Domestic Testing Service - MZ Biolabs

[BigTomJ]

I dont know if anyone else has seen or use these guys, but just something i stumbled across. I haven't seen them talked about much.

MZ Biolabs | MZ Biolabs

www.mzbiolabs.com

I sent an inquiry to them to and bellow is the quoted email from them

Hi Thomas,

Here is information regarding working with us.

Small molecules
1. Small molecules (SARMS, nootropics, etc) are $175 for the basic certificate of analysis (CofA) confirming the identity of a powder, liquid, or tablet/capsule. If the powder is raw or in injection vials, it includes purity of the sample. For raw powders, around 25-50 mg is usually plenty.
2. Liquid samples are $250 if you wish to have the identity and dosage (mg/ml) measured. No purity for compounded liquids. For blends, each additional compound is $100.
3. Solid samples (pills, tablets, capsules) are $350 for identity confirmation and measured dosage (mg/tablet). No purity for compounded solids

Peptides
1. Testing vials and raw powders for identity and purity is $175 for peptides (including blends) or $200 for large proteins (HGH or HCG).
2. We cannot quantify some proteins/peptides, but can measure the mg/vial for GLP-1 analogs for $250, which includes identity and purity testing. GLP-1 analogs include tirzepatide, semaglutide, retatrutide, etc. Please enquire regarding measuring the mg for other peptides. The list is constantly growing. For blends, each additional peptide is $100.
3. Additionally, BPC-157, GLP-1, etc capsules are $350 for ID and quantification (includes 3 replicates). For blends, each additional peptide is $100.

Endotoxin (LPS)
1. Endotoxin testing is $175 for two replicates per USP <85>.
2. For injection vials and factory sealed containers two vials or items are recommended per USP <85>.
3. For all other formats, 50-1000 mg are necessary. Please inquire regarding exact amounts needed for each compound/formula.

Chemical purity testing does not include activity, sterility, heavy metals, or pH..
The testing is by mass spectrometry and/or HPLC UV depending which works best for the compound.

1 - Please fill out our new customer form, which I've attached, and return via email.

2 - Please include the attached shipping form in the package with your samples.

***Unlabeled samples and those without a shipping form will not be tested. Labels need not be fancy, writing with a permanent marker is sufficient.

3 - Please provide us with your logo or desired graphic to include as a watermark. We will place the graphic in the CofA and this will help prevent others from taking your CofA to claim as their own.

4 - Turnaround time is currently around 2 weeks but can change depending on countless circumstances (equipment failure, contamination from bad samples, etc).

The samples can be mailed to us at the following address. If using DHL, please do not request a signature (tracking is fine) as DHL often tries to deliver during non-business hours or weekends. We have a secure drop box. If shipping internationally, use the US customs code "2937.19.00 - Polypeptide hormones: other" when appropriate.
Address:
MZ Biolabs
2102 N Country Club Rd, Suite C
Tucson, AZ 85716

5 - After your samples arrive in good condition, you will receive an invoice with payment information. We accept credit cards, Zelle, ACH, wire, and Wise.

6 - When we test for a supplier we get numerous inquiries to make sure we are legit and respond to all of them. We generally ask that the inquirer send us the CofA in question to confirm, as we will not send your CofA out to anyone else but your company.

Let me know if you have any questions.

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Endotoxin (LPS) testing is now available for injection vials and certain raw materials.

Some of their testing is quite expensive, but others are far more reasonable, I could see a use case to use a lab like this for certain tests if someone is risk averse about shipping internationally, curious if anyone has used their services in the past or if there were accuracy concerns like with other labs.

 

[readalot]

Thanks for sharing. I remember looking at their page a while back. Appears they have added sterility and endotoxin testing.

Note:

https://www.mzbiolabs.com/mzbiolabs/coa-testing/

MZ Biolabs is a US DEA Schedule III licensed facility and proudly serves clients worldwide. Certificates of analysis are available for purity of raw powders and liquids as well as quantification of solutions, tablets, and capsules

I hope they do well and avoid the issues src experienced.

 

[readalot]

I believe I remember trying to deal with this place last year or the year before. They require you to posses a DEA license to send and receive samples and will, at their discretion, share your information with the DEA. They actually make it all very clear in your first communication with them via email.

That makes more sense and avoids the issues src faced. No way around this without feeling the pressure to get shut down on a whim of the Fed Govt. That would be an expensive legal bill to try to keep lab afloat.

 

[readalot]

The search for the domestic analytical lab with huge legal team on call continues. We better continue to work the legislative path towards AAS freedom.

 

[BigTomJ]

That makes more sense and avoids the issues src faced. No way around this without feeling the pressure to get shut down on a whim of the Fed Govt. That would be an expensive legal bill to try to keep lab afloat.

The response they sent me regarding what and how they test was the very first response received from them after explicitly asking for exactly that and if they accept samples from the general population.

It doesnt look like they accept AAS or scheduled drugs, but seem to focus on grey market items like peptides and sarms, going off of that email response.

 

[BigTomJ]

ive asked them explicitly if they require a license or organizational affiliation, or if their services are public use.

 

[janoshik]

Be aware of the fact Ken uses area normalisation to determine purity of small molecules.

 

[BigTomJ]

Be aware of the fact Ken uses area normalisation to determine purity of small molecules.

could you expand on what this means to the layman looking to get their products tested.

 

[janoshik]

could you expand on what this means to the layman looking to get their products tested.

1) Area normalisation method is used only in samples, where it can be expected that impurities are of the same nature as the main compound.

Eg. with HGH the impurities are also long peptides, which all have similar response at the same wavelengths as HGH, so area normalisation is a good method.

Testosterone Cypionate is not in European Pharmacopoeia at all, if I recall correctly of the top of my head, and in US Pharmacopoeia there is no such "purity assessment" as per what you are describing as far as I can see: USP Monographs: Testosterone Cypionate

Only assay is mentioned there as far as I can see.

2) I use external standard method and yes. It is to find out absolute content and that is called an assay. However, the result of the assay can be a purity as far as I believe I'll leave it to others to decide.

No, I don't.

Area normalisation is terrible purity testing method, because like I said, if you mixed testo cyp with oxandrolone 50:50, then area normalisation method will tell you your test cyp is 99% pure.

And using a fixed detector wavelength provides no additional benefit to automatic choice of lambda max within a specified range where the compound of interest has a clearly defined peak - quite contrary, it assured the same wavelength is picked even if detector 'drifts.'


Here is good, it can be attached as well.

Because like I said, there is nothing like what you describe in European and US pharmacopoeia as far as I can see, so I wonder where is it coming from.

Oh no no, nothing like that. It can easily range up to 95%. Normalisation used incorrectly can yield 100% pure result with something that has an API content of 5% and the rest is flour.

I've written a bit about that here and there over the years. Keyword normalisation and maybe small molecules.

Apologies for not being able to be more helpful, I'm only on my phone now.

Cheers

 

[BigTomJ]

I've written a bit about that here and there over the years. Keyword normalisation and maybe small molecules.

Apologies for not being able to be more helpful, I'm only on my phone now.

Cheers

this is perfect and provides the appropriate context to the discussion, glad to have you weigh in

 

[BigTomJ]

I believe I remember trying to deal with this place last year or the year before. They require you to posses a DEA license to send and receive samples and will, at their discretion, share your information with the DEA. They actually make it all very clear in your first communication with them via email.

That makes more sense and avoids the issues src faced. No way around this without feeling the pressure to get shut down on a whim of the Fed Govt. That would be an expensive legal bill to try to keep lab afloat.

just confirmed with recent email that no licensure or organization affiliation is needed and they accept testing requests from everyone

 

[Ateam2023]

just confirmed with recent email that no licensure or organization affiliation is needed and they accept testing requests from everyone

i reached out to them as well , and basically got the same response, i however specifically asked about hgh testing and i was quoted $200 for identity and purification confirmation and $250 includes dose measurement, i inquired about dimer test , waiting for response,,

 

[PiscesMoon]

MZ Biolabs works with Umbrella Labs, also based in Arizona. A vendor for Nootropics, SARMS, research chemicals, peptides, etc - All sold for research only.

Some of their testing is quite expensive, but others are far more reasonable, I could see a use case to use a lab like this for certain tests if someone is risk averse about shipping internationally, curious if anyone has used their services in the past or if there were accuracy concerns like with other labs.

RE: accuracy concerns, I have had some experience:

Post in thread 'Changland Technology Co., Ltd. (International, US domestic)'

May 7, 2024

He's saying Janoshik made a mistake on the test.

I've seen a few tests recently where Janoshik had mistakes in identification, formatting, etc.

On the Sigma Audley post someone pointed out where he labeled Tirzepatide as HGH. Janoshik replied to the post and said he made a mistake.

Is that the case here? No idea.

Hmm. That is a fair point, mistakes do happen with labs - in general - especially when they may be overloaded. It happens though it does not inspire confidence and it must be considered on case by case basis.

For example, once had to correct MZ BIOLABS and related...

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[Ateam2023]

my question about dimer was answered with a "form" to fill out , kinda like signing up i guess, so thats where that stands, ?

 

[B Ware]

Maybe I missed it but do you guys know how they accept payment? Can it be done anonymously?

 

[BigTomJ]

Maybe I missed it but do you guys know how they accept payment? Can it be done anonymously?

5 - After your samples arrive in good condition, you will receive an invoice with payment information. We accept credit cards, Zelle, ACH, wire, and Wise.

 

[B Ware]

@BigTomJ won’t let me quote you, but that sucks unless one could pay with a visa gift card or something similar that is not directly tied to an individual.

 

[readalot]

The search for the domestic analytical lab with huge legal team on call continues. We better continue to work the legislative path towards AAS freedom.

In the context of AAS, my read is the above comments still apply. They won't take AAS sample without proper paperwork.

Would be really interesting if they took GH samples without proper paperwork. That would be very surprising. And XMR probably out.

Thanks for the thread Tom.

 

[BigTomJ]

my question about dimer was answered with a "form" to fill out , kinda like signing up i guess, so thats where that stands, ?

Heres what they said to me

We can measure purity and mg for most peptides. HGH is one of them ($250 for ID, purity, mg). The mass spec can easily detect dimers and any other proteins present. Calculating the exact amount of any unknown proteins is mostly impossible, but the UV detector for purity testing can estimate pretty well. HGH is generally very good quality; I rarely see anything below 98%,

 

[janoshik]

>The mass spec can easily detect dimers

And how would he discern between the dimerization of the sample and dimerization in the MS source?