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Sworder
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EQ seems to be a viable option because it can help you increase your red blood cell count/hematocrit without building any muscle.
Other than using AAS to increase your hematocrit, they will only harm your performance.
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Other than using AAS to increase your hematocrit, they will only harm your performance.
peptide man sells EPO!
Hey all! Im a newb to this and just saying hello! Im an endurance road cyclist looking to learn more about safe ways to enhance my performance using anabolics. Being sterile, tolerance info, sides, etc... Any great links are appreciated!
The big question is: do you compete in USADA/WADA sanctioned events?
What type of cycling? Most pro road cyclists only use small dosages of testosterone. At one time Andriol (testosterone undecanoate) pills were popular. Now, it seems testosterone patches have replaced Andriol.
The holy grail of PEDs for cyclists are erythropoiesis-stimulating agents (ESA) like Epogen (EPO). AAS are like an afterthought nowadays.
Tyler Hamilton gave some tips in his book
Tyler Hamilton's Guide to Using Anabolic Steroids and EPO in Cycling
USADA provided some clues in it's "Reasoned Decision" against Lance Armstrong too.
Pericles
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EQ will, as mentioned, increase red blood cell count and thus endurance. 200 EQ and test (400 weekly total) should give youa significant, yet safe performance boost.
There is another guy to ask also, he is a professional cyclist.....dang, can't remember his name......hmmm, let me see...Oh, I remember:
Lance Armstrong[
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There is another guy to ask also, he is a professional cyclist.....dang, can't remember his name......hmmm, let me see...Oh, I remember:
Lance Armstrong[
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Lance Armstrong[
By every account, the only anabolic steroid used by Armstrong was testosterone.
No, just local amateur events that dont test. I did an experiment last week with a small taste of test E with a friend. I felt like I could push harder, recover faster, and I noticed a big increase in muscle size. My main goal is strength and endurance without adding weight. After doing a little research, EQ and EPO seem like better options but they seem so much more expensive.
Ive been changing my sleep and changed diet to non processed foods, lean meats, lots of fruits and vegetables, whole grains, no dairy. This has proven to be costly in itself but Ive seen a BIG difference in my energy levels and how I feel. I was eating nothing but junk for years.
What is the cheapest way to go about using EPO or Bold and would it be worth it? Im on a budget but am lined up with a better job soon.
Its not like Im pro but I did like what the test e did. Are there any safe pro hormones out there that act like EPO or Bold but are cheaper? Thanks guys, you rock!
No, just local amateur events that dont test. I did an experiment last week with a small taste of test E with a friend. I felt like I could push harder, recover faster, and I noticed a big increase in muscle size. My main goal is strength and endurance without adding weight. After doing a little research, EQ and EPO seem like better options but they seem so much more expensive.
Ive been changing my sleep and changed diet to non processed foods, lean meats, lots of fruits and vegetables, whole grains, no dairy. This has proven to be costly in itself but Ive seen a BIG difference in my energy levels and how I feel. I was eating nothing but junk for years.
What is the cheapest way to go about using EPO or Bold and would it be worth it? Im on a budget but am lined up with a better job soon.
Its not like Im pro but I did like what the test e did. Are there any safe pro hormones out there that act like EPO or Bold but are cheaper? Thanks guys, you rock!
How familiar are you with PED side effects?
Close monitoring of hematocrit levels mandatory with EPO use.
AAS use can cause HPTA suppression which can cause host of other issues if not addressed properly.
Pericles
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Correct. Of course he also used EPO (the best drug of cyclists). As I have discussed before, to much gear actually hurts endurance.
One thing I do not understand, is why Armstrong did not base his argument for test on the fact that he only has one testicle?
Pericles
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Correct. Are you aware of the fact that even low dosage test will shut down your HPTA? You will need several drugs and a well designed pct to restore your endocrin system. Do you have a well designed pct? I doubt that you do.
The media hypes a bunch of BS consequences of using gear, however the one I just ^ laid out is a very real and serious danger. W/ out proper planing and access to every thing you need, you are setting yourself up for hormonal hell, not unlike what women go through once a month. The difference is that this hell will last a lot longer.
Sworder
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Sorry, I should have been more clear. Testosterone at traditional "TRT" doses will work fine, but something like a 500mg/week testosterone dose will only impede. Progress, use EQ to increase hematocrit along with low dose testosterone if any steroid is to be used. But honestly, I would get labs done first to see how your tT is right now and then decide if you are going to optimize it.
p.s. Strength(muscle) and endurance have an inverse relationship. Muscle creates strength, well some CNS stimulation from AAS can increase strength as well. The DHT derivatives.
p.s. Strength(muscle) and endurance have an inverse relationship. Muscle creates strength, well some CNS stimulation from AAS can increase strength as well. The DHT derivatives.
I often suspected that Armstrong had a secret therapeutic use exemption (TUE). (Secret in that it was private, confidential health information only shared with cycling's governing body.) If anyone could get a TUE for testosterone in cycling, I agree the most likely candidate would have been the "juan pelota" cyclist!
EPO is the only thing I would screw with. You don't want to play around with your natural levels and starting to cycle roids.
Trust me on this.
I amateur race. In my state, the shit it out of control and the testing in amateur events is gaining serious traction.
I personally don't care, I will just refuse testing and get banned...haha...
But seriously, EPO, and a good source, can be run to help with raising RBC and hemotacrit levels. And the half-life is short, so you can train/cycle it, get the benefits, stop the stuff, and still have the benefits while you race.
Otherwise, all that other stuff, like EQ, has way too long of a half-life/detection period. Plus, you don't want to fuck your HPTA up while doing this stuff, trust me on this.
I know guys that run EQ on/off. They recover quicker so they can train more, it helps also raise hemotacrit levels, and they gain descent strenght, plus stay lean and don't get bulked up. But you have to watch your food intake. That shit makes you want to eat like a "horse" haha...get it...see what I did there?
Anyway, don't screw with roids man. Nature is best. Get a baseline from privatemdlabs of your LH/FSH/TT/E2 and CBC panel. Post up the results.
Trust me on this.
I amateur race. In my state, the shit it out of control and the testing in amateur events is gaining serious traction.
I personally don't care, I will just refuse testing and get banned...haha...
But seriously, EPO, and a good source, can be run to help with raising RBC and hemotacrit levels. And the half-life is short, so you can train/cycle it, get the benefits, stop the stuff, and still have the benefits while you race.
Otherwise, all that other stuff, like EQ, has way too long of a half-life/detection period. Plus, you don't want to fuck your HPTA up while doing this stuff, trust me on this.
I know guys that run EQ on/off. They recover quicker so they can train more, it helps also raise hemotacrit levels, and they gain descent strenght, plus stay lean and don't get bulked up. But you have to watch your food intake. That shit makes you want to eat like a "horse" haha...get it...see what I did there?
Anyway, don't screw with roids man. Nature is best. Get a baseline from privatemdlabs of your LH/FSH/TT/E2 and CBC panel. Post up the results.
How common is EPO at local amateur level? How many of top 5 of any given race are using something? Has it changed during time you've competed?
Ive done some research on the side effects and know the dangers. I honestly should probably check my testosterone levels with a doc before I try it again. Im a young guy at 22 and probably shouldent be messing with this stuff unless I have the proper anti estrogen and EQ to counter act the sides. Like I said Im a newb at this and really dont know too much. Was one time at a very low dose enough to screw with me? I havent noticed any sides and its been about 2 weeks since I did the injection. I actually had bad sides using six star testosterone booster awhile back. Lots of rage. But that stopped immediately once I came off it. I did some research online and alot of people said real test is usually safer than the stuff on store shelves so I tried it and liked the results. But now Im a little nervous about trying it again. Should I get something to stop the hpta suppression right away even after just a taste? I honestly dont know the exact amount I used but my dogs friend said it was about 25% of what he normally takes which seemed OK at the time. Did I make a mistake?
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Interesting information here...thank you.
Pericles
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You are 22....hell no, should you be using gear. At your age you will f#$% up your still maturing endocrine system, which should be producing plenty of test.
You may want to use EPO, but at the local level, I don't think it is warranted.
Just get on your bike, bust your ass training, get plenty of good food and rest. If someday you are in the TD France, then maybe you would dope (but stay away from Oprah).
You may want to use EPO, but at the local level, I don't think it is warranted.
Just get on your bike, bust your ass training, get plenty of good food and rest. If someday you are in the TD France, then maybe you would dope (but stay away from Oprah).
Only testing can answer that question.
But when guys are looking around at each other going, hmmmm...something's up. Well...who knows. I know the use of some kind of steroids, like EQ are common/random. Some teams are really adament with their clean riding, but for every team that wants it clean, there are unattached and other teams, and individuals that will use.
EPO? Who knows.
Top 5 using? Well, in our State, the big push is for fair/clean competition which I would be pretty certain the testing is going to be targeted. Makes no sense to me to spend $700, on a limited budget of donations, to randomly test a Cat 4 who finishes 35th place or gets dropped all the time in a race...rather the Cat 1/2/3/4 who finishes top 5 consistently....wouldn't you agree?
We will see. This weekend is the first big race of the season. The series is called the "WAM Clean Racing Series"...so what is that signalling?!?! I'm passing personally. My fitness and winter training has sucked, so I'm going to train and shoot for the next weekend and pray not to get dropped.
But, is there going to be testing? It's an enigma...
But when guys are looking around at each other going, hmmmm...something's up. Well...who knows. I know the use of some kind of steroids, like EQ are common/random. Some teams are really adament with their clean riding, but for every team that wants it clean, there are unattached and other teams, and individuals that will use.
EPO? Who knows.
Top 5 using? Well, in our State, the big push is for fair/clean competition which I would be pretty certain the testing is going to be targeted. Makes no sense to me to spend $700, on a limited budget of donations, to randomly test a Cat 4 who finishes 35th place or gets dropped all the time in a race...rather the Cat 1/2/3/4 who finishes top 5 consistently....wouldn't you agree?
We will see. This weekend is the first big race of the season. The series is called the "WAM Clean Racing Series"...so what is that signalling?!?! I'm passing personally. My fitness and winter training has sucked, so I'm going to train and shoot for the next weekend and pray not to get dropped.
But, is there going to be testing? It's an enigma...
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I'm going to echo this post in a BIG WAY. Don't f&ck with your natural state. The only thing I would do is EPO. That has no negative feedback, done right, your levels will go up nicely on the RBC/hemotacrit, do blood work to keep on top, then cease so no detection.
Otherwise, you risk screwing your HPTA up forever...this is no joke, and no fun to have to deal with the rest of your life. It ain't worth it.
Otherwise, you risk screwing your HPTA up forever...this is no joke, and no fun to have to deal with the rest of your life. It ain't worth it.
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