DNP, T3, Clen at the same time

[Starkraven]

I never used clen before and when i do DNP, i either do it alone and follow up with 1 tab of t3 for 7 days or do it with t3 and follow up as well. ive done many DNP cycles so i know my tolerance. 600mg per day is usually enough, actually 500mg per day seems to be a good dose. Usually i try to keep a diet strict but my appetite goes through the roof (i already have a huge appetite naturally) so i never keep it strict. That is the main reason for the clen, to suppress appetite. Also, I heard it is like ephedrine, where it brings the fat into the blood so DNP can burn it..Also, I never did cardio on DNP before. Only went out at night once but stopped, felt too short of breath.

Right now I am about 15-16% BF and I think if i use DNP at 500mg per day (or 400,600,400 etc), T3 at 1-2 tabs per day, and Clen 3-4 tabs per day, along with my super strict diet, and cardio (medium intensity brisk walk 3.5mph) for 30-45 minutes every morning upon waking on empty, I'll get under 10% BF. What do you guys think?

 

[italian2004]

cut the DNP its not worth the possible sides, just do a low carb diet with 2 cheat days a week, take t3 and clen build the t3 up to 5 or even 6 tabs a day and the clen up to 120-140 mcg 2 weeks on and then 2 weeks on a ECA. if u need a chart on the t3 i will gladly help u with it. some will say 5 or 6 t3 a day is to much, that is incorrect, i work in a hospital in the thyroid area and there is no research that proves that is bad in a moderate amount of time, the only possible way t3 can effect u is if
1 u have a prexisting thyroid condition
2 u abuse it meaning like 200 + mcg per day for a peroid of time
if u dont do that and do short cycles like 5 or 6 weeks with decent diet some clen and cardo, ur set bro, it will do dreams for u, and no need for dnp.
italian2004@hushmail.com

 

[Starkraven]

cut the DNP its not worth the possible sides, just do a low carb diet with 2 cheat days a week, take t3 and clen build the t3 up to 5 or even 6 tabs a day and the clen up to 120-140 mcg 2 weeks on and then 2 weeks on a ECA. if u need a chart on the t3 i will gladly help u with it. some will say 5 or 6 t3 a day is to much, that is incorrect, i work in a hospital in the thyroid area and there is no research that proves that is bad in a moderate amount of time, the only possible way t3 can effect u is if
1 u have a prexisting thyroid condition
2 u abuse it meaning like 200 + mcg per day for a peroid of time
if u dont do that and do short cycles like 5 or 6 weeks with decent diet some clen and cardo, ur set bro, it will do dreams for u, and no need for dnp.
italian2004@hushmail.com

no offense, but yeah right i dont think i can get lean like that, that quick. that would take me a year maybe. i was always a fat ass, something about my genetics maybe you know. always like 22% BF but small frame so dont look like a lard ass ever. so i bulked with no juice and got to 34% BF and used DNP AND CAME DOWN TO LIKE 18% did more dnp and came down to 15-16%. i dont lose fat any other way, unless i torture myself with a super torturous diet (i need to suppress my appetite big time) and run all day and im not into that. so i only lose fat with dnp, at least it keeps me motivated to lose more fat since i lose it so fast. ive done over 10 cycles maybe since summer 2001.

i can barely afford juice so i want to make the most of it when i get it, and i dont wanna do another cutting cycle and lose 1% BF, when i can do DNP and lose 10 pounds of fat in 8 days. i do plan on getting fuckin shredded after the DNP BTW, im going for 1 cycle since 2 would be hard. it is also very uncomfortable doing dnp but its more effective than doing it naturally. and after this one dnp cycle, i was going to do 200mg test prop eod, 75mg fina ed, 125mcg t3 and 120mcg clen with .5mg arimidex ed with the cardio and strict diet. but i dont have money for a year round cycle and i wont diet naturally.

 

[wisdom]

no offense, but yeah right i dont think i can get lean like that, that quick. that would take me a year maybe. i was always a fat ass, something about my genetics maybe you know. always like 22% BF but small frame so dont look like a lard ass ever. so i bulked with no juice and got to 34% BF and used DNP AND CAME DOWN TO LIKE 18% did more dnp and came down to 15-16%. i dont lose fat any other way, unless i torture myself with a super torturous diet (i need to suppress my appetite big time) and run all day and im not into that. so i only lose fat with dnp, at least it keeps me motivated to lose more fat since i lose it so fast. ive done over 10 cycles maybe since summer 2001.

i can barely afford juice so i want to make the most of it when i get it, and i dont wanna do another cutting cycle and lose 1% BF, when i can do DNP and lose 10 pounds of fat in 8 days. i do plan on getting fuckin shredded after the DNP BTW, im going for 1 cycle since 2 would be hard. it is also very uncomfortable doing dnp but its more effective than doing it naturally. and after this one dnp cycle, i was going to do 200mg test prop eod, 75mg fina ed, 125mcg t3 and 120mcg clen with .5mg arimidex ed with the cardio and strict diet. but i dont have money for a year round cycle and i wont diet naturally.

what did your previous dnp cycles look like? And what were the results? And as for your question, I would not do all 3 together. Try dnp with a good ECA stack. wisdom

 

[stevemac]

I'm scared of DNP myself. The whole dying thing is what scares me most i guess. j/k. but seriously I haven't stacked clen and T3 yet but I get great results with the ECA stack, it burns fat and most of all supresses appetite. I have a huge appetite too even though I try to eat healthy. I love subway and can finish a full loaded sub easily, when on the eca stack I cant stomach the thought of eating more then half of one. Its great.

 

[Starkraven]

I'm scared of DNP myself. The whole dying thing is what scares me most i guess. j/k. but seriously I haven't stacked clen and T3 yet but I get great results with the ECA stack, it burns fat and most of all supresses appetite. I have a huge appetite too even though I try to eat healthy. I love subway and can finish a full loaded sub easily, when on the eca stack I cant stomach the thought of eating more then half of one. Its great.

well anything can be dangerous if misused. DNP taken at safe dosages is fine.

ECA in my book is more dangerous then clen because it contains ephedrine and we all know that stuff is the main ingredient in speed. i cant tolerate much of it. it feels like using a lighter version of cocaine. both are stimulants, clen is also. but i believe clen is much safer, as it is even prescribed. doesnt it feel like a mild ephedrine?

as for subway, yesterday i had quiznos sub and was driving and it didnt fill me up so i drove to subway and got another sub, still didnt fill me up. i hate my huge appetite. i do eat clean all the time but maybe i am not eating sub-maintenance calories to burn any noticeable fat.

 

[Starkraven]

cut the DNP its not worth the possible sides, just do a low carb diet with 2 cheat days a week, take t3 and clen build the t3 up to 5 or even 6 tabs a day and the clen up to 120-140 mcg 2 weeks on and then 2 weeks on a ECA. if u need a chart on the t3 i will gladly help u with it. some will say 5 or 6 t3 a day is to much, that is incorrect, i work in a hospital in the thyroid area and there is no research that proves that is bad in a moderate amount of time, the only possible way t3 can effect u is if
1 u have a prexisting thyroid condition
2 u abuse it meaning like 200 + mcg per day for a peroid of time
if u dont do that and do short cycles like 5 or 6 weeks with decent diet some clen and cardo, ur set bro, it will do dreams for u, and no need for dnp.
italian2004@hushmail.com

i am interested in the t3 chart, and the clen as well. i will be doing a cutting cycle after the dnp. is it something like increasing the t3 by 1 tab per day til i reach 5, and keep there for 3-4 weeks, then taper down every 3 days by 1 tab? that would be around 5-6 weeks. the clen is 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off right? i never used clen before. thanks.

 

[Starkraven]

what did your previous dnp cycles look like? And what were the results? And as for your question, I would not do all 3 together. Try dnp with a good ECA stack. wisdom

IMHO, clen is safer then ECA just from reading around the boards. eca has ephedrine in it, which is dangerous dont you think? dnp/t3 i have done together so by you suggesting the good ECA stack, that can be replaced with a safer alternative, clen. dont you think that makes sense? thanks.

 

[JonP]

You're doing DNP and t3 but you're afraid of Ephedrine?

 

[ThePatriot]

Im glad that your so motivated in losing weight but that is something your going to have to fix. Say you do get shredded and look great then what? Your going to revert to eating all the fucken time again and get fat. So your going to have to do DNP its going to be a never ending cycle till you learn how to control your urges and diet right. But maybe Im wrong.

ThePatriot

 

[stevemac]

ECA, like anything is dangerous when abused. I nevr had a problem with ECA and anyone who was ever harmed from ephederine either abused the drug or had a preexisting condition like heart disease. It seems to me that DNP was never meant to be consumed into the body, but I admit I am ignorant to the drug. But i don't think anyone can convince me ECA is as dangerous as DNP.

 

[ironcowboy]

ECA, like anything is dangerous when abused. I nevr had a problem with ECA and anyone who was ever harmed from ephederine either abused the drug or had a preexisting condition like heart disease. It seems to me that DNP was never meant to be consumed into the body, but I admit I am ignorant to the drug. But i don't think anyone can convince me ECA is as dangerous as DNP.

I admit that the mechanism of DNP sounds scary but until I see any proof that it actually causes any harm, I will probably continue to use it. With ECA the effects are generally known. I know it will raise my blood pressure, cause irregular hearbeat, and premature ventricular contractions. I can lose vastly greater amounts of fat on DNP with no noticable negative. (I'm saying there aren't any negatives but I have yet to experience or see real evidence of any.)

 

[stevemac]

when on dnp do you need to diet and heavy cardio? and how do you cycle it? it does sound scary to me but I have to admit I am interested. thanks

 

[Starkraven]

when on dnp do you need to diet and heavy cardio? and how do you cycle it? it does sound scary to me but I have to admit I am interested. thanks

you dont need heavy cardio at all, or even a diet but pigging out will get you nowhere. i just said that i will combine the dnp/t3/clen and i will do an extreme diet and do my cardio everyday for the 8 days to reach an extreme goal.

 

[Starkraven]

you are wrong bro. because all the fat i lost from dnp has never been gained back, maybe 5 pounds at the most but muscle has been gained as well. when i do get shredded, believe me i will do anything to hold that look, of course it has to be reasonable, i wont try to hold 4%, but 8% yes. when i bulk in the future, it will always be clean. hell i always eat clean right now anyways, so i dont gain fat. i just dont do cardio or diet to the extreme because i dont have juice and dont want to lose muscle doing it naturally but with dnp its so quick, it doesnt matter. i never lose muscle, in fact i actually do get that anabolic rebound effect.

Im glad that your so motivated in losing weight but that is something your going to have to fix. Say you do get shredded and look great then what? Your going to revert to eating all the fucken time again and get fat. So your going to have to do DNP its going to be a never ending cycle till you learn how to control your urges and diet right. But maybe Im wrong.

ThePatriot

 

[Starkraven]

I think I am going to begin tomorrow or Monday. I will post my results and take pics before and after and test BF before and after.

 

[john_phillips]

I think I am going to begin tomorrow or Monday. I will post my results and take pics before and after and test BF before and after.

Take the "after" pics a few days coming off the DNP...you'll be a little watery and glycogen depleated for a day or two. BUT a few days after, you'll be recarbed (major full muscle bellies) and you probably won't hold as much water as you did whil on it (assuming your diet is mod to low in Sodium). I stopped my first course of DNP about 4 days before a show and came in fuller and harder (and of course leaner) than ever before.

You'll wonder how you ever dieted without DNP before!! Good luck!

JP

 

[kemo]

DNP is Safe

O.K. I have to jump in here.

Just to give you a little background, I have been working with DNP for about 4 years now. I am not a source, so don't ask. However, I obtain lab quality DNP and make my own for analysis. We have also ordered from a variety of sources to do comparitive tests. All of my experiments have been done under the supervision of a doctor (cancer research). I myself am a chemist, and I have another friend who is a Pharmacy Prof. We all went to undergrad together and have done research on the "dark side". Please keep in mind that our "research" was by no means done under clinical conditions. It was done with ourselves and friends taking DNP and running tests, our research would not stand up to modern scientific standards. Here are some of the things I can tell you without getting into a 10 page post:

DNP is both safe and dangerous. This is the same for all drugs, even water can be toxic if you drink too much (o.k. granted you have to drink about 20 gallons within 4 hours, but play along....). The problem with DNP is it has a "tight safe doseage range". Meaning that the difference between a dose that has no effect and a dose that has negative effects is within a few hundred milligrams. Within the effective range, DNP is not "Dangerous".

O.K. What about side efffects? DNP like any other drug has side effects. The most noted research is that it can cause glaucoma. However, it should be pointed out that the only research to this point was conducted in females. Also, that particular research was conducted 50+ years ago under less than modern research standards. Some of the modern theories point to a buildup of metabolic waste materials more than the actual use of DNP.

As just mentioned, metabolic waste is one of the major side effects to DNP. Therefore you need to ensure you are taking plenty of water. I would suggest at least 1.5 gallons per day. This brings up another interesting point. Many people think you die from DNP by overheating....not true. You actually dehydrate the cells, which leads to death.

O.K. Like I said, I don't have room to type forever. So here is my summary. DNP is safe when taking by a sane individual. The effective range is 400mg-800mg per day. Never take more than 1000mg. The effective length of a cycle is about 14 days. You can combine it with Clen and T-3. You will notice some better results if you always combine your DNP with T-3. Do not take DNP with an ECA stack. Always drink 1.5 gallons or more water per day. Keep your carb levels low but not at zero. Take a multi-vitamin and amino acid mix along with DNP. Keep your cardio up, although probably at a minimum. Be sure to replace your water levels quickly after cardio. Make sure you are taking some sort of replacement drink with potassium in it. Watch the weight melt.

Finally, for some reason (not sure why yet), weight lost while on DNP is more resistant to regain for a period of time. We are still researching this theory.

Hope this helps!!!

Kemo

 

[JonP]

Is the reason for not taking DNP with an ECA because it makes you hotter or is there another reason?

 

[Mr. Ed]

t3, clen, dnp

If any of you bro's decide to take T3, Clen, and DNP at the same time, make sure to drink tons of water (up to 2 gallons ED). When I last combined them all, I didn't take them sparingly, and ended with horrible cramps in my HUGE 33" thighs and had lots of trouble sleeping. Just in case anyone else encounters similar sides, you can also take potassium, taurine and vitamin c....

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