EO vs bad pin vs volume.

[oldage]

Just sharing some info about my experience with some recent gear. Think I have it figured out but maybe some more experiments to come.

Little info: started pinning new gear for the start of a new cycle. I am on TRT+ and this is my first run at higher volumes. Using ratios that have worked for me at lower doses.

I like the idea of front loading. So first pin was 700mg/2.8ml TC into my left quad. I like pinning quads and delts. Nice and smooth. Nothing out of ordinary. 2nd day noticed some PIP and stiffness. Nothing bad. 3rd day, wholly hell. My quad was swollen and bad pip. No redness, no signs of infection, not hot to touch. As time went on and into the forth day my leg was swollen like I had been stung by a bee but pip had gone down.

Now not being to smart I decided i fucked up the pin somehow. So on the 3rd day I pinned 100mg TC, 250mg Primo, and 200mg NPP. (1.6ml roughly) Same thing happened to my right quad. And now Im sapposed to go to a EOD pinning. I should note I have pinned all 3 of these from the same source in much smaller amounts every 3rd day and never seen a reaction. The vial of TC I had already previously been using.

Because of these reactions I switched over my product to another source. 70mg Primo/60mg NPP, 100mg TC, every other day. And because both quads are messed up (leg day was brutal), I pinned my delts. About 1ml. No reaction once I switched over vendors.

I am not sure if I messed up two pins royally, my body hates EO, or its the volume that got me.

Damn... cuz if its the EO and I can only tolerate small amounts... I've got 10 years of TRT ong hand.

 

[bananafeet]

Just sharing some info about my experience with some recent gear. Think I have it figured out but maybe some more experiments to come.

Little info: started pinning new gear for the start of a new cycle. I am on TRT+ and this is my first run at higher volumes. Using ratios that have worked for me at lower doses.

I like the idea of front loading. So first pin was 700mg/2.8ml TC into my left quad. I like pinning quads and delts. Nice and smooth. Nothing out of ordinary. 2nd day noticed some PIP and stiffness. Nothing bad. 3rd day, wholly hell. My quad was swollen and bad pip. No redness, no signs of infection, not hot to touch. As time went on and into the forth day my leg was swollen like I had been stung by a bee but pip had gone down.

Now not being to smart I decided i fucked up the pin somehow. So on the 3rd day I pinned 100mg TC, 250mg Primo, and 200mg NPP. (1.6ml roughly) Same thing happened to my right quad. And now Im sapposed to go to a EOD pinning. I should note I have pinned all 3 of these from the same source in much smaller amounts every 3rd day and never seen a reaction. The vial of TC I had already previously been using.

Because of these reactions I switched over my product to another source. 70mg Primo/60mg NPP, 100mg TC, every other day. And because both quads are messed up (leg day was brutal), I pinned my delts. About 1ml. No reaction once I switched over vendors.

I am not sure if I messed up two pins royally, my body hates EO, or its the volume that got me.

Damn... cuz if its the EO and I can only tolerate small amounts... I've got 10 years of TRT ong hand.

Hey bro had a similar experience.

EO is very thin. If you inject quickly you will blow up like a balloon due to bruising from the oil speed. It's basically a water retention swelling with no redness. I had a bit of shoulder impingement due to that. I shot it in my delt in 3 seconds flat. Next day BOOM swollen shoulder. Did the other one but super slow and no issues.

Take it super slow as it's easy to inject quickly. I also recommend atleast 3/4" deep and only 0.5ml per site in the beginning.

 

[RockyP]

Which injections had the EO in them? The first 2? Or the last one?

Hard to say, but just as an FYI there is a LOT of misinformation out there about EO. It is not toxic like Guiacol. Some people do get rashes / lumps and increased CRP from it, which can happen with any carrier oil such as Mig840, which is supposed to be ultra premium and non-inflammatory. What I'm saying is, it could be the EO, but I would place it lower on the list than you might think in terms of most likely culprit.

The swelling without redness / warmth / itching makes me think less an issue of carrier oil and perhaps moreseo due to solvents. That second pin looks pretty concentrated. 550 mg of gear in 1.6 ml, especially with primo in there. Without EO that's def a recipe for some pip.

 

[oldage]

1st 2 were with EO. PIP is just PIp to me. Its when i see it accompanied by the swelling, like water retention which then has restricted some of the movement in my knee. So leg day was PIP with some fat f#cking legs/knees. Almost like the were gonna burst at the bottom of the motion for squatting. Lol

Gone down finally

What bannanafeet described is exactly how I would describe what happened. I usually just inject quickly too. I guess 3rd time with the original vendor should be the charm???? Maybe, because I already use a 1 inch 25g.

 

[oldage]

End result.... Quick trip to doc, it was reaction to EO or carrier oil. Im one of the few that has allergic reaction to it. Prednisone for 5 days.

 

[bananafeet]

Do you wanna share what oils you were using? Maybe other people are having similar issues.

Are you sure it's not a reaction to the preservatives. Like benzyl alcohol and benzyl benzoate.

 

[oldage]

Positive I have been using BA and BB for 2 plus years now. Only thing added is EO. Oil could be a blend of MCT's. But been using MCT for a year.

I did some research and the reason the pharmaceutical companies discontinued using EO is for this exact reason. I want to say it was somewhere in the 5% range of the population that reacts negatively to it and 1 to 3% have allergic reactions to it.

 

[bananafeet]

Positive I have been using BA and BB for 2 plus years now. Only thing added is EO. Oil could be a blend of MCT's. But been using MCT for a year.

I did some research and the reason the pharmaceutical companies discontinued using EO is for this exact reason. I want to say it was somewhere in the 5% range of the population that reacts negatively to it and 1 to 3% have allergic reactions to it.

Does your gear list ethyl oleate as the excipient?

 

[oldage]

Yes...... but Injust had a major, I fucked up moment.

I used Test E not C.

Im gonna try the same blend and concentrations using the same primo and npp from first batch and test c from original vendor.

So only thing changing is ester of test from the two shots that caused a bad reaction. These will have the EO in it.

Ill try left delt tomorrow and report back.

 

[HeatherSwanson]

Test E is mostly Delta-6 test E, which is PIP dot com. Ghoul was ranting about it before his absence. I can't use it at all now. Test c only for me

 

[oldage]

Its the crazy water retention that traveled down my leg that has me confused, knee and ankle swollen. Doc sad from bad reaction to shot. He probably.dowsnt know the difference between esters.

 

[bananafeet]

Test E is mostly Delta-6 test E, which is PIP dot com. Ghoul was ranting about it before his absence. I can't use it at all now. Test c only for me

Test E that had a lot of PIP contained that compound as a contaminant.

Thread 'Δ6-testosterone enanthate'

Thread 'Δ6-testosterone enanthate'

May 28, 2021

A supposedly very PIP inducing raw powder of testosterone enanthate has been received.
Analysis for heptanoic acid yielded negative result, so I decided to dig deeper and a massive contamination of testosterone enanthate with.... testosterone enanthate was found.

However not the usual kind, but delta 6 testosterone enanthate, which is listed, at least in European Pharmacopoeia, as "Impurity F" with maximum permissible limit of 0.3%.

In this case, by very brute approximation, 15.46% of delta 6 testosterone enanthate was found.

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[oldage]

Ya, synthetic testosterone vs bioidentical. Apparently known to cause bad PIP and swelling. The fact that I pinned 700mg the first go and 100mg the 2nd time..... the first pin was rough. Thats the leg with edema currently.

Probably gonna do things a little bit different next time, like not grabbing the wrong AAS. I have 30 vials per case and one was in the wrong spot. Live and learn. ive already relabeled to make sure that won't happen agian.

 

[Billbo98]

Just sharing some info about my experience with some recent gear. Think I have it figured out but maybe some more experiments to come.

Little info: started pinning new gear for the start of a new cycle. I am on TRT+ and this is my first run at higher volumes. Using ratios that have worked for me at lower doses.

I like the idea of front loading. So first pin was 700mg/2.8ml TC into my left quad. I like pinning quads and delts. Nice and smooth. Nothing out of ordinary. 2nd day noticed some PIP and stiffness. Nothing bad. 3rd day, wholly hell. My quad was swollen and bad pip. No redness, no signs of infection, not hot to touch. As time went on and into the forth day my leg was swollen like I had been stung by a bee but pip had gone down.

Now not being to smart I decided i fucked up the pin somehow. So on the 3rd day I pinned 100mg TC, 250mg Primo, and 200mg NPP. (1.6ml roughly) Same thing happened to my right quad. And now Im sapposed to go to a EOD pinning. I should note I have pinned all 3 of these from the same source in much smaller amounts every 3rd day and never seen a reaction. The vial of TC I had already previously been using.

Because of these reactions I switched over my product to another source. 70mg Primo/60mg NPP, 100mg TC, every other day. And because both quads are messed up (leg day was brutal), I pinned my delts. About 1ml. No reaction once I switched over vendors.

I am not sure if I messed up two pins royally, my body hates EO, or its the volume that got me.

Damn... cuz if its the EO and I can only tolerate small amounts... I've got 10 years of TRT ong hand.

Bro one thing is it looks like you have high mg/ml compounds which is no good and will always pip especially if you’re pinning these massive volumes. To have this work need to split all these up and pin more frequently or more overall in the same day. Don’t exceed 1ml in one spot at once and you may be alright. Who tf pins 700mg of test cyp in their quad in one go!?

 

[bananafeet]

Bro one thing is it looks like you have high mg/ml compounds which is no good and will always pip especially if you’re pinning these massive volumes. To have this work need to split all these up and pin more frequently or more overall in the same day. Don’t exceed 1ml in one spot at once and you may be alright. Who tf pins 700mg of test cyp in their quad in one go!?

Yeah until he actually shows us what he injected it's very unclear. Blaming EO when it's probably high solvent gear.

 

[oldage]

I hope its not the EO. But u guys right. To many variables. Plus the TE is higher solvent. I really fucked up with that. The Test C has less solvent in it. Ill find out tomorrow if it was the test E or not.

 

[Billbo98]

Sounds like you’re NPP is to I’m guessing it’s 200mg/ml that’s very high

 

[bananafeet]

This forum is wild. People think benzyl benzoate is harmless and freak out about EO. It's literally been implicated in severe reactions:

Anaphylaxis Triggered by Benzyl Benzoate in a Preparation of Depot Testosterone Undecanoate - PMC

We report the first case of an anaphylactic reaction to Reandron 1000 (depot testosterone undecanoate with a castor oil and benzyl benzoate vehicle). While considered to have a favourable safety profile, serious complications such as oil embolism ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

It was with nebido which is very high BB.

Don't use high mg gear.... Ever

Edit: here is the product that cause the anaphylactic. It's loaded with BB:

 

[Billbo98]

This forum is wild. People think benzyl benzoate is harmless and freak out about EO. It's literally been implicated in severe reactions:

Anaphylaxis Triggered by Benzyl Benzoate in a Preparation of Depot Testosterone Undecanoate - PMC

We report the first case of an anaphylactic reaction to Reandron 1000 (depot testosterone undecanoate with a castor oil and benzyl benzoate vehicle). While considered to have a favourable safety profile, serious complications such as oil embolism ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

It was with nebido which is very high BB.

Don't use high mg gear.... Ever

Edit: here is the product that cause the anaphylactic. It's loaded with BB:
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Yup!!! People are just ignorant man lmao. They’ll get like 500/600mg/ml shit that is so solvent heavy then go why do I have PIP so bad!? Like cmon man…smfh. EO is actually used in Pharma meds it’s not the boogeyman like shitfluencers will have you believe it is.

 

[bananafeet]

Yup!!! People are just ignorant man lmao. They’ll get like 500/600mg/ml shit that is so solvent heavy then go why do I have PIP so bad!? Like cmon man…smfh. EO is actually used in Pharma meds it’s not the boogeyman like shitfluencers will have you believe it is.

It's not OPs fault. Life is always the most simple explanation.

People always worry about the wrong metrics.