CA Prop 8 & DOMA

Michael Scally MD

Doctor of Medicine
10+ Year Member
The closing arguments have been given in the Prop 8 (Gay Marriage) trial in CA. This is only the first stage in what will prove to be a long process. Regardless of who prevails at the district court level, the case will be appealed. Following is a NYT editorial. Also, the attachments are the closing arguments of the Plaintiff and Defendant.


Weddings for Everybody!
Op-Ed Columnist - Weddings for Everybody! - NYTimes.com

June 19, 2010
By MAUREEN DOWD
SAN FRANCISCO

Everything about the climax of the legal quest to overturn California’s ban on gay marriage was appropriately cinematic — even the month best to imagine two men atop a wedding cake or two women walking down the aisle.

“It may be appropriate that the case is coming to closing argument now,” Chief Judge Vaughn Walker said with a twinkle. “June is, after all, the month for weddings.”

The Federal District Court trial that seems tailored for a made-for-TV movie features the remarkable odd-couple pairing of two lawyers who have already been depicted in a made-for-TV movie, “Recount,” about their rivalry in another historic trial, Bush v. Gore. The conservative Ted Olson now prides himself on being “an honorary lesbian,” and the liberal David Boies now prides himself on upbraiding Barack Obama for not pushing to give gays the same shot at marital bliss — and misery — that people like the president’s parents got when interracial marriage was legalized.

Officiating from on high was the dapper and quirky, silver-haired, silver-tongued, silver-goateed Judge Walker, who would have been played in a 40s movie by Clifton Webb. The anti-Ito, Judge Walker moved the trial along without preening for the media, asking thought-provoking and occasionally droll questions of lawyers for both sides. Walker is something of a character who invites magicians to perform at the annual court conference and who once made a mail thief wear a sign that said: “I have stolen mail. This is my punishment.” Heightening the dramatic possibilities, he is also, according to The San Francisco Chronicle, gay himself, which might give Prop 8 proponents ammunition to claim bias if he rules against them.

Chad Griffin, the gay former Clinton aide who is the strategic mastermind of the legal battle against Prop 8, is handsome, boyish and clever, right out of central casting with hip glasses and sharp suits.

In his two-hours-plus closing argument Wednesday, Charles Cooper, the slim, white-haired lawyer arguing against same-sex marriage, evoked the Paul Newman character in “The Verdict,” a man who was out of his depth against a superior legal team.

But Paul Newman was able to lift it in time to save his case. Cooper appeared not to have his heart in his endgame. He didn’t even stay for the Q. and A. part of the news conference after court on Wednesday. Like he had somewhere more important to be in the middle of the afternoon following arguments on a landmark case?

His close was so lame that if you didn’t know better, you’d think he was trying to throw the case. Maybe he was shaken by the fact that some of the defense witnesses had bailed, intimidated by the Boies deposition process. Another defense witness, David Blankenhorn, the president of the Institute for American Values, a group that studies marriage and families, inexplicably ended up helping the plaintiffs when he said that heterosexual couples have been busy “deinstitutionalizing” the institution of marriage, and that adoptive parents are as good as natural parents. He also said that “we will be more American on the day we permit same-sex marriage” and give gays human dignity.

Cooper failed to reflect the fervor of the anti-gay-marriage proponents who frothed in 2008, direly warning that marital parity would cause moral damage, hurting children, helping the devil and destroying civilization.

He tepidly offered an apocalyptic warning: “Without the marital relationship, Your Honor, society would come to an end.” He blamed “irresponsible procreation” — even though heterosexuals are the more likely perpetrators.

At one point, Cooper was pressed by the judge, who said, “I don’t mean to be flip,” but went on to ask the lawyer what testimony in the case supports the proposition that the object of marriage is procreation.

Cooper said he didn’t need evidence of that point, surprising the judge, and argued that, even if that was wrong, Judge Walker should uphold the law because the people of California had voted for the same-sex-marriage ban.

Walker seemed bemused, as he did through much of Cooper’s stumbling close. “But the state doesn’t withhold the right to marriage to people who are unable to produce children of their own,” the judge said. “Are you suggesting the state should?” Cooper said no, failing to offer any compelling argument for discriminating against same-sex couples.

Olson was at the top of his game as he concluded the case and got a standing ovation from those watching the proceedings onscreen in the overflow room.

“And I submit, at the end of the day,” he said, “ ‘I don’t know’ and ‘I don’t have to put any evidence,’ with all due respect to Mr. Cooper, does not cut it. It does not cut it when you are taking away the constitutional rights, basic human rights, and human decency from a large group of individuals.”
 

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hopefully Kennedy sticks by his Lawrence v Texas reasoning n joins a majority to strike down prop 8 in 2 years.
 
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excellent news indeed, and bodes for a quick trajectory to SCOTUS...
 
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I think it's bullshit that a gay judge(look it up, Judge Vaughn Walker is a known queer) can make a decision that overturns a law voted in the most democratic way: by the people! The Constitution was designed for the good of the people and if the people voted against gay marriage, then that should be upheld no matter what a judge says. The nation is swirling down the shitter.
 
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I think it's bullshit that a gay judge(look it up, Judge Vaughn Walker is a known queer) can make a decision that overturns a law voted in the most democratic way: by the people! The Constitution was designed for the good of the people and if the people voted against gay marriage, then that should be upheld no matter what a judge says. The nation is swirling down the shitter.

u obviously need a GOP-style reminder that the USA is NOT A DEMOCRACY, rather, we are a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC. the rule of law is both to protect the majority against the minority, AND to protect the minority against the majority.

democracy is just a bit more than 2 wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner, after all. to VIOLATE the Constitution, you have to AMEND the Constitution...and i'm sure u know u aint got the votes for THAT. :cool:
 
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My personal view on marriage is that it is a life-long covenant between God, a man and a woman. Before the insults start flying, please allow me to finish. The institution of faith based marriage exists and is defined within the heart of the people involved in said covenant. The "covenant" of marriage is not, nor has it ever been a matter of national policy. The only reason the government is interested in the legal definition of marriage is for tax purposes. The time to be enraged over the national state of the term "marriage" has come and passed. Where were the cries of heresy as the divorce rate soared over 50%? If the premis for disagreeing with gay marriage is based in Christian principles......well, we dropped the ball a long time ago and it had nothing to do with same-sex marriage.
 
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My personal view on marriage is that it is a life-long covenant between God, a man and a woman. Before the insults start flying, please allow me to finish. The institution of faith based marriage exists and is defined within the heart of the people involved in said covenant. The "covenant" of marriage is not, nor has it ever been a matter of national policy. The only reason the government is interested in the legal definition of marriage is for tax purposes. The time to be enraged over the national state of the term "marriage" has come and passed. Where were the cries of heresy as the divorce rate soared over 50%? If the premis for disagreeing with gay marriage is based in Christian principles......well, we dropped the ball a long time ago and it had nothing to do with same-sex marriage.

not a bad post. in angled counterpoint, there really has been no effort i'm aware of to force or goad any given religion to accept or perform homosexual marriages in the context of their own faith...the "controversy" has always been about people wanting to deny stable, longterm homosexual couplings and any children they raise the legal protections (over 1,000+ at the Federal level alone) that come with the legal definition of "marriage".

California's "Prop 8" violates the 14th Amendment. the verdict striking it down will be appealed, and that appeal is likely to reach the SCOTUS. if it does, it is reasonable to suspect there will be at least 5 votes to uphold the current decision, and laws denying the right of same-sex partners to marry will become a historical footnote...as segregrational laws are now.
 
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I think this is BS, makes me sick. Its amazing how the people voted no and a judge can over turn it a gay one at that.
 
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USA is NOT A DEMOCRACY, rather, we are a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC. the rule of law is both to protect the majority against the minority, AND to protect the minority against the majority.

democracy is just a bit more than 2 wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner, after all.

This is a very good thing about the USA.
 
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Marriage Is a Constitutional Right
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/05/opinion/05thu1.html?ref=opinion

August 4, 2010

Until Wednesday, the thousands of same-sex couples who have married did so because a state judge or Legislature allowed them to. The nation’s most fundamental guarantees of freedom, set out in the Constitution, were not part of the equation. That has changed with the historic decision by a federal judge in California, Vaughn Walker, that said his state’s ban on same-sex marriage violated the 14th Amendment’s rights to equal protection and due process of law.

The decision, though an instant landmark in American legal history, is more than that. It also is a stirring and eloquently reasoned denunciation of all forms of irrational discrimination, the latest link in a chain of pathbreaking decisions that permitted interracial marriages and decriminalized gay sex between consenting adults.

As the case heads toward appeals at the circuit level and probably the Supreme Court, Judge Walker’s opinion will provide a firm legal foundation that will be difficult for appellate judges to assail.

The case was brought by two gay couples who said California’s Proposition 8, which passed in 2008 with 52 percent of the vote, discriminated against them by prohibiting same-sex marriage and relegating them to domestic partnerships. The judge easily dismissed the idea that discrimination is permissible if a majority of voters approve it; the referendum’s outcome was “irrelevant,” he said, quoting a 1943 case, because “fundamental rights may not be submitted to a vote.”

He then dismantled, brick by crumbling brick, the weak case made by supporters of Proposition 8 and laid out the facts presented in testimony. The two witnesses called by the supporters (the state having bowed out of the case) had no credibility, he said, and presented no evidence that same-sex marriage harmed society or the institution of marriage.

Same-sex couples are identical to opposite-sex couples in their ability to form successful marital unions and raise children, he said. Though procreation is not a necessary goal of marriage, children of same-sex couples will benefit from the stability provided by marriage, as will the state and society. Domestic partnerships confer a second-class status. The discrimination inherent in that second-class status is harmful to gay men and lesbians. These findings of fact will be highly significant as the case winds its way through years of appeals.

One of Judge Walker’s strongest points was that traditional notions of marriage can no longer be used to justify discrimination, just as gender roles in opposite-sex marriage have changed dramatically over the decades. All marriages are now unions of equals, he wrote, and there is no reason to restrict that equality to straight couples. The exclusion of same-sex couples from marriage “exists as an artifact of a time when the genders were seen as having distinct roles in society and in marriage,” he wrote. “That time has passed.”

To justify the proposition’s inherent discrimination on the basis of sex and sexual orientation, he wrote, there would have to be a compelling state interest in banning same-sex marriage. But no rational basis for discrimination was presented at the two-and-a-half-week trial in January, he said. The real reason for Proposition 8, he wrote, is a moral view “that there is something wrong with same-sex couples,” and that is not a permissible reason for legislation.

“Moral disapproval alone,” he wrote, in words that could someday help change history, “is an improper basis on which to deny rights to gay men and women.”

The ideological odd couple who led the case — Ted Olson and David Boies, who fought against each other in the Supreme Court battle over the 2000 election — were criticized by some supporters of same-sex marriage for moving too quickly to the federal courts. Certainly, there is no guarantee that the current Supreme Court would uphold Judge Walker’s ruling. But there are times when legal opinions help lead public opinions.

Just as they did for racial equality in previous decades, the moment has arrived for the federal courts to bestow full equality to millions of gay men and lesbians.
 
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gotta love Steven Colbert...


i notice the "American Family Association" intends to petition Congress to impeach Judge Walker....it's nice to know that Republicans can still fixate on gay sex while the economy disintegrates...

Well it has been proven in many studies that the ecomomy was killed by gayness. Think about it....the bull statue on wall street is big and mean. A nelly bull would never survive. So Ferdinand the nelly bull dies and now we're left with that damn bear.....and I don't have what Mr. Colbert thinks about bears. Its science and shit bro.......[:o)]
 
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Well it has been proven in many studies that the ecomomy was killed by gayness. Think about it....the bull statue on wall street is big and mean. A nelly bull would never survive. So Ferdinand the nelly bull dies and now we're left with that damn bear.....and I don't have what Mr. Colbert thinks about bears. Its science and shit bro.......[:o)]

we kill economies? i always thought we caused earthquakes with all our invasions of the fundament...the Romans believed it, so it MUST be true!


speaking of the Romans, it's my understanding that the for them, marriage was an expressly government-oriented institution, delineating property- and inheritance rights...and that until the 10th or 11th Century, the Catholic Church stayed OUT of the marriage business.
 
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we kill economies? i always thought we caused earthquakes with all our invasions of the fundament...the Romans believed it, so it MUST be true!


speaking of the Romans, it's my understanding that the for them, marriage was an expressly government-oriented institution, delineating property- and inheritance rights...and that until the 10th or 11th Century, the Catholic Church stayed OUT of the marriage business.

Welll.........Romans also thought lace-up man sandals and skirts were cool.
 
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Welll.........Romans also thought lace-up man sandals and skirts were cool.

hey, can't hide who's worth his salt in such revealing n form-fitting man-wear!;)

don't forget that the Founders and their contemporaries judged a man's worth based on the size of his calves, n besides his height n good reputation, George Washington had the nicest, meatiest calves around!
 
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Okay...

There are a few posts noting that the judge whom overturned Prop 8 is gay, as if that somehow lends a bias. While it may, the same argument could be made against a straight judge, or a similar argument with equal weight. In other words, its a pointless observation, especially considering his ruling which is overflowing with fact and not subjective opinion.

Regarding those that hold religious views and contend that marriage is a covenant between God, a man, and woman, etc. - wrong. That view is entirely exclusive to your religion, and there are many different religions on earth, and many of them vary wildly in their definition of marriage and its purpose. The point here is that while you may argue that marriage is not the domain of the government, it's also not the domain of - for example - the Mormon church, which was the primary financial sponsor of the Prop 8 campaign in California. In other words, enjoy your Sunday worship, preach your gospel when and where you can do so peacefully, and otherwise kindly keep your nose out of the rest of the world's business. Marriage is not yours to define and control.

Ya know, in an age where the Catholic church is spending paritioner tithes toward multiple settlements paid to people that were repeatedly raped - as Children - by their Priests (including many homosexual Priests enganged in sodomy, mind you) - Priests whom were not only protected from prosecution by a vast (and now publicly documented) conspiracy that went all the way to the Pope, but also rotated back into other churches elsewhere where they repeated their actions... well, with that going on, you'd think that putting an end to the so-called horrors of gay marriage would fall off the list of important issues to address.

And I don't know, if I were a Pastor of a conservative or evangelical church, I might spend a few sermons talking about the evils of gay bashing, hate crimes against homosexuals, and even murders, which often take place in the name of God and religion, before addressing gay marriage. One does seem slightly more important and particularly relevant to their audience, than the other.

Bottom line, this country has been a source of continual and painful revolution, from slavery to segregation to women's sufferage, and all along the way there have been people determined to maintain that abhorable status quo, typically in the name of God, decency, or some type of moral standard.

I just hope that 30 years from now, if and when my gay or lesbian or transgendered son or daughter looks back at a period of time in American history when their rights as equal citizens were being defined, that they'll have something to be proud of - a moment when we showed our civil courage as a Country - at a time when many argue we're "circling the drain". I just hope.


-LE
 

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