Are pre workouts just trash these days?

Now that's something interesting. Don't you find decent pump from CM?

Also, beta alanine, doesn't it annoy you? Tingling after set I mean.

This mix actually gives a great pump, I'm still playing with ratios, right now I'm.at 2.5g creatine, 2 grams citrulline, and 5g arginine, which seems to be the sweet spot,

And yeah the beta alanine can get annoying, and for the same price as a jug of pre workout, I now have a stim free version for over a year
 
I.make.my.own pre workout using arginine citrulline creatine mixed in a sugar free electrolyte mix, pumps are the same.more.or less, I've thought about buying bulk.beta alanine for days when I'm.dragging ass, bit haven't done it yet
And why is creatine made in this particular cocktail, what is their task here?
 
Now that's something interesting. Don't you find decent pump from CM?

Also, beta alanine, doesn't it annoy you? Tingling after set I mean.

@MR_Midas Me too, I like caffeine but some supps go crazy with caffeine like 400mg which is def too much at once.
Yes, here it is necessary not to overdo it with the quantity, otherwise I somehow almost died :)
 
And why is creatine made in this particular cocktail, what is their task here?

I just throw it in half in the pre, half in my cocktail to sip during the gym, that way there's a decent amount possibly being digested at rhe start of my workout, I don't regularly eat red meat, as I rotate meat sources, and this ensures I am getting adequate amounts
 
I just throw it in half in the pre, half in my cocktail to sip during the gym, that way there's a decent amount possibly being digested at rhe start of my workout, I don't regularly eat red meat, as I rotate meat sources, and this ensures I am getting adequate amounts
Sounds great, I also eat fish and red meat several times a week for a change, and chicken. As a dessert, seafood, shrimp, crabs and squid with asminos
 
Probably whats most unhealthy about this while bodybuilding thing, disgusting stims before a workout. Eat some fucking fruits and drink a coffee.
Yeah a few stimulants is probably the least of the worry with bodybuilding, massive amounts of tren and 5k calories a day, massive abuse of insulin, and prescription drugs is the real problem, if you've ever been to.an ifbb bb after party you'll understand more about drug used in bb, and I'm not.talking about PEDs

Nevermind the fact the side effect of being that big has on the heart, lungs joints etc... BB has pushes the human body past its.limits

Also diuretics, very misinformed statement tbh that some stimulants are what's killing people
 
Probably whats most unhealthy about this while bodybuilding thing, disgusting stims before a workout. Eat some fucking fruits and drink a coffee.
It's a habit I'm trying to break. Mainly because of dangerous BP spikes. You're already spiking your BP during strenuous lifts like heavy squats, then AAS typically have your BP baseline a little higher, the addition of high stim preworkouts on top of this does scare me a little bit.
 
Yeah a few stimulants is probably the least of the worry with bodybuilding, massive amounts of tren and 5k calories a day, massive abuse of insulin, and prescription drugs is the real problem, if you've ever been to.an ifbb bb after party you'll understand more about drug used in bb, and I'm not.talking about PEDs

Nevermind the fact the side effect of being that big has on the heart, lungs joints etc... BB has pushes the human body past its.limits

Also diuretics, very misinformed statement tbh that some stimulants are what's killing people
Stimulants and working out is a deadly combo idgaf what u say maybe u should check the literature.

Didn’t say it is the only thing whats killing people but that it is infact a very dangerous practice.
 
Stimulants and working out is a deadly combo idgaf what u say maybe u should check the literature.

Didn’t say it is the only thing whats killing people but that it is infact a very dangerous practice.
You said what's most unhealthy, while it's not amazing for you, hence why I make my own without stimulants and use caffeine if I need a boost,

In actual bodybuilding there are far more dangerous drugs at play than stimulants, insulin, diuretics, and epo, are 3 examples excluding aas

For avg gym bro those 3 things probably shouldn't even be considered

And again certain stims aren't needed but not what's dangerous about BB, and used in moderation really isn't that bad, the problem is people use them 3 to 5 days a week for.months at a time

The other danger is using anything without getting your bp, and blood work checked regularly

Again at high level.bodybuilding the body become a.pharmaceutical playground in a lot of cases, multiple thing to regulate BP, pain, blood sugar, etc...plus ass insulin gh diuretics...etc
 
Ive all but given up on pre workouts. At this point I buy the cheap shit from walmart just as a go through the motion type thing cause it seems to have the same effect as a tub of 60 dollar stuff. Recently tried “podium” which was offered at some event i took my wife to. Her friend tried it and was wigging out and i bought some. And meh. Tasted good but meh. Same thing w woke and all the other new stuff out there. Meso morph and krytonite used to be the shit. Same with one called stimul8. Nothing seems to do anything other than empty my wallet. Considering gorilla mode but not sure. Thoughts?
When I was training to try to use the mesamorph, it was some kind of hellish mixture, I jumped like a mountain goat, this is some kind of narcotic potion.
 
Ive all but given up on pre workouts. At this point I buy the cheap shit from walmart just as a go through the motion type thing cause it seems to have the same effect as a tub of 60 dollar stuff. Recently tried “podium” which was offered at some event i took my wife to. Her friend tried it and was wigging out and i bought some. And meh. Tasted good but meh. Same thing w woke and all the other new stuff out there. Meso morph and krytonite used to be the shit. Same with one called stimul8. Nothing seems to do anything other than empty my wallet. Considering gorilla mode but not sure. Thoughts?
Strom sports Stimumax black edition then get back to me.
 

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