Banning immigrants from "certain" countries

[ranger.danger]

My friend you are talking about a lot of socioeconomic problems as a country we face from public schools to multicultural society. How do you know all these immigrant who are chanting viva la Mexico, illegals?? It's their heritage. I am sorry but the USA is a melting pot of the world. Are you sure you are not worried about this county having less white white people in it? Loosing the majority?
Do you think America belongs to Americans or white Americans? If you answer this question honestly,you will get your answer. Personally I don't look at their heritage but their ability to be a good human being and a good citizen of the world when I intract with people.
I think The fundamental difference between you and I as we look at the world differently. I don't see people I see persons. I believe your point of you bunch all of them into one single adjective. We are all individuals doesn't matter where we come from.

Typical liberal reply back peddle and don't address anything.... like I've said multiple times but you divert from yes we have our own problems with our LEGAL citizens. Ill number this so maybe we could stop running in circles.
1. With our country already having so many problems you don't feel having anyone come from anywhere will make this worse??
2.there are shit loads of people coming here what about all the bad ones mixed in? You keep implying none are and they all come here with the best intentions.
3. If you can admit not all of them are upstanding citizens then how do we even know who they are if there just running over here illegally with no documentation?

To your asinine rhetorical question. Which is very offense and i do not appreciate it. I don't give a fuck what color you are or where you're from. Anyone from anywhere is welcome in my book. Just come here legally and come here wanting to better AMERICAN life.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

Typical liberal reply back peddle and don't address anything.... like I've said multiple times but you divert from yes we have our own problems with our LEGAL citizens. Ill number this so maybe we could stop running in circles.
1. With our country already having so many problems you don't feel having anyone come from anywhere will make this worse??
2.there are shit loads of people coming here what about all the bad ones mixed in? You keep implying none are and they all come here with the best intentions.
3. If you can admit not all of them are upstanding citizens then how do we even know who they are if there just running over here illegally with no documentation?

To your asinine rhetorical question. Which is very offense and i do not appreciate it. I don't give a fuck what color you are or where you're from. Anyone from anywhere is welcome in my book. Just come here legally and come here wanting to better AMERICAN life.

MassTurk should change to MassTroll - he's fairly useless to try to converse with. As you say, he ducks and weaves like nearly all liberals when faced with the consequences of their policies.

Look at the former Chief Jackatroon and his thoughts on immigration, legal and illegal, he sounds a lot like like Trump, albeit delivered in Obama's highly annoying "I'm-thinking-while-I'm-talking" staccato style:
www.facebook.com/OverpassesForAmerica2/videos/1288027491236581/

 

[MassTurk]

MassTurk should change to MassTroll - he's fairly useless to try to converse with. As you say, he ducks and weaves like nearly all liberals when faced with the consequences of their policies.

Look at the former Chief Jackatroon and his thoughts on immigration, legal and illegal, he sounds a lot like like Trump, albeit delivered in Obama's highly annoying "I'm-thinking-while-I'm-talking" staccato style:
www.facebook.com/OverpassesForAmerica2/videos/1288027491236581/

You are the only one pick and choose what you want to answer. Go back and reply to Many questions I asked and you ignored before replying to me or commenting on my answers. Last one was about the same civic lesson regarding the 3 branches of government!!
I'll take your answer anytime

 

[MassTurk]

Typical liberal reply back peddle and don't address anything.... like I've said multiple times but you divert from yes we have our own problems with our LEGAL citizens. Ill number this so maybe we could stop running in circles.
1. With our country already having so many problems you don't feel having anyone come from anywhere will make this worse??
2.there are shit loads of people coming here what about all the bad ones mixed in? You keep implying none are and they all come here with the best intentions.
3. If you can admit not all of them are upstanding citizens then how do we even know who they are if there just running over here illegally with no documentation?

To your asinine rhetorical question. Which is very offense and i do not appreciate it. I don't give a fuck what color you are or where you're from. Anyone from anywhere is welcome in my book. Just come here legally and come here wanting to better AMERICAN life.

1) Do you understand how economy grows? Legal immigration is still encouraged in this country.
2) we have the worlds most up to date screening process for refugees and immigrants. It's been that way for a long time that's why we don't have bombs going off in our land.
3) public data is a good place to start
If the Mexican illegal immigration was the reason for inner city crime, I would understand it but your facts are not accurate. In prisons most of the Hispanic gangs are legally here homie illegals still get deported to Mexico

Can you point out where am I back paddling?? I am a progressive and I am making my point. Calm down and intract if you care to, I understand if you don't. Have an intelligent conversation or don't
Up to you. If you don't want my opinion I'll stop responding to you.

 

[ranger.danger]

I feel I have a basic understanding on how an economy grows. Wasnt aware the illegal immigration was a necessity for a growing economy. Our economy isnt a good example though because its very artificial but thats a different story. Ive never stated that immigration wasnt a good thing like i said as long as you come here the right way then thats totally fine by me. There can be a vast amount of benefits from immigrants but you cant lump that into the same group as the people coming here illegally.
Maybe we dont have bombs going off right now but I live 20min away from a recent terrorist attack so I dont see your point?
Im not going to argue that we dont have modern screening procedures but as far as refugees and people coming from the middle east there is no way you can tell me that you can know for a fact who all those people are. We might be technologically advanced but you cant say that for every country.

You still havent addressed a very valid point that not everyone coming here has the same great intentions. Without the border being shut down to all illegal immigration there is no true way to know who or how many people are coming here.
You still havent told me why you dont think a secure border knowing exactly who is coming and going is a bad idea? Like Ive said Im all for people coming here legally to make a better life. What about all the people that want to come here the right way yet thousands pour over the border before them? How is that fair? I want the people that do things the right way.

I do find it frustrating talking to you but thats how debating can be. What I dont like is the fact racism is brought up almost every time illegal immigration is discussed. Its offensive and I feel its just a way to divert from the real issue.

 

[ranger.danger]

the whole terrorism argument isnt really valid argument. terrorism like of recently doesnt necessarily have to come from immigrants. we live in a whole new world.

 

[MassTurk]

I feel I have a basic understanding on how an economy grows. Wasnt aware the illegal immigration was a necessity for a growing economy. Our economy isnt a good example though because its very artificial but thats a different story. Ive never stated that immigration wasnt a good thing like i said as long as you come here the right way then thats totally fine by me. There can be a vast amount of benefits from immigrants but you cant lump that into the same group as the people coming here illegally.
Maybe we dont have bombs going off right now but I live 20min away from a recent terrorist attack so I dont see your point?
Im not going to argue that we dont have modern screening procedures but as far as refugees and people coming from the middle east there is no way you can tell me that you can know for a fact who all those people are. We might be technologically advanced but you cant say that for every country.

You still havent addressed a very valid point that not everyone coming here has the same great intentions. Without the border being shut down to all illegal immigration there is no true way to know who or how many people are coming here.
You still havent told me why you dont think a secure border knowing exactly who is coming and going is a bad idea? Like Ive said Im all for people coming here legally to make a better life. What about all the people that want to come here the right way yet thousands pour over the border before them? How is that fair? I want the people that do things the right way.

I do find it frustrating talking to you but thats how debating can be. What I dont like is the fact racism is brought up almost every time illegal immigration is discussed. Its offensive and I feel its just a way to divert from the real issue.

I apologize if I insinuated racism coming from you. That wasn't my intention. We are not too far apart about securing our borders. Wall isn't the answer. It's not my word it's the science and data that's available like the one in Israel. It never works. I don't believe illegal immigration is helping our country!! But the problem is not as big as some want you to believe, that's my point! I think if the corporate greed is fixed in the worlds biggest economy, it will benefit the working class all over the world!!! That is the only real answer to your question of stopping illegal immigration. You can't stop humans from wanting to strive for better. It's all good to say get in line when the line is yearlong and made very narrow on purpose for some. I am being realistic when I say the only way to stop illegal immigration is to built work force and better life for them in their own country through incentives of good policy making. America first is not goin to achieve you that and that's a philosophical difference you and I have.
I am passionate towards the ones here for work. All criminals should be punished to the fullest I don't care legal or illegal. And yes we should stop illegal immigration as soon as possible to help economy and curb the hate towards Hispanics also.
The topic is deeper than I can discuss on a keyboard. The answer lies between amnesty and border security with comprehensive reform of the foreign worker visa program!!!

Refugees are the most broken down people in the world that's a topic for different discussion. Doesn't matter where they come from most are women and children. They are being used as a political talking point. There are real lives destroyed beyond the rhetoric so to me it's fear mongering

 

[tenpoundsleft]

You are the only one pick and choose what you want to answer. Go back and reply to Many questions I asked and you ignored before replying to me or commenting on my answers. Last one was about the same civic lesson regarding the 3 branches of government!!
I'll take your answer anytime

You can never stay on topic about anything - ping me if you summarize whatever your scatterbrained approach resulted in. I'm fairly sure it was massively OT.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

I apologize if I insinuated racism coming from you. That wasn't my intention. We are not too far apart about securing our borders. Wall isn't the answer. It's not my word it's the science and data that's available like the one in Israel. It never works. I don't believe illegal immigration is helping our country!! But the problem is not as big as some want you to believe, that's my point! I think if the corporate greed is fixed in the worlds biggest economy, it will benefit the working class all over the world!!! That is the only real answer to your question of stopping illegal immigration. You can't stop humans from wanting to strive for better. It's all good to say get in line when the line is yearlong and made very narrow on purpose for some. I am being realistic when I say the only way to stop illegal immigration is to built work force and better life for them in their own country through incentives of good policy making. America first is not goin to achieve you that and that's a philosophical difference you and I have.
I am passionate towards the ones here for work. All criminals should be punished to the fullest I don't care legal or illegal. And yes we should stop illegal immigration as soon as possible to help economy and curb the hate towards Hispanics also.
The topic is deeper than I can discuss on a keyboard. The answer lies between amnesty and border security with comprehensive reform of the foreign worker visa program!!!

Refugees are the most broken down people in the world that's a topic for different discussion. Doesn't matter where they come from most are women and children. They are being used as a political talking point. There are real lives destroyed beyond the rhetoric so to me it's fear mongering

"corporate greed"

Sweet Mother Mary and Baby Jesus - on a bike - have MEYCY on us.

Out of what dusty old Marxist tome did you pull this "corporate greed" nonsense? Oh wait, it's fresh off the liberal presses - come and get it while it's hot, an evergreen (ever-red actually) favorite. It's a struggle of the classes, a struggle - said with a heavy German accent. Ze Proletariat. Fuck, can we move away from this stale 19th century dialectic - please? You're so many years behind that I don't know what to say - Schumpeter would be a step or two forward, you'll probably like him, and eventually you can work toward von Mises, Hayek and other Austrians. Those are REAL liberals, not the current fascists in liberal clothing.

Also, there's no hate towards Hispanics - there however is severe dislike toward people who cut the line - as illegals do - and a strong dislike towards those who want to excuse line jumpers - people like YOU.

Before I forget, how about this doozy of a statement of yours: "All criminals should be punished to the fullest I don't care legal or illegal." DOH! If they're illegal - they're criminal. ¿Comprende? Here's your ticket for the next autobus a Mexico. ¡Es gratis!

Why did I even bother writing this? Sugar...

 

[tenpoundsleft]

Refugees are the most broken down people in the world that's a topic for different discussion. Doesn't matter where they come from most are women and children. They are being used as a political talking point. There are real lives destroyed beyond the rhetoric so to me it's fear mongering

Aha - "most are women and children" - in your words.

Perhaps you've noticed the stark absence of women, children, and the elderly among these so-called refugees? Precisely because they're NOT - they're effectively an invading army, establishing a foot hold, bringing in reinforcements.

Sounds like we agree in principle, let's hope you are consistent in how you apply this.

 

[MassTurk]

Aha - "most are women and children" - in your words.

Perhaps you've noticed the stark absence of women, children, and the elderly among these so-called refugees? Precisely because they're NOT - they're effectively an invading army, establishing a foot hold, bringing in reinforcements.

Sounds like we agree in principle, let's hope you are consistent in how you apply this.

Proof

 

[MassTurk]

"corporate greed"

Sweet Mother Mary and Baby Jesus - on a bike - have MEYCY on us.

Out of what dusty old Marxist tome did you pull this "corporate greed" nonsense? Oh wait, it's fresh off the liberal presses - come and get it while it's hot, an evergreen (ever-red actually) favorite. It's a struggle of the classes, a struggle - said with a heavy German accent. Ze Proletariat. Fuck, can we move away from this stale 19th century dialectic - please? You're so many years behind that I don't know what to say - Schumpeter would be a step or two forward, you'll probably like him, and eventually you can work toward von Mises, Hayek and other Austrians. Those are REAL liberals, not the current fascists in liberal clothing.

Also, there's no hate towards Hispanics - there however is severe dislike toward people who cut the line - as illegals do - and a strong dislike towards those who want to excuse line jumpers - people like YOU.

Before I forget, how about this doozy of a statement of yours: "All criminals should be punished to the fullest I don't care legal or illegal." DOH! If they're illegal - they're criminal. ¿Comprende? Here's your ticket for the next autobus a Mexico. ¡Es gratis!

Why did I even bother writing this? Sugar...

You are putting words together but they are not meant to lead to a conclusion but insult and deflect.

Corporate greed you sooo unheard of. Let's talk about why the manufacturers went over sea's? Patriotism or greed ?
Do you know what industry takes the big chunk of GDP that was a small faction of the economy when the manufacturing Jobs were here ? You know the one Trump just eased the regulations on?
Financial institutions and products.

Greed took over the corporations
And know they are profit only driven!! No public interest no working class interest so on and so fort. That was in the 1950-70 so I guess it's not ancient history still relevant since Trump is promising to bring them back.

Let me guess you work for a financial
Institute or make money from financial products? How far am I off?

And your denial about hate towards Mexicans is just a denial. I see it everyday. You talk about them like they are second class people to your white highness. Don't get all holy know.

 

[Big_paul]

Proof

He has no proof. Because it is false. He actually believes there is an invading army. Another example of alternate facts.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

 

[CdnGuy]

If your a truck driver in the US and have ever been convicted of a felony or certain misdemeanors you are not allowed in Canada forever. Guess they have their reasoning. But the fact is, it's their country and they have the right to be as strict as they want. Nobody has the "right" to enter a country they are not a citizen of. It's a privilege.

So now you're comparing a felony charge to a woman and her religious beliefs as grounds? Looooooool Thxs for the morning laugh bro

 

[Michael Scally MD]

 

[MassTurk]

@tenpoundsleft
Are you going to respond??

You are putting words together but they are not meant to lead to a conclusion but insult and deflect.

Corporate greed you sooo unheard of. Let's talk about why the manufacturers went over sea's? Patriotism or greed ?
Do you know what industry takes the big chunk of GDP that was a small faction of the economy when the manufacturing Jobs were here ? You know the one Trump just eased the regulations on?
Financial institutions and products.

Greed took over the corporations
And know they are profit only driven!! No public interest no working class interest so on and so fort. That was in the 1950-70 so I guess it's not ancient history still relevant since Trump is promising to bring them back.

Let me guess you work for a financial
Institute or make money from financial products? How far am I off?

And your denial about hate towards Mexicans is just a denial. I see it everyday. You talk about them like they are second class people to your white highness. Don't get all holy know.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

 

[XKawN]

So now you're comparing a felony charge to a woman and her religious beliefs as grounds? Looooooool Thxs for the morning laugh bro

No sir, that's the liberal in you putting words in my mouth.

 

[XKawN]

Who worrys about being deported to America?