Anyone else come to the realization that the drugs are literally 90% of the equation and it bums you out?

[Sicsemptyran]

and yet it's the least important variable.
I'm not talking about drugs vs no drugs.

I'm talking about drug a vs drug b
or 500mg drug vs 1g drug

I took him to mean zero drugs vs drugs - In which case I totally get it but couldn’t agree more with your point.

Going from natural to 300mg a week was game-changing, but 300mg -> 600mg is an infinitely smaller boost.

 

[shredded.lyfe]

I am so sick of the cope when people blame genetics for things that are in their control.

Yep and my natural T was always floating around the bottom of the reference range.

I know nattys with effectively no testosterone that are stronger and look better then these mongaloids blasting grams of pharmaceuticals.

They're just junkies man, excited to pin and that's it, they actually don't care about the results.

 

[bananafeet]

View: https://youtu.be/TLDkty94RGA


Rippetoe answered this quite nicely. Unfortunately he's right.

They are just another tool, albeit a powerful one.

All the guys who say steroids/drugs are everything are usually dead. The guys who say it's genetic/training are usually still alive.

 

[jtmarlin]

Bruh I'm 5'9 and had abs at 90kg natty.

Just get bigger retard.

so let's do an exercise... at "abs visible" 12% bodyfat at 5'9 and 90kg (198lbs) you have 174 pounds of fat free mass

at 7% bodyfat you are 187 pounds meaning you are claiming to have enough muscle natty to stand onstage next to a men's physique IFBB PRO and look like you belong without drugs

ok

 

[shredded.lyfe]

so let's do an exercise... at "abs visible" 12% bodyfat at 5'9 and 90kg (198lbs) you have 174 pounds of fat free mass

at 7% bodyfat you are 187 pounds meaning you are claiming to have enough muscle natty to stand onstage next to a men's physique IFBB PRO and look like you belong without drugs

ok

I have visible abs at 15% bodyfat because im not a low level bodybuilder and i actually move serious weight because im a national level athlete in both powerlifting and strongman.

Try again retard.

 

[jtmarlin]

I took him to mean zero drugs vs drugs - In which case I totally get it but couldn’t agree more with your point.

Going from natural to 300mg a week was game-changing, but 300mg -> 600mg is an infinitely smaller boost.

That's 100 percent true and I agree. I was talking about no drugs vs drugs or low level TRT (75-100mg) vs actual cycling. Even low level TRT vs no drugs is night and day in my experience.

 

[ripper908]

Genetics are the biggest factor when it comes to bodybuilder

most top Olympians looked liked they were on gear when they were natural

compared to someone like Bostin Loyd who took ridiculous amounts claiming it was all drugs yet he couldn't get his pro card. By his logic he should have been mr.olympia (yes I know he said alot of this stuff just for views)

 

[Duck Dodgers]

They are 90% of the ‘bodybuilding’ look, but they are not 90% of the entire endeavor

Like many have said, I am sure we all know a guy who was on grams of stuff and looked like shit.

We also know dudes who were natural, and looked better than the dude waddling around the gym flaunting GASP apparel

Drugs push your physique to otherwise impossible standards. But without proper training, sleep, hydration, and nutrition, it doesn’t really matter what drugs you’re on .

Genetics are the biggest factor. I know people personally who have made strides in their physique AFTER they reduced their drug load. They fixed their training and diet. These are people who are competitive bodybuilders

All factors of bodybuilding are importsnt. Steroids play a necessary role, but they are not 90%. Each aspect of bodybuilding is vital, really.

But to your point, yes natural bodybuilding is a joke. I did my first show in 2020 natural, and I wasn’t even peeled at 148lbs and 5’7. If I was peeled I’m sure I would’ve been maybe 140.

Just the way it is. There’s nothing ‘natural’ about bodybuilding. Natural bodybuilding is an oxymoron lmao