Clinton In Deep Shit.

[heady muscle]

That's America bro.

BOOOOOOO! lol Because we let it be that way. But you are correct.

 

[Big_paul]

At least she wasn't sexually compromised by the Russians. Russia owns the Orange Man.

 

[insertnamehere]

Not only did they try to put the blame on her because they are spineless chicken shits, you better believe they knew she most likely would be running for president.

All staged bullshit. And how many people ate it up? Too many.

All staged BS? Wow. Yeah, those people that died had nothing to do with her incompetence. And I suppose the excuse about a YouTube video being responsible is a plausible explanation too.

 

[ronin17]

The GOP doesn't get to pick and choose where the president or Clinton allocates the money so, no, the GOP did not defund security in benghazi. Here's just a few facts. when I have time i can post more.


State Department Official Charlene Lamb Testified Before The House Oversight Committee That Budget Cuts Had Nothing To Do With Security Decisions In Benghazi. REP. DANA ROHRABACHER (R-CA): “It has been suggested the budget cuts are responsible for lack of security in Benghazi, and I’d like to ask Ms. Lamb, you made this decision personally, was there any budget consideration and lack of budget that led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?” CHARLENE LAMB: “No, sir.” (U.S. House Of Representatives, Oversight And Government Reform Committee


“I Do Not Feel That We Have Ever Been At A Point Where We Have Sacrificed Security Due To Lack Of Funding.” “Robert Baldre, your chief financial officer for diplomatic security, stated, and I quote, ‘I do not feel that we have ever been at a point where we have sacrificed security due to lack of funding,’ Rep. Steven Chabot, Ohio Republican, told Mrs. Clinton.” (Guy Taylor and Shaun Waterman, “Tears And Rage: Clinton Testily Defends Depiction Of Benghazi Events,”


“The RSO should be aware that the requests for expensive security upgrades may be difficult to obtain as headquarters is hesitant to allocate money to a post that may be closing in a few months.”


In 2009, The State Department Spent Nearly $300,000 On Alcohol. “Last year alone, the State Department sent taxpayers tabs totaling nearly $300,000 for alcoholic beverages — about twice as much compared to the previous year, according to an analysis of spending records by The Washington Times.” (Jim McElhatton, “Taxpayers Foot State Department’s Stiff Liquor Bill,”

Show me quotes from non partisan republicans dude. Quotes are just that. Quotes..words. The only thing that matters are facts.

 

[ronin17]

The GOP doesn't get to pick and choose where the president or Clinton allocates the money so, no, the GOP did not defund security in benghazi. Here's just a few facts. when I have time i can post more.


State Department Official Charlene Lamb Testified Before The House Oversight Committee That Budget Cuts Had Nothing To Do With Security Decisions In Benghazi. REP. DANA ROHRABACHER (R-CA): “It has been suggested the budget cuts are responsible for lack of security in Benghazi, and I’d like to ask Ms. Lamb, you made this decision personally, was there any budget consideration and lack of budget that led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?” CHARLENE LAMB: “No, sir.” (U.S. House Of Representatives, Oversight And Government Reform Committee


“I Do Not Feel That We Have Ever Been At A Point Where We Have Sacrificed Security Due To Lack Of Funding.” “Robert Baldre, your chief financial officer for diplomatic security, stated, and I quote, ‘I do not feel that we have ever been at a point where we have sacrificed security due to lack of funding,’ Rep. Steven Chabot, Ohio Republican, told Mrs. Clinton.” (Guy Taylor and Shaun Waterman, “Tears And Rage: Clinton Testily Defends Depiction Of Benghazi Events,”


“The RSO should be aware that the requests for expensive security upgrades may be difficult to obtain as headquarters is hesitant to allocate money to a post that may be closing in a few months.”


In 2009, The State Department Spent Nearly $300,000 On Alcohol. “Last year alone, the State Department sent taxpayers tabs totaling nearly $300,000 for alcoholic beverages — about twice as much compared to the previous year, according to an analysis of spending records by The Washington Times.” (Jim McElhatton, “Taxpayers Foot State Department’s Stiff Liquor Bill,”

"The gop dosent get to pick and choose where the president or clinton sends momey too"

You apparently have no idea how budgets and appropriations work.

Its done by committee. Its done in the house. Its done by majority. The gop has and had the majority.

Make sense now?

Actually the burden of proof that Clinton is not responsible would fall to you. You are proclaiming the entire reason for Benghazi was the house trimming the budget. What facts have you provided that backs up your statements? I simply can post HRC own words to show you she took responsibility. I will wait for you to post HRC saying she isn't responsible because the big bad republicans cut the budget. I have a feeling I will be waiting a very long time since your stance is she has zero responsibility. Here is her exact statement during the hearings. You can easily look it up for accuracy.

"I take responsibility for what happened in Benghazi," Clinton told the committee, which is expected publish a final report on the incident in 2016.

I will be waiting.

Honestly dude, I dont fucking care. Believe what you want. I didnt come to meso for political discussions. Every time I do I regret it. Lift heavy and be well.

 

[ronin17]

All staged BS? Wow. Yeah, those people that died had nothing to do with her incompetence. And I suppose the excuse about a YouTube video being responsible is a plausible explanation too.

Follow the discussion dude. I was referring to the bengazi hearings. And yes they were stagged bullshit.

Maybe dont get in the discussion if you dont know whats going on.

 

[GigaloRob]

Honestly dude, I dont fucking care. Believe what you want. I didnt come to meso for political discussions. Every time I do I regret it. Lift heavy and be well.

The problem is that you come in to these discussions and do nothing but insult and berate people for being stupid or not knowing the facts. You said Hillary is not responsible. I posted Hillary saying herself she is responsible. You said the House cutting the budget was the reason for Benghazi. I posted direct testimony from the top people under Hillary clearly stating that the budget had ZERO to do with Benghazi.

I challenged your assertions and I completely fact raped you to the point where I could be charged with rape. I even left out more but it would of been overkill at this point. Even after I posted clear evidence that destroyed your stance you still continue to spew the same nonsense to other members. What you are posting is not factual in any capacity as I have provided evidence to the contrary. You are simply insulting and degrading anyone here that doesn't agree with your uninformed bias opinion. Take a deep breath and move one from this because you clearly lost this one. There will be plenty of other arguments/debates where you can make a better informed argument for your views.

This reminds me of what my first girlfriend said to me at 8 years old "I know you feel it's not but it's over". Very fitting for this particular topic.

 

[insertnamehere]

Follow the discussion dude. I was referring to the bengazi hearings. And yes they were stagged bullshit.

Maybe dont get in the discussion if you dont know whats going on.

Settle down and try not to let your cognitive dissonance trouble you too much, dude.

I know what you were referring to and my comments are relevant since you believe the whole thing (Benghazi, the hearings, etc) were a farce led by republicans. Additionally, you believe HC isn't in anyway responsible for what happened. I'm sure you know this but a YouTube vid was used as a scapegoat to deflect accountability for what happened there.

So in summary: My comments to you are relevant to challenge your positions in this thread, dude.

 

[ronin17]

Settle down and try not to let your cognitive dissonance trouble you too much, dude.

I know what you were referring to and my comments are relevant since you believe the whole thing (Benghazi, the hearings, etc) were a farce led by republicans. Additionally, you believe HC isn't in anyway responsible for what happened. I'm sure you know this but a YouTube vid was used as a scapegoat to deflect accountability for what happened there.

So in summary: My comments to you are relevant to challenge your positions in this thread, dude.

If she was responsible for budgeting for contracters sure she would hold responsibility. If she were responsible for ANY form of budgeting relative to anything regarding the state department maybe she would be responsible.

Being that her functions of secretary of state have ZERO to do with how they spend thier money or how much money they have I dont see how she holds responsibility.

Before budget cuts more security.
After budget cuts less security.

Pretty simple to the Layman.

Let me ask, do you hold this much contemp and hatred for the bush administration for iraq?

I hear alot of you guys railing against Clinton for things she was not directly responsible for or having two email servers whoop Dee fucking Doo on that one, but never do you mention the administration who got over 5000 americans killed, thousands more injured, trillions of dollars in debt, created isis, made al queda stronger and did all that knowing it was all a pack of lies.

Where is the contempt and anger for them? Real crimes, real lies, thousands of deaths.

Where is the outrage for that?

 

[GigaloRob]

If she was responsible for budgeting for contracters sure she would hold responsibility. If she were responsible for ANY form of budgeting relative to anything regarding the state department maybe she would be responsible.

Being that her functions of secretary of state have ZERO to do with how they spend thier money or how much money they have I dont see how she holds responsibility.

Before budget cuts more security.
After budget cuts less security.

Pretty simple to the Layman.

Let me ask, do you hold this much contemp and hatred for the bush administration for iraq?

I hear alot of you guys railing against Clinton for things she was not directly responsible for or having two email servers whoop Dee fucking Doo on that one, but never do you mention the administration who got over 5000 americans killed, thousands more injured, trillions of dollars in debt, created isis, made al queda stronger and did all that knowing it was all a pack of lies.

Where is the contempt and anger for them? Real crimes, real lies, thousands of deaths.

Where is the outrage for that?

I can't believe you are still arguing that Clinton wasn't responsible and that budget cuts were a factor. You do realize that almost all budget requests are never fully approved? Regardless of party they actually over estimate what they need and then it gets approved almost every single time at a lower amount. I can show you this fact as well. Not that it matters because you are clearly blinded. Please spare everyone on how you "feel" because facts don't care about your feelings and neither do I. Also this thread is about Clinton which is why she is being discussed and not focused on the failure of the rest of the administration.

 

[ronin17]

The problem is that you come in to these discussions and do nothing but insult and berate people for being stupid or not knowing the facts. You said Hillary is not responsible. I posted Hillary saying herself she is responsible. You said the House cutting the budget was the reason for Benghazi. I posted direct testimony from the top people under Hillary clearly stating that the budget had ZERO to do with Benghazi.

I challenged your assertions and I completely fact raped you to the point where I could be charged with rape. I even left out more but it would of been overkill at this point. Even after I posted clear evidence that destroyed your stance you still continue to spew the same nonsense to other members. What you are posting is not factual in any capacity as I have provided evidence to the contrary. You are simply insulting and degrading anyone here that doesn't agree with your uninformed bias opinion. Take a deep breath and move one from this because you clearly lost this one. There will be plenty of other arguments/debates where you can make a better informed argument for your views.

This reminds me of what my first girlfriend said to me at 8 years old "I know you feel it's not but it's over". Very fitting for this particular topic.

I watched the benggazi hearings. Did you? She never took responsibility for the people getting killed because it wasnt her fault. You can post statements for Republican state department officials, wow thats not predictable.

You can also post one sentence out of the five hour hearings that makes it look like she is responsible. I cant believe this is so difficult for you to understand.

1) Clinton was not responsible for hiring contracters.
2) clinton was not responsible for paying for contracters.
3) Clinton was not responsible for staffing contracters.

You see the common thread her @GigaloRob?

Still you want to blame her because she was the secretary even though the secretary Job has zero to do with staffing contracters? What ever go for it.

I guess life is easier when you dont have to actually think.

 

[ronin17]

I can't believe you are still arguing that Clinton wasn't responsible and that budget cuts were a factor. You do realize that almost all budget requests are never fully approved? Regardless of party they actually over estimate what they need and then it gets approved almost every single time at a lower amount. I can show you this fact as well. Not that it matters because you are clearly blinded. Please spare everyone on how you "feel" because facts don't care about your feelings and neither do I. Also this thread is about Clinton which is why she is being discussed and not focused on the failure of the rest of the administration.

No. Im done. discussing this is like trying to teach algebra to a monkey.

 

[XKawN]

I watched the benggazi hearings. Did you? She never took responsibility for the people getting killed because it wasnt her fault. You can post statements for Republican state department officials, wow thats not predictable.

You can also post one sentence out of the five hour hearings that makes it look like she is responsible. I cant believe this is so difficult for you to understand.

1) Clinton was not responsible for hiring contracters.
2) clinton was not responsible for paying for contracters.
3) Clinton was not responsible for staffing contracters.

You see the common thread her @GigaloRob?

Still you want to blame her because she was the secretary even though the secretary Job has zero to do with staffing contracters? What ever go for it.

I guess life is easier when you dont have to actually think.

So, Republicans in Congress were responsible for hiring Benghazi contractors and for personally allocating Benghazi budget? Then what "was" her job? Was she not responsible for the lie about the video? When she, Obama and this administration were in the war room, watching the attack live, we're they not in the position to offer help? There were soldiers not far away ready to deploy yet never did. Can't imagine, embassies in our allies countries were well guarded, yet we couldn't send a few contractors to Benghazi.

 

[GigaloRob]

No. Im done. discussing this is like trying to teach algebra to a monkey.

You have provided zero facts and I have supplied many. You have discussed your feelings and I have shown facts. I can't take you seriously at this point because all you do is spew false information and then insult anyone that doesn't agree with you. You are following the liberal playbook here by offering no facts, telling people how you feel about something as if that trumps facts and insulting others with a differing opinion in order to shut them down. My favorite insult is when you attempt to take the intellectual high ground after all your statements have been decimated and debunked.

I'm not going to call you stupid or insult your level of intelligence because I honestly don't know you well enough. I don't attribute intelligence to someone's political views. It's ok to be wrong and to lose a pseudo political debate as I have done to people in my life before. I'm not always correct and when someone can show my statements to be inaccurate I will admit I was wrong. Nobody here can discuss how right or wrong your personal feelings are since they are yours which is why facts are important and not your personal feelings.

 

[GigaloRob]

What a shock now that influence can no longer be paid for this "charity" is drying up.

 

[insertnamehere]

If she was responsible for budgeting for contracters sure she would hold responsibility. If she were responsible for ANY form of budgeting relative to anything regarding the state department maybe she would be responsible.

Being that her functions of secretary of state have ZERO to do with how they spend thier money or how much money they have I dont see how she holds responsibility.

Before budget cuts more security.
After budget cuts less security.

Pretty simple to the Layman.

Let me ask, do you hold this much contemp and hatred for the bush administration for iraq?

I hear alot of you guys railing against Clinton for things she was not directly responsible for or having two email servers whoop Dee fucking Doo on that one, but never do you mention the administration who got over 5000 americans killed, thousands more injured, trillions of dollars in debt, created isis, made al queda stronger and did all that knowing it was all a pack of lies.

Where is the contempt and anger for them? Real crimes, real lies, thousands of deaths.

Where is the outrage for that?

Then by your logic (not in charge of the purse), Bush isn't responsible either, right?

BTW, just so we're clear - I have contempt for ALL politicians to some degree.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

He'll spend his time pumping up private prisons, encourage stop and frisk policies and keep our prisons nice and full. Home of the not so free.

Hey, prostitute's are legal in Australia... Show some respect.

No reason prisons shouldn't be privatized.

Stop and frisk works.

Those living in countries without any equivalent of either the 1st or the 2nd Amendments have no business lecturing anyone on freedom.

The only good P4P girls are found outside the western world.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

Actually he is not in charge yet so your statement is incorrect. I thought I would point that out to you since you proclaim others are stupid and don't know the facts. Let me ask you this question, did you place blame on Bush for the 9-11 attacks? I'm sure you will not admit you did but I can assure you the left did and judged him for it.

Every president is judged by the success and failures for his/her policies and the overall conduct of their administration. One could say Benghazi is also part of Obama's responsibility because he appointed Clinton if one were to reach that far. See we can assign blame to anyone in the chain if we wanted but that's not what I and others are doing here. It's not reaching to say that the person directly in charge of that specific department is responsible for what happens in that particular department especially when she admitted herself she is responsible. Seems that you are the only one reaching here is you.

Maybe he didn't get a reach-around last time....

 

[Eman]

No reason prisons shouldn't be privatized.

I'm not going to debate with you on the pitfalls of turning prisons into a business. There are multiple reasons why it is and or can become more of an issue.

Stop and frisk works

Even if stop and frisk did work, which it really doesn't, I would not support this kind of tactic...

It's funny, the right wants less government intervention in our lives and yet supports being stopped on the street and searched for no reason. GTFO.

The only good P4P girls are found outside the western world.

Somehow I knew you'd include your own experience with prostitute's in your reply to my sarcasm... HIV infected minors don't do much for me personally.

 

[DedLift]

What i find interesting is that career politicians such as Hillary become millionaires. These politicians are supposed to be working for the people who've appointed them. So, where did all their extra income originate?

Many were businessmen and wealthy to begin with but those who've worked their way up the political ladder become multi millionaires. The answer is corruption pure and simple