Cycle help?

[CGW]

Cycle / bloodwork advice needed​

Running a recomp cycle of 500 test / 300 primo / 200 mast / 4iu HGH / 2mg reta per week.

Injecting glutes every other day currently for stability. Why is my test so much lower than I think it should be? When I was running 160 test on TRT I was around 1350 total / 350 free.

Any advice on tweaking my stack? Strength during the recomp has been solid, lean gains are coming on fast.

total test - 1705
free test - 472

RBC count - 5.4
hematocrit - 50.4

prolactin - 9.4

estradiol - 36

IGF 1 LC/MS - 496

Z score - 3.0


Some have said the test has to be underdosed. - its from a respected source and the brand is Pharmacom.


36 y/o, 215ish lbs, 22-24% body fat currently - lipids panel not in here because the lab order didn't have it on there - going to get that redone next week.

 

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Cycle / bloodwork advice needed​

Running a recomp cycle of 500 test / 300 primo / 200 mast / 4iu HGH / 2mg reta per week.

Injecting glutes every other day currently for stability. Why is my test so much lower than I think it should be? When I was running 160 test on TRT I was around 1350 total / 350 free.

Any advice on tweaking my stack? Strength during the recomp has been solid, lean gains are coming on fast.

total test - 1705
free test - 472

RBC count - 5.4
hematocrit - 50.4

prolactin - 9.4

estradiol - 36

IGF 1 LC/MS - 496

Z score - 3.0


Some have said the test has to be underdosed. - its from a respected source and the brand is Pharmacom.


36 y/o, 215ish lbs, 22-24% body fat currently - lipids panel not in here because the lab order didn't have it on there - going to get that redone next week.

Why are you blasting on a recomp at 22-25 percent body fat? Your tweak should be trt level test, GH is okay and cut some body fat down then go back into a lean growth phase.

 

[CGW]

So cut out the primo/mast and lower the test back down?

Why are you blasting on a recomp at 22-25 percent body fat? Your tweak should be trt level test, GH is okay and cut some body fat down then go back into a lean growth phase.

 

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So cut out the primo/mast and lower the test back down?

I would. Primo and mast are much more beneficial at lower body fat. Play the long game. GH and test at 125-150 a week, get the cardio up, diet locked down and training consistent. Get that body fat down to 12 or so then revisit. Just be patient, dont rush it. You’ll see a lot more results if you change the approach and build up from a recomp then trying to build up and come down in a recomp. AAS are much more impactful at a lower body fat as I assume you aren’t trying to be a powerlifter. You can expect to get down to 185-190 to see the body fat range that would be much more ideal to go into a blast. You want to do this for a long time the approach is important. Kudos for doing bloodwork though. Also unless you did a dexa scan your body fat is just a guess. That body fat could be why your test isn’t hitting like it should. Everything is cause and effect.

 

[CGW]

I would. Primo and mast are much more beneficial at lower body fat. Play the long game. GH and test at 125-150 a week, get the cardio up, diet locked down and training consistent. Get that body fat down to 12 or so then revisit. Just be patient, dont rush it. You’ll see a lot more results if you change the approach and build up from a recomp then trying to build up and come down in a recomp. AAS are much more impactful at a lower body fat as I assume you aren’t trying to be a powerlifter. You can expect to get down to 185-190 to see the body fat range that would be much more ideal to go into a blast. You want to do this for a long time the approach is important. Kudos for doing bloodwork though. Also unless you did a dexa scan your body fat is just a guess. That body fat could be why your test isn’t hitting like it should. Everything is cause and effect.

thank you for the friendly advice man. I guess I got some more work to do.

 

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thank you for the friendly advice man. I guess I got some more work to do.

It’s okay brother. We’ve all been there. Smart things you’ve done. Bloodwork, milder AAS, asked for advice. You didn’t jump on the tren train and that should be for later or not at all if possible. Keep this thread going plenty of folks will help (some will be asses regardless). We can talk diet and training also. It’s much easier to help someone when they are open minded. Save that expensive primo and mast for when you will get the most out of it. Heck get the body fat down and we can talk a nice growth cycle that don’t use those expensive ones and can still be milder. Look into Reta it’s a nice tool for recomp and still lets you eat well and pairs nice with GH.

 

[CGW]

It’s okay brother. We’ve all been there. Smart things you’ve done. Bloodwork, milder AAS, asked for advice. You didn’t jump on the tren train and that should be for later or not at all if possible. Keep this thread going plenty of folks will help (some will be asses regardless). We can talk diet and training also. It’s much easier to help someone when they are open minded. Save that expensive primo and mast for when you will get the most out of it. Heck get the body fat down and we can talk a nice growth cycle that don’t use those expensive ones and can still be milder. Look into Reta it’s a nice tool for recomp and still lets you eat well and pairs nice with GH.

shit ill take you up on the training advice and diet - im using macrofactor to track everything food related. currently only eating 2038 calories 204g protein/45g fat/200g carbs. i eat hella clean aside from one meal a week when the wife wants to eat out. my training routine is 6 days right now. i use hevy for that. curious as to what you got for me. thanks again. im currently running Reta 2mg a week.

the curls on the 2nd back and biceps day are super setted as well(the color line next to the exercise means its superset) it just didn't show it for some reason.

 

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shit ill take you up on the training advice and diet - im using macrofactor to track everything food related. currently only eating 2038 calories 204g protein/45g fat/200g carbs. i eat hella clean aside from one meal a week when the wife wants to eat out. my training routine is 6 days right now. i use hevy for that. curious as to what you got for me. thanks again. im currently running Reta 2mg a week.

the curls on the 2nd back and biceps day are super setted as well(the color line next to the exercise means its superset) it just didn't show it for some reason.

What’s your training experience before we dive into suggestions? Novice, intermediate etc… what training principles are you familiar with or have done? Don’t be worried about someone being a ass this is what this place is fir and we don’t see much of it anymore so it’s refreshing