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[ThatGuy500mg]

If you end up with 30 mg daily, maybe a week at 20 and a week at 10. If you end up higher, say 60 mg daily, then maybe a week at 40 and a week at 20.

I fuck up regularly and am happy to share my experiences. I've mentioned it before, but I stopped my 210 / week cold turkey and about a week or so after the last pin I did a 2 hour leg session that left me literally bedridden the next day. Had flu-like symptoms, resting pulse was nearly 100, body aches, etc. I had no cough / fever otherwise I was sure I had Covid / Flu. Was likely mild rhabdo and / or just frying my CNS. Guzzled water with electrolytes, some NSAIDs, and lots of food and I was back on my feet the next day.

So yea, try not to do that. It could have been avoided by my bringing down the volume but I was equally as stupid in that regard.

The first two times I took tren, I was in my early to mid twenties. Little to no good knowledge of steroid use other than pin it, eat a lot, and workout hard(that’s really it), I was crankin 100mg of ace eod and would go ten weeks at a time and cold turkey stop. I remember always being so ready to come off because I just felt like shit by the end of it. But I was fucking the absolute hell out of my girlfriend constantly at the time to the point she was ready for me to come off lmao

 

[Andrewthatguy]

The first two times I took tren, I was in my early to mid twenties. Little to no good knowledge of steroid use other than pin it, eat a lot, and workout hard(that’s really it), I was crankin 100mg of ace eod and would go ten weeks at a time and cold turkey stop. I remember always being so ready to come off because I just felt like shit by the end of it. But I was fucking the absolute hell out of my girlfriend constantly at the time to the point she was ready for me to come off lmao

100 eod for 10 weeks back to back? If so, holy shit.

 

[Photon]

Someone on here has ran labs that say otherwise. Have you?

i pinned 100ml into 2 spots (200ml) and ran labs a few hours later.
e2 increased by a tiny notch, might just be a day to day fluctuation

 

[ThatGuy500mg]

100 eod for 10 weeks back to back? If so, holy shit.

No no not back to back. This was two separate occasions. And honestly the funny thing is, I’m leaner and stronger now just using test, Reta, and gh than I ever was on those cycles back then. And I’ve only been back in the gym for roughly a year after going off on a three year liquor bender. Lost all my strength and weight that I gained over the years from drinking like that. Never again

 

[jpe1]

Someone on here has ran labs that say otherwise. Have you?

I do. Tag me on the other thread so I don't clog this up. Don't mind sharing.

 

[ackmack78]

I do. Tag me on the other thread so I don't clog this up. Don't mind sharing.

Mine as well post your experience here. I think he shared it in another vendor thread. Maybe not but search is wonky for me right now

 

[AlexDavis43]

Give up on HDL, last I checked mine was 5. Pretend it doesn't exist. Now go all out on LDL.

1) lmfao

2) yeah I have questions about HDL in our context (kinda serious)

2a) (point) the best evidence for high HDL in men is from observational studies where HDL wasn't crashed by gear; maybe naturally low HDL is detrimental but if you regularly have high HDL, gtg?

2b) (counterpoint) well shit a lot of bodybuilders die prematurely of cardiorenal syndrome

 

[Infernalmango]

How is var when you’re on Reta though? I know Reta is great on the ole lipid panel. I start in two weeks but never used var before. Also, you got me considering getting some TNE for leg days. I’ve never ran it either. How is that dosed? And how does it affect bloods?

I was on 8mg of Reta and ran 50mg/day of var for 5 weeks and my hdl went from 35 to 34, so there’s some variance in how it affects individuals. Only slightly uncommon things I added was pita and eze

 

[ThatGuy500mg]

I was on 8mg of Reta and ran 50mg/day of var for 5 weeks and my hdl went from 35 to 34, so there’s some variance in how it affects individuals. Only slightly uncommon things I added was pita and eze

I was initially trying to squeeze 8-10 weeks out of this var cycle and was honestly going to run it at 50mg/day. But I may reconsider that does given the current information from different people. Perhaps 30mg preworkout and just at a convenient time in the morning on off days. I don’t want to run too little and not reap the benefits but I also don’t want to run too much and run health risks causing me to not run it long enough. I’m current 4mg of Reta. But will be pushing to 5 soon

 

[nobu156]

1) lmfao

2) yeah I have questions about HDL in our context (kinda serious)

2a) (point) the best evidence for high HDL in men is from observational studies where HDL wasn't crashed by gear; maybe naturally low HDL is detrimental but if you regularly have high HDL, gtg?

2b) (counterpoint) well shit a lot of bodybuilders die prematurely of cardiorenal syndrome

I am under the impression that hdl doesn’t really matter once you get your ldl under 50. At least that’s what my cardiologist alluded to. My hdl was like 30 though, not 5.