Best Cycle For Athletics?

[Demondosage]

When it comes to athletic events it's not really even just gear, it's other things like blood doping and taking amphetamines before the events.

I can tell you guys that I've trained some professional athletes or athletes trying to go pro and you would be shocked. EVERY FUCKING ONE OF THEM at that level uses shit, I swear to God it's all of them. Don't let anyone fool you, they know when they're gonna be tested usually and anyone popped is usually someone that was cherry picked, not just some random shit

 

[cmK9s33]

. From what I’ve researched most pro athletes just use 150mg test suspension and a couple ius of gh.

Should provide massive recovery benefits when doing 25 hours+ of instense workouts per week.

I’m obviously not privy to what all professional athletes use but there are scores of positive test results for things besides testosterone. Usually, it seems to be DHT derivatives but nandrolone and EQ show up a lot as well.

I see the benefit of test suspension in beating drug tests but I’ve gotta wonder how that would feel with the massive crests and troughs.

The documentary icarus had the guy on something similar for his cycling race.

Pretty hard to get caught using that stack apparently.

He was using 140mg test prop as well as HCG and EPO. I can’t recall the doses he used for those 2 though.

 

[Theworm]

from what I’ve researched most pro athletes just use 150mg test suspension and a couple ius of gh.

Should provide massive recovery benefits when doing 25 hours+ of instense workouts per week.

The documentary icarus had the guy on something similar for his cycling race.

Pretty hard to get caught using that stack apparently.

150 test suspension, is that daily? I’m guessing yes. That’s a gram of test per week

 

[Millard]

What’s your thoughts on his cycle?

Also any opinion what bolt is on and how in the world does he go undetected?

I don't know the actual cycle. Ben Johnson reportedly used Dianabol, Deca Durabolin, testosterone, Winstrol and growth hormone. He also thought he used Furazabol but probably didn't.

His doctor/coach said he used 2-3 cycles per season of 2-weeks or 6-weeks in length.

It sounded like he only used one steroid at a time.

I recall reading that his oral dosages were relatively low. But I can't remember where I read this - maybe Charlie Francis' or Jamie Astaphan's biographical accounts?

 

[cmK9s33]

150 test suspension, is that daily? I’m guessing yes. That’s a gram of test per week

That’s a crap load of test. I can’t imagine that much is necessary to help athletic recovery. That’s a hefty bodybuilding dosage. I think that would create more problems than it would help for an athlete.

 

[Theworm]

That’s a crap load of test. I can’t imagine that much is necessary to help athletic recovery. That’s a hefty bodybuilding dosage. I think that would create more problems than it would help for an athlete.

I’m guessing on that.. it was more of a question. Maybe just test suspension after a heavy training day? Not sure

 

[cmK9s33]

I’m guessing on that.. it was more of a question. Maybe just test suspension after a heavy training day? Not sure

Ah, gotcha. I misunderstood your post.

I’m certainly not in a position to know but I’ve gotta think that (outside of powerlifters) athletes use modest doses of test to avoid the unwanted water weight. And they use dry compounds when needed.

 

[Theworm]

Ah, gotcha. I misunderstood your post.

I’m certainly not in a position to know but I’ve gotta think that (outside of powerlifters) athletes use modest doses of test to avoid the unwanted water weight. And they use dry compounds when needed.

Olympics most likely use suspension so it has a quick clear time as they are tested a ton

 

[one5onecc]

That’s a crap load of test. I can’t imagine that much is necessary to help athletic recovery. That’s a hefty bodybuilding dosage. I think that would create more problems than it would help for an athlete.

The 140mg test dosage was per week, not per day.

He actually placed worse that when he was completely clean.

Which shows even at the amateur level all those top guys were doping lol.

 

[cmK9s33]

The 140mg test dosage was per week, not per day.

Sorry we're getting our responses crossed. My "that's a crap load" comment was meant for theworm when he was wondering if the 150mg dose was per day. That'd be over a gram, and I was trying to say that's way more than an athlete needs.

He actually placed worse that when he was completely clean.

Which shows even at the amateur level all those top guys were doping lol.

If I recall correctly he had something screw up with his bike that cost him alot of time one day of the race. He still acknowledged that there were about 10 guys he couldn't touch even if everything went right. And I'm totally with you that even the amateurs are doped to the gills lol. That was such a cool movie. Just confirmed what we always suspected but it was incredible to see the lengths a country would go to beat drug testing.

 

[slyfox115]

I am currently on week 2 of:

50mg Turinabol - Week 1-4
250mg Test C - Week 1-16
650mg Primobolan - Week 1-16
400mg Masteron E - Week 1-16
4iu GH - Week 1-16
500mg Meldonium (Daily) - Week 1-16

I weigh about 225lb at around 10-11% right now, train for hypertrophy and still put in 15-20 miles of running a week with 50-60 miles a week on the bike. I was looking to keep any water retention to a minimum and have a really slow and steady muscle gain so my body can acclimate as best it can in keeping up with the cardio requirements.

I am up about 5lbs (mainly water I am sure) but recovery has been greatly increased, all lifts have been going up, and my cardio capacity still seems to be slowly increasing.

If I can gain 7-10lbs of solid mass and have the same capacity as when I started I'd say the cycle achieved the goal.

 

[Millard]

I am up about 5lbs (mainly water I am sure) but recovery has been greatly increased, all lifts have been going up, and my cardio capacity still seems to be slowly increasing.

If I can gain 7-10lbs of solid mass and have the same capacity as when I started I'd say the cycle achieved the goal.

How do you measure the increase in cardio capacity?

 

[slyfox115]

@Millard Baker The way I've measured it was what heart rate I can hold at a given pace for certain benchmarks I have set for myself. Say it's a tempo run and I have a 40 min route I can usually hold a 8:00 min/mile pace @ a 165bpm heart rate. If I can go faster at a the same heart rate or my heart rate actually lowers for a given pace that is a good way for me to gauge my capacity.

 

[Millard]

@Millard Baker The way I've measured it was what heart rate I can hold at a given pace for certain benchmarks I have set for myself. Say it's a tempo run and I have a 40 min route I can usually hold a 8:00 min/mile pace @ a 165bpm heart rate. If I can go faster at a the same heart rate or my heart rate actually lowers for a given pace that is a good way for me to gauge my capacity.

That's great! I've struggled to combine my love of power/strength sports with endurance sport (in my case cycling). So it's encouraging to see others find some success at it.

 

[slyfox115]

That's great! I've struggled to combine my love of power/strength sports with endurance sport (in my case cycling). So it's encouraging to see others find success at it.

I am unlikely to be the BEST at any one training modality but I can be pretty efficient across all of them if programming is done correctly. I guess the main thing is...it's fun and I genuinely look forward to training every day.

Dealing with two different sides of the spectrum seems like you would crash and burn on everything but that's not the case.

Plus being a slobbering 225lber rhino running for 10 miles gets some looks too

 

[notdeadYET]

If there's one thing I'm thankful about this lockdown its that it has me running again and thinking about endurance sports. I had completely abandoned it except for a half marathon I ran with zero training back in December. I've now run 34 out of the 36 days of COVID-lockdown. And I'm considering getting into endurance cycling, probably looking at a Gravel bike with my stimulus money. I already have a single speed mountain bike.

@slyfox115 That's exactly how I gauge my fitness/endurance, heartrate vs. pace/distance. My watch also does VO2 and resting heartrate.

 

[Millard]

I am unlikely to be the BEST at any one training modality but I can be pretty efficient across all of them if programming is done correctly. I guess the main thing is...it's fun and I genuinely look forward to training every day.

Dealing with two different sides of the spectrum seems like you would crash and burn on everything but that's not the case.

Plus being a slobbering 225lber rhino running for 10 miles gets some looks too

They are really incompatible pursuits. But if you enjoy them both. Then pursue them both.

I've also found that I can be "good" at both even at the same time. Just not my best at either at the same time.

So I usually focus on one for 6 months. Then the other.

Of course, when my cardio conditioning and performance peak, I really don't want to stop. Ditto after making lots strength/size gains.

The perfect balance is challenging.

 

[Millard]

Plus being a slobbering 225lber rhino running for 10 miles gets some looks too

Yeah, I get weird looks on the group rides. But no one complains about drafting behind me

 

[amtont]

I don't know the actual cycle. Ben Johnson reportedly used Dianabol, Deca Durabolin, testosterone, Winstrol and growth hormone. He also thought he used Furazabol but probably didn't.

His doctor/coach said he used 2-3 cycles per season of 2-weeks or 6-weeks in length.

It sounded like he only used one steroid at a time.

I recall reading that his oral dosages were relatively low. But I can't remember where I read this - maybe Charlie Francis' or Jamie Astaphan's biographical accounts?

Not sure how accurate these are but here are some of Charlie Francis' accounts
https://vault.si.com/vault/1989/03/13/a-dirty-coach-comes-clean

THE BEN JOHNSON STEROID INQUIRY : Francis Details Johnson's Drug Use in 1987-88

JOHNSON ADMITS STEROID USE

Here is a more in depth account of another sprinter Dwain Chambers.
The letter which exposed Chambers' shocking regime

Feel free to ignore this if it is not of interest.

As you said these doses are relatively low.

 

[notdeadYET]

They are really incompatible pursuits. But if you enjoy them both. Then pursue them both.

I've also found that I can be "good" at both even at the same time. Just not my best at either at the same time.

So I usually focus on one for 6 months. Then the other.

Of course, when my cardio conditioning and performance peak, I really don't want to stop. Ditto after making lots strength/size gains.

The perfect balance is challenging.

I'm interested in this. For cardio, do you target certain months, or a steady build up to a target race? How much weight, if it all, are you dropping? Are you lifting fewer days per week?

And once you peak, and switch back to strength/size how far do you cut back on cardio?

**I had largely abandoned endurance running to focus on the gym, but given the circumstances I've been running alot. My pace is back into the sub 7-8's and I've been debating dropping weight. I'm holding my weight at 205, from a high of 215. I know the running would be easier if I dropped another 10. I'm not looking to do that now, just looking to gain insight from you and others.