Do I have masteron enanth or trenbolone enanth?

[Monkey72]

Hi all,

All this is hypothetical, BTW. Perhaps I dreamed it...

Anyway, I ordered some of what I believed was trenbolone enanthate powder. However, trenbolone does not readily translate into Chinese - the language I order in - and when responded to, I got a response that I was getting ??????? or drostanolone enanthate. I was told the CAS number was for tren though.

The powder was off-white, with a tinge of yellow. The melting point seemed to be around 72 C, but it could have been lower. The knife on the burner was hot to the touch but not unbearable at melting. I had a water bath going on medium-low, added the powder, BA and BB. The solution turned a brown color and took around 5 minutes to get all the lumps out and turn into a mixed solution. I measured the mixed solution to be 40 ml (20g powder including 2ml BA and 20ml BB), added 60 ml oil and the color turned an amber color.

I would be happy with either tren or masteron. Besides for a stericup failure which cost me 30% yield, I am happy. However, from what I described, can anyone tell me what it sounds like? I always thought tren enanth powder was yellow?

Thanks in advance,
Monkey

 

[Bill Roberts]

I've never used trenbolone enanthate powder but as the color is from the steroid skeleton rather than the ester, I'm confident it indeed should be yellow. However, if sufficiently pure it might be a fairly light yellow.

What CAS number were you given? For trenbolone enanthate it is 472-61-546; for drostanolone enanthate it is 472-61-145.

Your melting point is consistent with trenbolone enanthate but not drostanolone enanthate.

If there was no yellow tint at all and you gave the material fair chance to melt at 58 C, then I wouldn't know what to think. Both materials would seem to be excluded.

Could it be that you rushed past 58 C and concluded the melting point was 72 C because you were aiming for the higher temperature and overshot the 58 C value? You do say the mp could have been lower.

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[Monkey72]

Hi Bill,

Thank you for your quick reply. For the CAS I was given 472-61-546, which is the one for tren. However, the translation of the Chinese gives drostanolone. When I asked again (and the lady is very polite) she said tren. There is no translation I can find for trenbolone (I've checked medical dictionaries online). Without a thermometer, I could not tell you 58 from 72 C; they are both warm to the touch. I could not leave my finger on the underside of the knife tip for more than a second though (I know...too subjective).

The powder had a yellowish tinge (more off-white though). It smelled VERY strong. The only thing that made me think tren was how the BA, BB and powder turned brown like caramel in the pyrex container before I added the oil. Deca and test both are the color of cottonseed oil before mixing. Also, it did not dissolve right away, the solution temperature had to hit 120 F before it dissolved and I could mix it down. The end result is amber with the oil added. Using absinth's powder calculator, I calculated the powder weight to be .9 on the nose (not sure if this helps).

Anyway, I think this is going to be one of those things where I try it and judge by the sides of blood pressure, insomnia and impact on cardio. I tried 100 mg an hour ago, maybe next week I'll notice something. Masteron enanth is supposed to be much milder. Either way, I am using it to cut since I am stuck at 15% BF after bulking for 12 weeks after lower back surgery in July.

Thanks Bill,
Monkey

 

[Bill Roberts]

You're welcome!

The color of trenbolone is a little bit in question actually.

It may even be that it is itself colorless or nearly so and color is only or principally from an oxidized impurity which is virtually always present to at least some degree.

Fresh Finaplix is a far lighter color than some other material which can be as much as canary yellow, which is of course lighter yet than material that has unwisely been left at room temperature for months, which can be actually brown.

When I have chromatographically purified Fina which was yellow in the first place, I've gotten it to be pretty pale.

So if you were seeing a yellowish tinge, that leaves open the possibility of it being actually trenbolone enanthate. If it was only a tinge, then it had not been exposed to oxygen much since manufacture and was probably fairly newly-made or had been, properly, stored at low temperature.

The color change on your preparation makes it sound like trenbolone not drostanolone.

With Chinese manufacturers, CAS numbers are more reliable than chemical names.

So the bulk of the evidence strongly favors trenbolone, between the two possibilities.

 

[Monkey72]

Bill,

Thank you so much for helping me clarify this. Your analysis, without me having a gas chromatograph unit, will make me treat it as trenbolone and be very wary of the sides from it. This is the first time I have gotten mixed up ordering in Chinese, but I always supply the CAS numbers with what I want. I label all my vials in Chinese as well; so ??????? it is I guess...LOL. I spoke to a friend and he said defer to your judgement, but due to the oxidation when heated and color he suspected tren.

Everything I have gotten from this business has been exceptional quality, and I hope this to be no different. What I have noticed is that the purity has been so high, I have to back dosages down from anything I have ordered pre-mixed otherwise my blood pressure goes up too high. I doubt I will ever go back to pre-mixed after the experiences I have had with this business. Now if I can just figure out how to not lose so much when using SteriCups, it'd be great! I still haven't gotten the hang of them (the lower receiving flask failed on me last night 1/2 way through filtering. I burned through 4 figuring out that the lower flask was the problem.).

Thanks again Bill, you are always a great help and a great source of knowledge.

Happy new year,
Monkey

 

[Bill Roberts]

Thank you for the kind words! A Happy New Year to you as well!

 

[test90]

Yes them stericups are extremely sensitive and after you fck up 3or4 of the recievers you will not make the same mistake, and be more patient

 

[Monkey72]

test90,

Yep, you know exactly what you are talking about. I didn't know the receivers could blow (this is only my 2nd HB batch). The first time I got pissed about losing 7.5ml (out of 30ml) to the filter; the 2nd time I lost 30ml (out of 100!) to swapping fluid between 4 filters trying to troubleshoot. However, even with the HUGE loss I saved boatloads of $$$ and I have the experience.

Also, your diagnosis of needing patience is correct. The solvents lower the stability of the cup and under 15-20 in of pressure, it blows faster. 10 in of pressure should suffice with some patience.

Thanks bro,
Colin

 

[Bill Roberts]

It does take patience to use a hand syringe and small attachable filter, and actually I do dislike doing it, but it does avoid problems like this.