Better endurance performance?

[TRI-Endurance]

I am an avid triathlete that is looking for something to take me to the next level. I can't seem to better my performance. Is there a steriod out there that can help with performance and not so much mass building? I was told Stanozolol, is that true? What's out there? Thanks for your help.

 

[TRI-Endurance]

Great question! Is there a steroid out there to help with performance, more on the endurance side?

 

[demeurj]

Great question! Is there a steroid out there to help with performance, more on the endurance side?

If you are looking just for endurance, I'm not sure I would dicker around with AAS. Why not stick with old reliables like caffeine and ephedra? The hemopoietic (blood cell making) benefits of gear likely subsides no matter how much of the muscle you manage to keep so what's the point?

You do have Rx options like Procrit and Epogen but you really need to know what you are doing b/c dehydration with a hematocrit significantly above 50 could lead to a stroke.

 

[einstein1905]

Yeah, epo is the kind of thing endurance athletes would use. AAS, in general, induce fiber type switching from slow twitch (endurance type) to fast twitch (anaerobic, explosive type) muscle fibers. There's a reason tons of endurance athletes get busted for stimulants and epo rather than AAS.

 

[TRI-Endurance]

Yeah, epo is the kind of thing endurance athletes would use. AAS, in general, induce fiber type switching from slow twitch (endurance type) to fast twitch (anaerobic, explosive type) muscle fibers. There's a reason tons of endurance athletes get busted for stimulants and epo rather than AAS.

Thanks for the update. Would you recommend I get my hands on epo? How long would it take to show endurance increases? And where can I get that stuff? Thanks.

 

[buddy]

Tri

Make sure you get some info. from someone who is familiar with it, the stuff can be dangerous if not used correctly. LA Triathlete post's on Meso I think he may be a good source of info.

 

[einstein1905]

Thanks for the update. Would you recommend I get my hands on epo? How long would it take to show endurance increases? And where can I get that stuff? Thanks.

You'd be better off trying to get procrit or epogen, which accomplish the same thing. I have no experience with dosing it though.

 

[Smokin]

take a bounce over to and look at there Enderance forum http://www.cuttingedgemuscle.com/Forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=9

 

[quedog123]

I am an avid triathlete that is looking for something to take me to the next level. I can't seem to better my performance. Is there a steriod out there that can help with performance and not so much mass building? I was told Stanozolol, is that true? What's out there? Thanks for your help.

the anwser is training and that is the forum you should as a question about endurance on. you dont need anabolics to icrease endurence you need some hard work

 

[moralanimal]

EPO @ 2000 iu EOD. Be very, very, very, careful.

 

[demeurj]

EPO @ 2000 iu EOD. Be very, very, very, careful.

I disagree with the dose but concur wholeheartedly on the caution. You need to know what your current Hct is before you start using Epogen or Procrit. If your body has already made certain adaptations secondary to your training (ie you already have a high Hct) . . . exogenous epo is just plain dumb and dangerous.

If you are serious about your training, go get an executive panel from a friendly doctor with a special emphasis on evaluating hemopoeitic factors. Something as simple as excess divalent cations in your diet could be blocking maximal dietary iron absorption. Your B12 levels may bite. Folate levels may bite. You may have excess heavy metals from your water source. Hell, maybe you party too much and don't get enough sleep. Maybe your training sux . . . ie you need a new coach.

I'm not trying to be ass . . . although I play one on TV . . . but elite cyclists/triathletes etc dope using stimulants, epo, or straight blood doping (they have blood taken, spin down the cells, freeze the packed RBCs, and then reinject them before competition). IMHO, the only one you can do alone is stimulants. Despite the bad press, intelligent, well-trained athletes are unlikely to harm themselves with judicious use of stimulants (ephedra, caffeine).

Any idiot can do a AAS cycle followed by PCT, but you need at medical consultant to dope. It's a shame BALCO is closed b/c their legitimate business was the kind of profiling I mention above.

 

[moralanimal]

I disagree with the dose but concur wholeheartedly on the caution. You need to know what your current Hct is before you start using Epogen or Procrit. If your body has already made certain adaptations secondary to your training (ie you already have a high Hct) . . . exogenous epo is just plain dumb and dangerous.

If you are serious about your training, go get an executive panel from a friendly doctor with a special emphasis on evaluating hemopoeitic factors. Something as simple as excess divalent cations in your diet could be blocking maximal dietary iron absorption. Your B12 levels may bite. Folate levels may bite. You may have excess heavy metals from your water source. Hell, maybe you party too much and don't get enough sleep. Maybe your training sux . . . ie you need a new coach.

I'm not trying to be ass . . . although I play one on TV . . . but elite cyclists/triathletes etc dope using stimulants, epo, or straight blood doping (they have blood taken, spin down the cells, freeze the packed RBCs, and then reinject them before competition). IMHO, the only one you can do alone is stimulants. Despite the bad press, intelligent, well-trained athletes are unlikely to harm themselves with judicious use of stimulants (ephedra, caffeine).

Any idiot can do a AAS cycle followed by PCT, but you need at medical consultant to dope. It's a shame BALCO is closed b/c their legitimate business was the kind of profiling I mention above.

VERY WELL SAID BROTHER

 

[Smokin]

I do believe John Smith use to recommend low to moderate dose of a fast acting test like Prop during peak training a few weeks prior to an event.

 

[dzl66]

It has been well publicized that most pro. cyclists use AAS. I may be in the minority here but i would recommend EQ at 400mg stacked with small amounts of test-250mg per week for 12 weeks.
Eq increases red blood cell count and has helped my endurance.
good luck

 

[demeurj]

It has been well publicized that most pro. cyclists use AAS. I may be in the minority here but i would recommend EQ at 400mg stacked with small amounts of test-250mg per week for 12 weeks.
Eq increases red blood cell count and has helped my endurance.
good luck

The publicity is just that . . . pub. Now tons of teams probably have access (and use) stimulants, supplemental oxygenators, and stimulants of hematopoeisis but there's NO way you could ride Giro d'Italia or the Tour de France while going through PCT. If someone says take the AAS/PCT during your peak offseason training then what's the benefit for your events?! It cannot be blood mediated endurance b/c the juxtamedullary apparatus (in the kidneys) regulates EPO secretion. It would be quite surprising if endogenous EPO levels don't fall in response to AAS-induced increases in RBCs. So the RBC boost from gear is likely long gone by the time you finish PCT.

Czech on nandrolone

Some people are just dumb. Why on Earth would you take a mass monster drug like Deca?! Not to mention the fact you will test positive for almost two whole seasons! What idiot would trim his bike down to 20lbs and then bulk up his body?

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,8981177%255E23218,00.html

EPO, hGH, clen, T3/T4, caffeine, ephedra . . . maybe even Clomid are all fair game for the elite cyclist . . . but gear . . . in particular any amt of Test . . . makes little sense for anyone that wants to ride for a season.

 

[Smokin]

Here is a good read on this subject
http://outside.away.com/outside/bodywork/200311/200311_drug_test_1.html

 

[demeurj]

Here is a good read on this subject
http://outside.away.com/outside/bodywork/200311/200311_drug_test_1.html

That's a nice amateur piece. The take home for those that don't want to read or register:

1) If you have money you can buy yourself better health (hGH), better physique (anabolics), and better performance (EPO).
2) Chemical augmentation has a long and illustrative history.
3) It's possible to see significant benefits and minimal side effects . . . with the guidance of a medical professional.
4) Old farts will get disproportionate benefits from low dose gear.
5) Apparently some doctors don't believe in PCT for low dose cycles.
6) Nothing compares to EPO for boosting endurance.
7) There's NOTHING in that article that provides significant support for using AAS to boost endurance.
8) The protagonist notes that he would take hGH for life if it was affordable . . . no shit, Sherlock!

 

[buddy]

Test

All good points except Pro cyclist do use testosterone, no doubt about it.

 

[einstein1905]

All good points except Pro cyclist do use testosterone, no doubt about it.

That doesn't make it the best choice though

 

[scrappy]

GH, EPO and steroids are all used. Eq can help with RBCs but with it and any roid you need to watch the total dose/week. I know athletes, not bodybuilders, who use aas at 300-600mg/week total and do great at strength/endurance sports. I would guess 300-400mg/week would do most endurance athletes well. Mast, anavar and halo are all good for gaining strength but not weight and Test and EQ could be useful at lower doses. talk to cyclists who use.