as they do deca.

 

[cmK9s33]

Alongside nand is fine. I don’t like NPP and would go with deca but that’s me. Most advanced guys I’ve talked to don’t get the same from NPP as they do deca.

Why do you think that might be? It's the same drug. Different ester but same drug so assuming proper dosing frequency there shouldn't be any difference.

 

[cmK9s33]

I have not written extensively about EQ. With respect to its aromatization and estrogenicity, it aromatizes at 58% the rate of testosterone (to estradiol and principally to estrone, E1).

Can you point me to that citation please? I've been trying to find something that definitively states that any time this comes up.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Why do you think that might be? It's the same drug. Different ester but same drug so assuming proper dosing frequency there shouldn't be any difference.

I honestly have no idea. Wish I did. But I’ve gotten that response regularly from my peers.

 

[Type-IIx]

Can you point me to that citation please? I've been trying to find something that definitively states that any time this comes up.

Gual, C., Morato, T., Hayano, M., Gut, M., & Dorfman, R. I. (1962). Biosynthesis of Estrogens. Endocrinology, 71(6), 920–925. doi:10.1210/endo-71-6-920

 

[Jurgen]

I honestly have no idea. Wish I did. But I’ve gotten that response regularly from my peers.

Sometimes anecdotal reports are all we get with this type of stuff.
First time running it so I figured short ester would be best. Maybe it’s the more consistent levels would be my guess but who knows.
Maybe I’ll try devs next time if I respond well to NPP.

 

[effswithtren]

Sometimes anecdotal reports are all we get with this type of stuff.
First time running it so I figured short ester would be best. Maybe it’s the more consistent levels would be my guess but who knows.
Maybe I’ll try devs next time if I respond well to NPP.

I’m small time so like, fuck me and all that, but I’ve had similar results too. I looked better while on NPP than deca with noticeably less bloat, but once I came off I didn’t look a lot different than when I started. With deca I was noticeably beefier than before. Sample size of one and all that, just thought I’d chime in that it went similarly for me.