Does your face change dramatically between being on and off testosterone?

[GoldenDragonfruit]

What I notice more is more redness in the face the higher Testosterone I use. Like it's easily flushed or something. Also feeling hotter and sweating more during warm season, during the winter less sensitive to cold.

might be blood pressure related, have you checked?

no... calories make a bigger difference in that tbh

Carbs tends to soak water. So what you eat might make a difference too.

 

[ComancheChief]

Lowering E2 when not needed limits your growth potential by a lot, as Estrogen is anabolic in itself and the lower E2 the less growth hormone can be used by your body which further limits growth potential. They also come with a lot of sides, therefore taking bloods is a good start before doing any adjustments.

I notice with low e2 my body spills over carbs very easily, and digestion/bloating. I may be different from most but I find I hold less subq water with higher e2 vs low, unless I’m in a severe deficit in which case lower is better.

 

[BabaJagga]

Lowering E2 when not needed limits your growth potential by a lot, as Estrogen is anabolic in itself and the lower E2 the less growth hormone can be used by your body which further limits growth potential. They also come with a lot of sides, therefore taking bloods is a good start before doing any adjustments.

i know science around it. it stopped bloating and water retention and acne that started in weird places.

 

[GoldenDragonfruit]

Yeah the rules are kinda simple, but the outcome is most likely complex. Our bodies seem to be kinda unique in one way or another.

 

[ComancheChief]

i know science around it. it stopped bloating and water retention and acne that started in weird places.

are you able to still progress effectively even with low e2?

 

[BabaJagga]

are you able to still progress effectively even with low e2?

yes. scale is goin up, adding kg's or reps slowly, feeling great, mentaly and physically.
in mirror i look leaner, muscles are looking full, i have new veins. overall im very happy with progress so far. i would need bit bigger appetite maybe. energy levels are great also.
i dont think i have low low estrogen, just not crazy high. next week i can update with numbers.

 

[ComancheChief]

yes. scale is goin up, adding kg's or reps slowly, feeling great, mentaly and physically.
in mirror i look leaner, muscles are looking full, i have new veins. overall im very happy with progress so far. i would need bit bigger appetite maybe. energy levels are great also.
i dont think i have low low estrogen, just not crazy high. next week i can update with numbers.

Awesome I’m very interested to see where you’re at. When I say low estrogen I mean like single digit in the gutter levels, which I am very prone to with just a small dose of adex. When you’re that low your body is pretty much useless in any progress no matter how much test you’re taking.

 

[BabaJagga]

Awesome I’m very interested to see where you’re at. When I say low estrogen I mean like single digit in the gutter levels, which I am very prone to with just a small dose of adex. When you’re that low your body is pretty much useless in any progress no matter how much test you’re taking.

i dont think that will be the case.
with 300mg/week and no ai i was at 54 pg/dl (i think thats us units?)
now im on 500mg/week with half pill of 25mg aromasin. im curious about my numbers also, will see. i bet im im top of scale, maybe around 40-50 pg/dl. just my guess.

 

[brutalbuilt]

might be blood pressure related, have you checked?



Carbs tends to soak water. So what you eat might make a difference too.

if im really lean on a cut during a blast i still look young

 

[trenisbest]

My face was leaner and sharper natty, even while fat from a 2 year bulk.

On test, even a low cruise dose, even while lean, its always puffier and rounder. Not e2 related.

what test ester do you use?

 

[mikeh1998]

I look like absolute shit when over 10% bodyfat and then look like a greek god when I have <10% bodyfat.

I cannot do this "high test" shit anymore because it noticeably bloats my face, even when using AI...

I think I have to stick to 250 mg/week max I am just not cut out for higher doses... Every time I try to start a cycle I quit 2 weeks in because I just lose all appeal.

I started using testosterone when I turned 26 (27 now) and people I haven't seen in a while told me I look noticeably "meaner" so yeah I do think it makes a difference... in the mirror I notice my cheekbones are way more defined but that could just be aging.

 

[brutalbuilt]

I look like absolute shit when over 10% bodyfat and then look like a greek god when I have <10% bodyfat.

I cannot do this "high test" shit anymore because it noticeably bloats my face, even when using AI...

I think I have to stick to 250 mg/week max I am just not cut out for higher doses... Every time I try to start a cycle I quit 2 weeks in because I just lose all appeal.

I started using testosterone when I turned 26 (27 now) and people I haven't seen in a while told me I look noticeably "meaner" so yeah I do think it makes a difference... in the mirror I notice my cheekbones are way more defined but that could just be aging.

makes you look more masculine... if you wanna look like a beta than lower the dose

 

[Eddie.]

I look like absolute shit when over 10% bodyfat and then look like a greek god when I have <10% bodyfat.

I cannot do this "high test" shit anymore because it noticeably bloats my face, even when using AI...

I think I have to stick to 250 mg/week max I am just not cut out for higher doses... Every time I try to start a cycle I quit 2 weeks in because I just lose all appeal.

I started using testosterone when I turned 26 (27 now) and people I haven't seen in a while told me I look noticeably "meaner" so yeah I do think it makes a difference... in the mirror I notice my cheekbones are way more defined but that could just be aging.

I completely disagree with combining looksmaxxing and gains. If you wanna look like a fashion beta male model, fine but if you want a mascular body deal with a masculine face as well.

Whatever you do please don't stop posting, everytime this godly rear view of Madison pops up it makes my day xD

 

[mikeh1998]

If you wanna look like a fashion beta male model

I wanna look like a beta male fashion model