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Beware of fake primo & mast on the market

Just wanted to bump this important thread. There is some absolute ass dirty diaper primo and mast circulating around. This should come as no surprise given the issues we're aware of. If you're most trusted vendors don't have it, I'd seriously consider going in another direction. Fakes, under-dosed Chinese dogshit with EO in it, etc. Better to wait it out or save a ton of money and run some low dose tren.
 
Yeah a sponsor on another board just got caught with their pants down selling garbage primo and test… both were majorly underdosed, mast was P instead of E, and both had test as nearly half the contents - imaging giving that primo to your girl ?!

Use DHB or EQ instead of primo, DHB is 2-3x as potent so cut the dose accordingly.

Use mast P instead if E, while it’s still available. It’s kind of better anyway.
 
bigdaddyandfriends said:
Yeah a sponsor on another board just got caught with their pants down selling garbage primo and test… both were majorly underdosed, mast was P instead of E, and both had test as nearly half the contents - imaging giving that primo to your girl ?!

Use DHB or EQ instead of primo, DHB is 2-3x as potent so cut the dose accordingly.

Use mast P instead if E, while it’s still available. It’s kind of better anyway.
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what board
 
Liter O' Test said:
what board
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Oh, there are other boards?
Tom Cruise 80S GIF
 
bigdaddyandfriends said:
A friend bought some primoE and mastE a few months ago to use alongside his TRT, from a well known source I used to buy from (not on Meso, but rather SST and already removed from there). He got the last six vials of each that were in stock. He called me yesterday saying he gotten 'ripped' on 250test + 300 mast/primo - but he cannot come and has new, severe insomnia. Of course I'm like 'dude you're taking tren'.

He sent me pics of the vials, both the primoE and mastE are quite yellowish/golden... so I'm 99% sure he received vials of mixed EQ+tren (both of which are still relatively available), rather than primo and mast. All my primo/mast (some from same source, but purchased 1-2 years ago) is all clear or very nearly so, none of it is strongly yellowish/golden. He ordered some new product from Axle/808 before they stopped taking orders which should be good. And I'm going to give him some caber, zopiclone, and quetiapine to take care of his current issues - the mast was prop so hopefully it was tren ace but who knows, if enanthate it will be a problem for a few weeks rather than days.

Mentioning this because as frustrating as it is to see quality sources chronically OOS of some things ie primo/mast, they are being honest and not trying to just profit by baiting and switching their clients. I was hoping the raw shortage would be resolving but that does not seem to be the case, so greedy/unscrupulous sources may start pulling this shit more and more.

The source I mentioned above has been around a long time and had a good reputation for product quality (despite little testing), everything I have bought/used was fine and never had an issue getting my orders which were always correct - suppose I was lucky. But more recently there have been lots of problems with unfulfilled orders and absent customer service, and now I can only assume what is intentionally mislabeled cheap product being sold at the price of a scarce/premium product.

There are some excellent sources still active on SST, Hypertrophy Labs in particular although I believe he will be closing temporarily in the near future. And of course Opti & Arail, who are also here.
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I know exactly who you talking about, I seen major backlash on another forum, usually very reputable source, I was very very surprised
 
Shotta609 said:
I know exactly who you talking about, I seen major backlash on another forum, usually very reputable source, I was very very surprised
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Yes me too. There had been major customer service issues for a while but gear was always top notch. He didn't do much of his own testing and that might well be the problem, relying on reports from the raw manufacturer who bait and switched him - seems to be happening a lot, I think Arail just posted about this happening to him. Luckily he tests everything.

That said, I have a lot of primo and mast here and while some has a slight yellow tinge to it, these vials looked significantly different - like tren. He should have noticed something was off before offering them for sale, and at least sent a couple to Jano.

Source was HunterPharm btw, he is still around but not on any forums. I have a lot of gear from him, all bought well before the current raw supply issues, so am confident it is good... using some right now in fact.
 
So tired of seeing tik toks and board posts about fake gear or replaced gear. And a lot of them share the same issues…. NO ONE NAME DROPS.

Let it rip. We need to know people lol
Better to have suspicions & possible issues pop up than be in the dark.
 
In the original post, the products were from HunterPharm.

I have a lot of his gear from a couple years ago, it has always been excellent and that has been the consensus for many years. He obviously had a great source for raws and knew how to make finished oil that was correctly dosed.

He is not known for extensive testing, so my guess is his last batch of primo/mast raws were bad/fake, and he brewed them and listed them for sale. It's happened to other sources recently too.

If anything good is to come from this, hopefully more sources will be testing raws as well as finished products before selling them - some already do, and I prefer to buy from them.
 
bigdaddyandfriends said:
In the original post, the products were from HunterPharm.

I have a lot of his gear from a couple years ago, it has always been excellent and that has been the consensus for many years. He obviously had a great source for raws and knew how to make finished oil that was correctly dosed.

He is not known for extensive testing, so my guess is his last batch of primo/mast raws were bad/fake, and he brewed them and listed them for sale. It's happened to other sources recently too.

If anything good is to come from this, hopefully more sources will be testing raws as well as finished products before selling them - some already do, and I prefer to buy from them.
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I think anyone who saw this raw shortage coming and acted resolutely is going to be the victor to whom go the spoils.
 
The fake gear is become prevalent these days and my take is that it’s not the reputable sources “knowingly” selling fake gear. There was source over at Promuscle who sent some saws he received recently out for testing before brewing and several items came back bunk. He also said that Jano told him that there has been a serious increase in bunk tests recently. My take is that these reputable sources are getting the gear in and brewing it without testing first because they feel they can trust their Chinese suppliers who they have relationships with for years and even decades now. Also, with many sources being out of stock for weeks- they are just trying to get the shit out asap to accommodate clients. I’ve known some really solid sources over the years and most are honest guys despite the occupation lol. I highly doubt they are knowingly selling junk if it’s a reputable guy.
 
Slicknyc said:
The fake gear is become prevalent these days and my take is that it’s not the reputable sources “knowingly” selling fake gear. There was source over at Promuscle who sent some saws he received recently out for testing before brewing and several items came back bunk. He also said that Jano told him that there has been a serious increase in bunk tests recently. My take is that these reputable sources are getting the gear in and brewing it without testing first because they feel they can trust their Chinese suppliers who they have relationships with for years and even decades now. Also, with many sources being out of stock for weeks- they are just trying to get the shit out asap to accommodate clients. I’ve known some really solid sources over the years and most are honest guys despite the occupation lol. I highly doubt they are knowingly selling junk if it’s a reputable guy.
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I buy this argument for the Test raws randomly being bunk, but everyone has had their radar up for a while for things like Primo and Mast E. If you are brewing / selling those to clients without raws testing then I think the vendor deserves whatever reputational backlash comes with it.
 
RockyP said:
I buy this argument for the Test raws randomly being bunk, but everyone has had their radar up for a while for things like Primo and Mast E. If you are brewing / selling those to clients without raws testing then I think the vendor deserves whatever reputational backlash comes with it.
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The thing is that it’s not just primo and mast raws. It’s also other products. Granted, I think a seasoned brewer would know something is up , idk- I just know that there is a ridiculously high number of testing with no active ingredient. There was a thread on promuscle on this. Don’t know who the source is they are talking about in this thread. I agree, anyone offering products now should be testing everything before brewing.
 
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