Drugs to get lean faster!!

[A12]

Hello everyone,
I’m 24 years old, 6’3”, 230 lbs, currently sitting at around 30% body fat.
Over the past year and a half, I’ve gone from 20% to 30% body fat. My diet has been garbage.
I’m looking at needing to drop 40 pounds to get down to 15% body fat. That’s going to take me approximately 5 months on a 1,000-calorie deficit per day. I definitely don’t want to cut for that long.

Never used gear,
tried GLPs don’t like them (can’t eat my protein)
Tried low dose DNP 100 a day, it was great.

Plan
• 250mg DNP per day for 2 weeks
• Followed by 2 weeks of Clenbuterol or ECA stack
• Alternate between DNP and Clen/ECA in 2-week blocks
• 250mg Testosterone a week throughout to maintain muscle fullness and prevent excessive loss. Also have an AI on hand cause I’ll definitely aromatize heavy at my bf%

Does this approach seem reasonable? Open to feedback or suggestions on optimizing it. Specifically, I’d appreciate input on what you guys would do in my position if you wanted to speed this up while minimizing muscle loss?

 

[The Answ3r]

Where you rushing off to, man? You’re not stepping on a bodybuilding stage next month. Drop the DNP idea - that stuff’s more “go blind for abs” than anything else. It’s really meant for seasoned competitors trying to shave off the last 1–2% body fat, not for cutting down from 30%.

Clenbuterol? Hard pass. At your current body fat, you’re way more likely to rack up nasty side effects - high blood pressure, heart palpitations, anxiety than actual results.

Now, about the 250mg test - that’s already a mini cycle. If you’re new to gear, maybe consider a TRT dose (100–125mg/week) instead. But that’s your call. Just don’t think test alone will magically melt the fat - especially at 30% BF.

As for GLP-1s, sounds like sema didn’t work out, but Tirz should hit differently. First couple weeks can be tough for getting in enough protein, but look into Reta - appetite stays in check, and you can still eat properly.

If you really want to drop fat fast, stay healthy, and keep your muscle, here’s the 100% no-BS plan:

1. Use GLP-1 (Tirz or Reta).
2. Run an RFL-style diet by Lyle McDonald (aka PMSF around here).
3. Train 3x/week with weights.
4. Skip the cardio if you want - just walk 10–12K steps a day.

That combo works like a charm - fat melts, muscles stay, and no need to gamble with your organs.

And hey, if you’re still thinking about DNP, maybe just sniff the jar, remind yourself you enjoy having eyesight, and walk away.

 

[pewex]

Where you rushing off to, man? You’re not stepping on a bodybuilding stage next month. Drop the DNP idea - that stuff’s more “go blind for abs” than anything else. It’s really meant for seasoned competitors trying to shave off the last 1–2% body fat, not for cutting down from 30%.

Clenbuterol? Hard pass. At your current body fat, you’re way more likely to rack up nasty side effects - high blood pressure, heart palpitations, anxiety than actual results.

Now, about the 250mg test - that’s already a mini cycle. If you’re new to gear, maybe consider a TRT dose (100–125mg/week) instead. But that’s your call. Just don’t think test alone will magically melt the fat - especially at 30% BF.

As for GLP-1s, sounds like sema didn’t work out, but Tirz should hit differently. First couple weeks can be tough for getting in enough protein, but look into Reta - appetite stays in check, and you can still eat properly.

If you really want to drop fat fast, stay healthy, and keep your muscle, here’s the 100% no-BS plan:

1. Use GLP-1 (Tirz or Reta).
2. Run an RFL-style diet by Lyle McDonald (aka PMSF around here).
3. Train 3x/week with weights.
4. Skip the cardio if you want - just walk 10–12K steps a day.

That combo works like a charm - fat melts, muscles stay, and no need to gamble with your organs.

And hey, if you’re still thinking about DNP, maybe just sniff the jar, remind yourself you enjoy having eyesight, and walk away.

This! @Anat just gave you a perfect blue print to lose fat in your case.

It amazes me how people spend years gaining fat and then expect to lose it all in a few weeks with some drugs.

 

[A12]

Where you rushing off to, man? You’re not stepping on a bodybuilding stage next month. Drop the DNP idea - that stuff’s more “go blind for abs” than anything else. It’s really meant for seasoned competitors trying to shave off the last 1–2% body fat, not for cutting down from 30%.

Clenbuterol? Hard pass. At your current body fat, you’re way more likely to rack up nasty side effects - high blood pressure, heart palpitations, anxiety than actual results.

Now, about the 250mg test - that’s already a mini cycle. If you’re new to gear, maybe consider a TRT dose (100–125mg/week) instead. But that’s your call. Just don’t think test alone will magically melt the fat - especially at 30% BF.

As for GLP-1s, sounds like sema didn’t work out, but Tirz should hit differently. First couple weeks can be tough for getting in enough protein, but look into Reta - appetite stays in check, and you can still eat properly.

If you really want to drop fat fast, stay healthy, and keep your muscle, here’s the 100% no-BS plan:

1. Use GLP-1 (Tirz or Reta).
2. Run an RFL-style diet by Lyle McDonald (aka PMSF around here).
3. Train 3x/week with weights.
4. Skip the cardio if you want - just walk 10–12K steps a day.

That combo works like a charm - fat melts, muscles stay, and no need to gamble with your organs.

And hey, if you’re still thinking about DNP, maybe just sniff the jar, remind yourself you enjoy having eyesight, and walk away.

DNP messes with your eyesight ?

 

[A12]

DNP messes with your eyesight ?

DNP messes with your eyesight ?

ohh shit DNP causes cataracts. I just googled DNP and eyesight

 

[The Answ3r]

DNP messes with your eyesight ?

Yes, it can. One of the rare but serious side effects of DNP is optic neuropathy, which can lead to blurred vision or even permanent vision loss - especially with prolonged use or high doses. It’s not super common, but definitely not a risk to brush off just to drop a few extra pounds. Better safe than blind.

 

[Stealth500]

 

[Evom1]

I’m 24 years old, 6’3”, 230 lbs, currently sitting at around 30% body fat.
Over the past year and a half, I’ve gone from 20% to 30% body fat. My diet has been garbage.
I’m looking at needing to drop 40 pounds to get down to 15% body fat.

If you feel like you can't do this in a few months without drugs, hire a knowledgeable coach. Getting from your current stats down to 15% definitely does not require gear and to use a glp-1 for that small of a weight loss is absurd.

Not having the knowledge to do it on your own is ok, but hire on a good coach and they can drop that weight off you in no time while not negatively impacting your health. Definitely will not take 5 months to do that.

 

[BigDadd7]

Where you rushing off to, man? You’re not stepping on a bodybuilding stage next month. Drop the DNP idea - that stuff’s more “go blind for abs” than anything else. It’s really meant for seasoned competitors trying to shave off the last 1–2% body fat, not for cutting down from 30%.

Clenbuterol? Hard pass. At your current body fat, you’re way more likely to rack up nasty side effects - high blood pressure, heart palpitations, anxiety than actual results.

Now, about the 250mg test - that’s already a mini cycle. If you’re new to gear, maybe consider a TRT dose (100–125mg/week) instead. But that’s your call. Just don’t think test alone will magically melt the fat - especially at 30% BF.

As for GLP-1s, sounds like sema didn’t work out, but Tirz should hit differently. First couple weeks can be tough for getting in enough protein, but look into Reta - appetite stays in check, and you can still eat properly.

If you really want to drop fat fast, stay healthy, and keep your muscle, here’s the 100% no-BS plan:

1. Use GLP-1 (Tirz or Reta).
2. Run an RFL-style diet by Lyle McDonald (aka PMSF around here).
3. Train 3x/week with weights.
4. Skip the cardio if you want - just walk 10–12K steps a day.

That combo works like a charm - fat melts, muscles stay, and no need to gamble with your organs.

And hey, if you’re still thinking about DNP, maybe just sniff the jar, remind yourself you enjoy having eyesight, and walk away.

This is the only reasonable plan. There are no magic fatBgone pills. You need to fix your atrocious diet and lifestyle.

 

[Doodle]

DNP messes with your eyesight ?

I always chime in on this. Yes very much so.

I went completely blind. Within 2 months maybe. Rapid cataract build up. Literally couldn’t see anything but white. I had cataract surgery. It was a few years ago and it still feels unreal to me.

I also had peripheral neuropathy in my feet. They went numb and were painful as hell to walk barefoot. It’s almost better now after those years.

OP don’t fuck around with DNP. It’s not worth it.

 

[Sixtynine]

Hello everyone,
I’m 24 years old, 6’3”, 230 lbs, currently sitting at around 30% body fat.
Over the past year and a half, I’ve gone from 20% to 30% body fat. My diet has been garbage.
I’m looking at needing to drop 40 pounds to get down to 15% body fat. That’s going to take me approximately 5 months on a 1,000-calorie deficit per day. I definitely don’t want to cut for that long.

Never used gear,
tried GLPs don’t like them (can’t eat my protein)
Tried low dose DNP 100 a day, it was great.

Plan
• 250mg DNP per day for 2 weeks
• Followed by 2 weeks of Clenbuterol or ECA stack
• Alternate between DNP and Clen/ECA in 2-week blocks
• 250mg Testosterone a week throughout to maintain muscle fullness and prevent excessive loss. Also have an AI on hand cause I’ll definitely aromatize heavy at my bf%

Does this approach seem reasonable? Open to feedback or suggestions on optimizing it. Specifically, I’d appreciate input on what you guys would do in my position if you wanted to speed this up while minimizing muscle loss?

I once lost 50+ lbs in 12 weeks through diet and exercise. I no doubt lost muscle but I was aggressively trying to lose weight for a weight loss competition at work. I won $500. No drugs whatsoever. It's only 3 months. Just start eating right, you'll learn to enjoy it.

 

[oldmanwilliams]

Stop being soft and use Semaglutide and just.....make yourself eat your protein. Protein shakes are easier to get down so use those.

The GLP-1 drugs are the biggest gift, so use them. The other stuff is a waste of time. Semaglutide.......will ensure you don't screw up and blow it. It provides the discipline that you need so you don't crash and binge eat yourself into fatness.

Unfortunately, while possible, it is unlikely you will lose this much fat in 5 months. It may take you a year because there are always set backs and life is life.

I know you are kind of manic and optimistic, but your plan is not gonna happen.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Stop being soft and use Semaglutide and just.....make yourself eat your protein. Protein shakes are easier to get down so use those.

The GLP-1 drugs are the biggest gift, so use them. The other stuff is a waste of time. Semaglutide.......will ensure you don't screw up and blow it. It provides the discipline that you need so you don't crash and binge eat yourself into fatness.

Unfortunately, while possible, it is unlikely you will lose this much fat in 5 months. It may take you a year because there are always set backs and life is life.

I know you are kind of manic and optimistic, but your plan is not gonna happen.

dude. giving him too much credit.

either he is a troll or doesnt have the willpower to drop from 30 to 20% bodyfat.

I have dropped 40 lbs in 3 months(30% to 20%), kept it off and never regained that weight as a natty.

if he cannot control himself now at his young age, he will never have the discipline for the future.

 

[bubba618]

Hello everyone,
I’m 24 years old, 6’3”, 230 lbs, currently sitting at around 30% body fat.
Over the past year and a half, I’ve gone from 20% to 30% body fat. My diet has been garbage.
I’m looking at needing to drop 40 pounds to get down to 15% body fat. That’s going to take me approximately 5 months on a 1,000-calorie deficit per day. I definitely don’t want to cut for that long.

Never used gear,
tried GLPs don’t like them (can’t eat my protein)
Tried low dose DNP 100 a day, it was great.

Plan
• 250mg DNP per day for 2 weeks
• Followed by 2 weeks of Clenbuterol or ECA stack
• Alternate between DNP and Clen/ECA in 2-week blocks
• 250mg Testosterone a week throughout to maintain muscle fullness and prevent excessive loss. Also have an AI on hand cause I’ll definitely aromatize heavy at my bf%

Does this approach seem reasonable? Open to feedback or suggestions on optimizing it. Specifically, I’d appreciate input on what you guys would do in my position if you wanted to speed this up while minimizing muscle loss?

Clean up your way of eating - I recommend low carb/ketogenic eating. If you don't make this change, nothing else will make a difference.

Try a different GLP-1RA like tirzepatide. Semaglutide has the strongest appetite suppression of them all, so if you can't eat on it try tirzepatide. If you still can't eat on tirzepatide (lower doses), try retatrutide. They are all far safer than DNP, clenbuterol, etc.

Get your ass moving doing an hour LISS every day. For fuck's sake just walk 5k a day at a decent clip and you'll see results in body composition. If you want to see better recomp at a faster clip, do your LISS 3-4 days per week and lift heavy on the other days.

And for god's sake don't just try an extreme caloric reduction over an extended period of time as that will slow your metabolism and screw up your basal metabolic rate. Eat healthy and get moving. Use a restricted eating window of 4-6 hrs per day for a couple of months if you'd like to - I did and it worked for me, but your mileage might vary.

 

[Rippidy Dippidy]

Go keto and OMAD and then reverse diet out of it. You could dump 40lbs in 6 weeks. Then use the saved time to have more gains. Abbs in time for summer if you're in the northern hemisphere

So you expect him to go on a 3300 calorie deficit for 40 days to drop 40lbs? This might be equally as dumb as taking a handful of drugs just to get to an easy 15% bf.

 

[Rippidy Dippidy]

Hate to break it to you man you need to stop being such a fucking pussy and clean your diet up. You or anyone else doesn’t need fucking drugs to get down from being 30% bf. Comes down to laziness, stop being so lazy and stop eating. It’s that simple. You’re gonna fuck yourself up doing a grocery list of drugs just to drop some weight THAT YOU WILL just put back on judging by this lazy mindset you seem to have. Fix your mindset first, then do it the right way 500-800 cal deficit each day. Make it a life style change and when you need to go back to maint, ease into it. Don’t destroy or risk your health doing the easiest thing on the planet and that’s not listening to your taste buds.
Fuck the drugs, take the time and patience and do it YOURSELF.

 

[AlexDavis43]

Go keto and OMAD and then reverse diet out of it. You could dump 40lbs in 6 weeks. Then use the saved time to have more gains. Abbs in time for summer if you're in the northern hemisphere

OP is worried about getting his protein in, presumably to preserve muscle mass on this cut.

Keto + OMAD is the least muscle preserving approach.

In combination with testosterone, resistance training & cardio, and sleep hygiene, the only other drug would be a GLP1. Assuming he has a clue about diet.

 

[Dxt25]

Alot of us are former fat fucks and alot of wisdom, experience and knowledge is being shared here! Leave the drugs out and start by cutting out all the junk especially sugar and alcohol. Just by doing that you will start to lose weight. Start eating clean and counting your calories, use an online calculator to help you see where you need to be. The most important part here is having the discipline and saying I CAN DO THIS! You’re young leave the drugs out.

 

[primojuju]

Hello everyone,
I’m 24 years old, 6’3”, 230 lbs, currently sitting at around 30% body fat.
Over the past year and a half, I’ve gone from 20% to 30% body fat. My diet has been garbage.
I’m looking at needing to drop 40 pounds to get down to 15% body fat. That’s going to take me approximately 5 months on a 1,000-calorie deficit per day. I definitely don’t want to cut for that long.

Never used gear,
tried GLPs don’t like them (can’t eat my protein)
Tried low dose DNP 100 a day, it was great.

Plan
• 250mg DNP per day for 2 weeks
• Followed by 2 weeks of Clenbuterol or ECA stack
• Alternate between DNP and Clen/ECA in 2-week blocks
• 250mg Testosterone a week throughout to maintain muscle fullness and prevent excessive loss. Also have an AI on hand cause I’ll definitely aromatize heavy at my bf%

Does this approach seem reasonable? Open to feedback or suggestions on optimizing it. Specifically, I’d appreciate input on what you guys would do in my position if you wanted to speed this up while minimizing muscle loss?

Before you start any of this you should decide what you will do once you get to your goal. Lots of people can lose weight, it's practicing and succeeding with maintenance calories in the long term that is the hard part. Once you get to your physique you just gunna drop all the fat burning drugs and stop weighing food? Start slacking in the gym? Maybe scale down morning cardio? Like most you will gain it back. What then? You gunna do this crazy cut every year? @Spaceman Spiff hit it on the head with the first post, it's a lifestyle problem first and foremost.

You have a lot of tools at your disposal with this forum, and the only 3 i would recommend are 1. A food scale 2. A glp drug 3.HRT
I would very much encourage a young person like you to skip the oxidative stress of DNP. It is effective, but as most everyone has heard "If you need to use DNP, you have started dieting too late." You dont have a show to win, you dont have sponsors you need appease, you have many bulks and cuts ahead of you, play the long game here and save the heavy hitters. There is always a time and a place for them, and this aint it kid.

 

[Stealth500]

Keto + OMAD is the least muscle preserving approach.

if i eat one meal a day imo it's just torturing myself to engorge during a small window.. i will eat a normal meal and do not feel satiated at all and proceed to eat more and more and more. Until I've consumed the same amount of calories, in fact probably more and of lesser quality because I'll be grabbing whatever is ready at hand as opposed to having planned meals throughout the day.

Other restrictive diets like keto don't do me any favors either. If a person can put in enough effort to follow a keto diet and severely restrict carb intake. They should have the willpower to adhere to a balanced diet and plan calories according to their needs.


View: https://youtu.be/uwlP748sKYk?si=ojVq8HxrpxiZV_Hc


personally i can't meal prep like this. I can't eat one day or 2 day old refridgerated food. I prep my food every morning but it gives you a basic idea.

 

[AlexDavis43]

if i eat one meal a day imo it's just torturing myself to engorge during a small window.. i will eat a normal meal and do not feel satiated at all and proceed to eat more and more and more. Until I've consumed the same amount of calories, in fact probably more and of lesser quality because I'll be grabbing whatever is ready at hand as opposed to having planned meals throughout the day.

Other restrictive diets like keto don't do me any favors either. If a person can put in enough effort to follow a keto diet and severely restrict carb intake. They should have the willpower to adhere to a balanced diet and plan calories according to their needs.


View: https://youtu.be/uwlP748sKYk?si=ojVq8HxrpxiZV_Hc


personally i can't meal prep like this. I can't eat one day or 2 day old refridgerated food. I prep my food every morning but it gives you a basic idea.

Keto OMAD PSMF is the typical crash diet that people do before weddings or school reunions etc

Effective short term but 100% weight regain with a vengeance