Binge Eating and Tren -- Experiences?

It seems that on my second run with Tren (300 mg a week of Enanthate which I frontloaded with 80mg Ace EOD // my first time I ran 10mg Ace every day, which did nothing but give me side effects), I’ve become absolutely ravenous when it comes to food. I’m no stranger to binge eating; I’ve struggled with it since my mid-teens. I never became extremely obese, but I did peak at 225 lb at 5′8″ when I was 16. This was back when I didn’t care about exercising or diet and just ate whatever my mom made.

Unfortunately for me, instead of turning to drugs to cope with stress/depression, I turned to food. I would eat until my stomach was in agony and my whole body felt sluggish. These binges easily wiped out any calorie deficit I’d built during the week, no matter how aggressive it was.

I had good results with smaller doses of tirzepatide, titrating from 2.5 mg up to 10 mg and dropping from 189 lb to 173 lb before my supply ran out. When I started retatrutide, 2.5 mg hit me harder than the 5 mg of tirzepatide I planned for that day. I felt nauseous and slow when eating, barely managing 1,600 calories a day. That effect wore off by the third shot. I miss that feeling and haven’t felt anything close to it since, even with cagrilintide. As I raised my dose, I made it down to 153 lb, though not with much muscle.

Now, even with high doses of appetite suppressants, Tren has completely overpowered them and made me even hungrier. I think part of the weight gain came from being a bit depressed before the cycle, which got worse during the first four weeks before my mood leveled out. During that time, I was eating 5,000–6,000+ calories or more several days in a row. In just four weeks on Tren I went from 163 lb at a conservative 14% body fat to 180 lb at around 20%. Some of that is water and glycogen, but the initial fat gain was obvious before any tren recomp effect started kicking in.

Current dosages:
200 mg/week Test C (split MWF)
300 mg/week Tren E (split MWF) started 9/19
4 IU HGH daily
12 mg/week Retatrutide (split MF)
3.33 mg/week Semaglutide (split MF)
2 mg/week Cagrilintide (split MF)
20 mg Cardarine daily

Considering adding:
MOTS-C 2 mg daily to help with fatigue on low-calorie days
Tesofensine 500 mcg daily to blunt dopamine spikes from binges and reduce fatigue

My gym progress has indubitably been slowed by my inability to lean down enough to start a proper massing phase. I'm essentially a permacutter without the leanness. I was drawn to Tren because many people said it destroyed their appetite. I’m now in week 7 and stabilizing around 180lb when not loaded with glycogen and water from binges. The fat gain hasn’t been pleasant, but I’m finally seeing some recomp, and the strength gains are addictive, which makes dropping the tren not very appealing.

I expect a lot of you just to say something along the lines of: "lol ur using tren under 200lb? Drop the tren and kys now." or tell me that I'm a pig with no self-control who's looking for shortcuts (which I'll admit that you're not entirely wrong), but I don't care. I just want to know if there are other people who relate to my experience, whether it comes to bingeing, tren appetite, or the GLP ineffectiveness, as it seems that all I can find are people who can't eat at all on 2mg of reta.
 
163 lb at a conservative 14% body fat to 180 lb at around 20%
Is this by dexa or you just guessing?

Drop the tren. Get scans. Get bloods. Sort your macros (my guess is you're eating too much sugar and not enough protein). Your peptide dosing is ridiculous.

If you're depressed, stop fuckin around and get that sorted first. Then down the road make a better, more conservative PED plan and start over.
 
Dude I wouldn’t be able to eat anything between the Reta , sema, and cagri doses. Tren gives me crazy sugar cravings and makes me go hypo so maybe dropping it would work better for you. Sorting out the depression first before adding anything that could mess with your mental well being could also be a good place to start.
 
You could try reducing your trenbolone dose to see? Or maybe you're just not suited to trenbolone. For example, I can't take DHB; that stuff makes me incredibly hungry all the time, even at 100mg per week.
 
A 180lbs 5’8” 20%bf individual doesn’t need to be running tren.

Also it’s ok and normal to experience hunger, you just have to be a reasonable adult about it. You wouldn’t be the first or last person to learn that an aggressive binge after a cut is a huge mistake. Many of us learn that one the hard way, I know I did.
 
Is this by dexa or you just guessing?

Drop the tren. Get scans. Get bloods. Sort your macros (my guess is you're eating too much sugar and not enough protein). Your peptide dosing is ridiculous.

If you're depressed, stop fuckin around and get that sorted first. Then down the road make a better, more conservative PED plan and start over.
Conservative estimates with my eyes, I have bloodwork. My mental has been improving lately, but it is more related to body image issues than any other external factors, hence the tren lol. I acknowledge that jumping on aggressive cycles in such a mental state is not the best idea, and I will drop my dose down to 150mg/wk to see if it alleviates the hunger pangs for a few more weeks until I conclude the cycle. Spoken like an addict.

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A 180lbs 5’8” 20%bf individual doesn’t need to be running tren.

Also it’s ok and normal to experience hunger, you just have to be a reasonable adult about it. You wouldn’t be the first or last person to learn that an aggressive binge after a cut is a huge mistake. Many of us learn that one the hard way, I know I did.
Hence my last paragraph, I understand that this is more of a psychological problem for me than anything else. This is not the first time I've rebounded quickly after a fat-loss phase. We all want to results quick! That's why we're running these cattle and horse compounds that have horrible deleterious effects on our health. I think I am coming closer to realizing that there's no amount of peptides or AAS that is able to overpower the longstanding bad relationship I have with my body image, and it's going to take a lot of work on the mental aspect of things to fix it.
 
Hence my last paragraph, I understand that this is more of a psychological problem for me than anything else. This is not the first time I've rebounded quickly after a fat-loss phase. We all want to results quick! That's why we're running these cattle and horse compounds that have horrible deleterious effects on our health. I think I am coming closer to realizing that there's no amount of peptides or AAS that is able to overpower the longstanding bad relationship I have with my body image, and it's going to take a lot of work on the mental aspect of things to fix it.
Tough to give an exact estimate with the picture you posted but you are not 20% bf brother! You look good! We’re all engaging in a lil recreational body dysmorphia. Try not to be hard on yourself and get out of your own head. Im sure you’ve come a very long way from your starting point
 
what were you eating?
im at 7mg tirz i cant eat clean anymore on this dose
On days I go off the rails it usually starts like this: get home from work being ravenously hungry, then instantly start grazing on random foods before and while my food is heating up. My planned meals will usually consist of a carb (usually potatoes, rice, pasta) and protein (93/7 ground beef, chicken breast, shrimp) which I prepared earlier that week.

The grazing is usually instantly ready junk snack foods like Oreos, loaf cakes, and Nature Valley bars, but it also includes a fair share of cleaner options like watermelon, bananas, mangoes, and boiled eggs. Once I finish my planned meal there's usually a bit more grazing after that, be it cereal, waffles, or whatever other carb I can get my hands on. It's more of a sugar/carb craving than anything else. The carbs also tend to fly through me as I'll be ready to do the same thing in 2-3 hours.

I really need to train myself to just not have the junk foods in the house in the first place and to just be a little more patient, maybe eat my food cold if I have to. It takes a little while for my body to tell me to stop eating and it's usually too late at that point even with all the peptides. My HBA1C is 5.0% and my FBG is around 85 in the morning so I don't think it's because I'm going hypo from the tren or GLPs. I will start experimenting with shorter gaps between meals to prevent these big binges from happening.
 
experiencing this right now and last cycle, near night time i get insane carb cravings and destroy every snack in sight.

and yeah i was on reta+cagri prior and now on tirz and i agree, the glp-1s just seem to be overpowered by the tren.

i didnt put on much fat last time i ran it despite the daily binges, so hopefully it's the same this time
 
Trenbolone lowers blood sugar, I often felt the low blood sugar shakiness and light headedness on trenbolone and needed to get some snacks immediately.

However looking at your post as a whole, I would recommend therapy for your eating disorder. I am not kidding.

Apart from that, you need to reconsider your approach to reaching goals. You can reach the same goals without trenbolone and with much, much less toxicity.
 
Bro, you look good. Do you think your body might be trying to tell you something? Like you need food? Especially if your feeling like you are in a constant cut. Maybe let yourself refeed and boost that metabolism..

Im no expert but i definitely want to look like you someday..
 
I have the same issue but it really seems to come on any doses above trt honestly. I think even GH made it worse. When I was running just test and deca this happened to me. Currently running test/mast/tren and it happened to me again today. And I'm running 10mg tirzepatide/1mg cagrilintide. I've noticed reta does absolutely nothing to kill my appetite or food cravings.
You just have to find a way to be mentally tough like before glp1s were a thing. 25mg ephedrine/200mg caffeine really kills my appetite but only for around 4 hours. You can take 2 maybe 3 doses a day if you can still sleep. I can only take 2 or I'll be awake all night so I still struggle with food at night. Always have though outside of just running a glp-1 and no steroids
 
I have the same issue but it really seems to come on any doses above trt honestly. I think even GH made it worse. When I was running just test and deca this happened to me. Currently running test/mast/tren and it happened to me again today. And I'm running 10mg tirzepatide/1mg cagrilintide. I've noticed reta does absolutely nothing to kill my appetite or food cravings.
You just have to find a way to be mentally tough like before glp1s were a thing. 25mg ephedrine/200mg caffeine really kills my appetite but only for around 4 hours. You can take 2 maybe 3 doses a day if you can still sleep. I can only take 2 or I'll be awake all night so I still struggle with food at night. Always have though outside of just running a glp-1 and no steroids
For me it’s EQ. My god I get hungry.

But couldn’t it be your body needing food to support the extra ananolism?
 
Trenbolone lowers blood sugar, I often felt the low blood sugar shakiness and light headedness on trenbolone and needed to get some snacks immediately.

However looking at your post as a whole, I would recommend therapy for your eating disorder. I am not kidding.

Apart from that, you need to reconsider your approach to reaching goals. You can reach the same goals without trenbolone and with much, much less toxicity.
This is friendly advice that will save you a lot of grief. Obviously many of us with histories of eating / substance / addiction challenges find our way into PEDs and extremely strict dieting as a form of sublimation, but that really needs to be buttoned up before you start using any more compounds. Eating disorders are the most deadly (for real) psychiatric conditions that exist. Not saying that's the direction OP is heading by any means, but mix an untreated / not in remission eating disorder with a bunch of compounds that impact blood sugar, satiety, dopamine / reward pathways, etc. and you've got an H bomb.
 
For me it’s EQ. My god I get hungry.

But couldn’t it be your body needing food to support the extra ananolism?
Hmm. I suppose that's a possibility for sure. I'm trying to grow but also lose fat. The difficult to balance "recomp." So I don't care too bad if I go crazy here or there but it needs to be clean and so far that's where the struggle has been.
Maybe I'll consider lowering the dose to see if that helps control hunger better and just focus on fat burning
 
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