Are bloods need before every cycle?

[4leafclover]

I'm getting this information from the pharmacology of the compounds used for PCT plus the experience of myself and numerous others. 2 weeks after PCT you are still hyper excreting LH from the SERM treatment. Not only that but your HPTA has yet to stabilize.



Well guess what, you have no idea I'd you e really recovered 2wks after PCT. It takes several more weeks just to clear the SERM's and have your HPTA stabilize.

Show me a study please, not that I don't value your opinion... I would just like to see where this "fact" is coming from.

My own "practical" expertise has shown me differently than what you have stated.

 

[4leafclover]

From personal experience for one. Just because you finished pct doesn't mean you have automatically recovered to normal. I do believe Scally would back this up as well.

I didn't say just because I finished pct, I said I was tested after PCT and my levels came back normal. Thus I could start another cycle.

 

[Docd187123]

Look at the half life of Nolva and clomid. It's about 5-7 days for them. 2 weeks after you finish PCT is only 2 half lives or roughly 25% of the original levels in your blood. If you still have SERM's or their metabolites in your blood then your blood test will undoubtedly be inconclusive about recovery. A drug is considered fully metabolized after 9-10 half lives. 6 weeks post PCT or 54 days would be about 9 half lives.

 

[Millard]

If you did your post cycle bloods 2 weeks after finishing PCT you really don't have an accurate indicator of whether or not you've recovered. It should be at least 6 weeks after finishing PCT or longer.

Look at the half life of Nolva and clomid. It's about 5-7 days for them. 2 weeks after you finish PCT is only 2 half lives or roughly 25% of the original levels in your blood. If you still have SERM's or their metabolites in your blood then your blood test will undoubtedly be inconclusive about recovery. A drug is considered fully metabolized after 9-10 half lives. 6 weeks post PCT or 54 days would be about 9 half lives.

This is a common mistake. Many people think their HPTA is recovered because post-PCT labs show normal TT. But it is really showing a HPTA still being stimulated by PCT drugs.

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Show me a study please, not that I don't value your opinion... I would just like to see where this "fact" is coming from.

My own "practical" expertise has shown me differently than what you have stated.

A study? You don't need a study, just some simply math and a bit of common sense. And for you to argue that your bloods returned conclusive after 14 days post PCT is absolutely ridiculous, provided you ran a standard PCT or similar variation - (clomid/nolva 100/50/50/50/ and 40/20/20/20 respectively)

Want some facts? At the time you were having your blood drawn you had approximately 12.5mg of clomiphene still active, along with a small amount of nolva. Any amount of SERM's or any other drug that could impact your results that were not previously recorded when you ran pre bloods to determine baseline, will return inconclusive results. Period.

Doc is correct.