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Dave Croslands latest take on china raws
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AlexDavis43
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It was India, and he said it was one of his sources for gear made in India he had (implying multiple sources), which is the only reason why I remember it
Multiple sources for gear made in India... Oooookay
Thorshammer
Member
I had a dude in India but Im pretty sure he was a broker getting stuff china or some of it. But he had some packs seized and refunded my last big order because he was scared it wouldn't make it . So thats fucked for now. And it was full kilos or more no small orders .
Bandern
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On Drugs n Stuff a few months ago dude was messaging one of his Chinese “contacts” asking about the shortage during the episode and giving the play by play as if he had some sort of inside scoop.
The dialogue went the same way it would if any one of us was messaging an SSA rep (and believed they were really a woman)
The dialogue went the same way it would if any one of us was messaging an SSA rep (and believed they were really a woman)
Thorshammer
Member
Come on bro you know every Chinese raw rep is a 19 year old hottie stop it lmfao .
trtchin
Member
I love DnS and Dave Crosland knows a lot about gear, health markers and lifting. Ive listened to every episode twice but nothing he ever said made me think he knows anything more about the production of gear or raws than any average meso user.
Angryshitter
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Alright sooo. How long do I gotta wait untill I can place an order. Everyone's got a nice stash built up and i can't even get started...
This feels like the housing market. Honestly can life get any shittier at this point? Wtf
This feels like the housing market. Honestly can life get any shittier at this point? Wtf
Ghoul
Member
Keep it simple.
99% of the results most of us non-competitors want (long term quality of life via a fit, good looking body, a confident, motivated mood, and the energy to support those goals) are achievable via:
Test
A GLP
Growth Hormone / Tesa
These are all still available, only Test has gotten more expensive but still very reasonable.
But of course there’s no guarantee what tomorrow will bring, so don’t dither. Decide what you want to accomplish, how much you think you’ll use over the next year, and, in my opinion, grab as much as your disposable income’s worth you’re comfortable with and shelf life dictates.
Angryshitter
New Member
So I am planning on starting TRT just for optimization and obviously an occasional blast here and there. Not sure what else I would Even run yet as much research is still needed as far as choosing different compounds.
But as far as testosterone, any china vendors still selling it? I've contacted multiple vendors and they are either not responding. Or are selling any anabolics right now. Some websites are flat out just taken down.. seems like alot has happened since the last time I've been lurking. It's very concerning.
is this all just temporary? Or will testosterone just explode in price and just become a financial burden?
How much does a vial even go for these days? I remember seeing it for like 20 bucks. Of course as soon as I'm at a point in my life where I'm ready to jump on board it becomes a shitshow lol
I really wish I could just buy a giant bag of raw powder to throw in the freezer to last a life time incase this gets out of hand..
If you happen to know somewhere that won't butt rape me please share lol
Psy-chonaut
Member
Always look at the bright side of life…booom bom booom bom booom bom ;p
Still plenty of options in the world/Eu/Us…. Just Start hoarding right now !
trtchin
Member
Literally an entire subforum dedicated to this. Still a couple Chinese vendors and plenty of EU/US domestic. If you cant afford a couple 50 buck vials (which is more expensive than you can find) how can you afford all the anciliaries, blood tests, food etc?
Angryshitter
New Member
I'm sure I'll get dunked on by someone for asking as I know people probably ask constantly but... is there a source section in this place?
Angryshitter
New Member
What's the subform called? (Sorry still new here. Bear with me man lol)
And that's exactly my point. If it was only testosterone it wouldn't be that big of a deal. But like you said, once you start factoring everything the cost adds up. That's exactly why I'm concerned about saving a dollar when I can. It adds up and it adds up fast
Psy-chonaut
Member
Subforum ‘S. Underground’ - there are pinned sources in the top , and non pinned in the bottom …… use week or 2, follow them and research How they are doing ? and pull the trigger…
HeatherSwanson
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Don't you know, the more followers the better the Shepard.
Surveyor98
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I disagree with you stating, "It's not about the money..." It's ALWAYS about the money, even in a communist dictatorship like China.
malfeasance
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First a reminder while AAS aren’t a major target on anyone’s radar, they are technically Scheduled drugs under US, Chinese, and international law just like Fentanyl, and no less illegal.
Also let’s not forget “raws” = precursor chemicals, and get lumped in with all other “synthetic drug precursors”.
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They’re all stretching for something easy to understand.
This is as close to it as you’re going to find.
China has long not only allowed, but encouraged the export of controlled drug precursors. Fentanyl has been the headline, but the official documents reporting on China’s dirty business always say “fentanyl and other synthetic drug precursors”. AAS falls under “other synthetic drugs”.
This is a violation of international treaties they’re obligated to follow, and against China’s own laws, but like everything else in that surveillance state, nothing goes on for long unless the CCP wants it to. They’ve paid lip service to “enforcement” for years, while not only looking the other way but generously subsidized the black market for drug precursor chemicals with tax rebates.
The crackdown, which was not only against AAS raws, but several hundred chemicals listed among those banned by international law from export to unauthorized parties, happened weeks after the last US election and an attempt to head off what had been long brewing in the US: severe trade sanctions to force the CCP to stop being the world’s major source of synthetic drug precursors.
It didn’t work, and in additional to other tariffs, a special drug related 20% punitive tariff was put into place, along with the condition that it wouldn’t be removed until there was evidence of the Chinese government getting out of the controlled drug business.
By my rough calculations, that “drug tariff” cost China around $7 billion in trade losses so far this year.
And now it looks like Chinese crackdowns that started last year are having an impact.
Fentanyl seizures and deaths are way down. Alternate synthetic opioids appeared that didn’t use the same precursors, but those are disappearing as well.
The are reports of fentanyl, which many addicts developed a taste for and no longer only got by being tricked into thinking it was another drug, is being cut with heroin, which had almost disappeared since fentanyl was so cheap. Now that fentanyl is getting tight, with the return of the Taliban Afghanistan has supposedly ramped up supply of heroin to meet opiate demand.
There’s been a recent shift on the street back to Meth, both to avoid th overdose death risk everyone knows aging but because Mexican cartels can make it very cheap without relying on Chinese chemicals. Cocaine from Columbia via Venezuela made a big comeback in the last year, being cheaper than ever, so we’ll probably see the 1990’s crackhead walk return to replace the “fentanyl slump” in inner cities soon.
The US just announced half the 20% drug penalty tariff was being removed for China’s “cooperation” against synthetic drugs. It looks like, at least for now, China’s decided being a worldwide narco supplier state wasn’t worth the price being imposed.
A year’s worth of illegal drug precursor profits probably wasn’t equal to a day’s worth of lost Chinese plastic straw exports. Definately not worth the $7 billion and counting in lost trade revenue.
Since half the special drug tariff is still in place, that China would like to see removed, and the half just suspended could easily snap back if bags of controlled drug white powders start being seen in increasing numbers by US customs again, not only do I doubt the raws business will be returning in any meaningful way, I think it’ll be suppressed even more.
Anyone deciding to give it another shot in China is taking a huge risk. If their behavior threatens to cause the just lifted tariffs to be reimposed, they might find themselves making up for the economic losses to China in a very personal way.
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Overdose deaths are down 27% from 2023 to 2024, and 2025 is projected to be lower even still.
So, there's that.
Elektrobot
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Which correlates with the increased distribution and ease of access to narcan, and fent test strips.
My city started giving out free narcan and fent test strips and overdose deaths have significantly declined.
Naloxone Dispensing Rate Maps
View the estimated rate of pharmacy-dispensed naloxone prescriptions in the U.S.
www.cdc.gov
malfeasance
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As with most real world issues, there is probably a correlation to more than one factor.
