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Alcohol vs. Steriods which is more dangerous
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T&H
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I'd rather not say anything than make a ridiculous accusation based solely on one post. Want a contribution, here.
Based on the limited information in the guys first post, he just wants an opinion. And honestly it's so little to really go on, I can't really say with certainty which is worse as there are many other factors to consider. Such as some questions you brought up.
So my answer is I can't really say based on the little bit of information posed.
You're saying I made an accusation. I'm saying I made an informed assessment based on all of his posts. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm certainly not going to call you a moron for it.
Everything else you said I agree with. We are now essentially saying the same thing.
Except I've asked OP for clarification multiple times, with specific questions, to make a debate or argument even possible. OP refuses, and now it's just a thread about how alcohol is bad for you. So what?
I mean, Op is on team steroids but doesn't even want to share why. Seriously. He doesn't even want to contribute to his own thread.
Everything else you said I agree with. We are now essentially saying the same thing.
Except I've asked OP for clarification multiple times, with specific questions, to make a debate or argument even possible. OP refuses, and now it's just a thread about how alcohol is bad for you. So what?
I mean, Op is on team steroids but doesn't even want to share why. Seriously. He doesn't even want to contribute to his own thread.
they are both bad, they can both be used responsibly, they can both kill you, both make you sick much faster from decision making, both can hurt you long term if done poorly…. Having a beer a night vs just taking test, you can live forever, drinking 1 L vodka a day va blasting 10,000 grams of gear a week will shorten chance of living.
it really is the user who will determine what can be handled or not, and/if there genes aka addiction issues… so its not really the substance but the person….in this scenario
Edit….if you have underlying health conditions too, that changes things as well.
it really is the user who will determine what can be handled or not, and/if there genes aka addiction issues… so its not really the substance but the person….in this scenario
Edit….if you have underlying health conditions too, that changes things as well.
skinnyfatboy
New Member
Yeah.
Well either way its addiction. So we're comparing alcohol addiction to steroid addiction. Both will have an impact from a mental health standpoint.
From a health standpoint alcohol 5-6 times a week would have a bigger impact than 500mg of test. But then again no one is going to just run 500mg without adding to it.
From a health standpoint alcohol 5-6 times a week would have a bigger impact than 500mg of test. But then again no one is going to just run 500mg without adding to it.
The comparison that I am attempting to make is the following.
1. Drinker that drinks 6-8 drinks, 5-6 days a week. Half the drinks are wine and half the drinks are Whisky.
2. Anabolic steroid user who takes 200mg a week of TRT (Test Cypionate) year-round. Twice a year he does a blast of 250 mg of Cyp combined with 250mg Primobolan. Takes all necessary anti-estrogens and watches his blood work.
Which person lives longer assuming they have the same BMI and both people workout identically?
Please let me know if you need any more specifics.
1. Drinker that drinks 6-8 drinks, 5-6 days a week. Half the drinks are wine and half the drinks are Whisky.
2. Anabolic steroid user who takes 200mg a week of TRT (Test Cypionate) year-round. Twice a year he does a blast of 250 mg of Cyp combined with 250mg Primobolan. Takes all necessary anti-estrogens and watches his blood work.
Which person lives longer assuming they have the same BMI and both people workout identically?
Please let me know if you need any more specifics.
UncleBuns
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Genetics will play a big role in that scenario. Different drug effects vary a lot depending on the individual. I would guess that the alcohol drinker is more likely to have bad outcomes on average. Obesity, malnutrition, liver disease, more likely to get a drunk driving accident or an accident in general, more likely to not hold down a good job and not have stable finances which would lower overall quality of life, etc. I'm biased though because I don't drink at all and I'm not a fan of alcohol culture.
I'm assuming in this hypothetical the person would continue the behavior until death. I'm picturing a 78 year old guy blasting and cruising. There's got to be a senior citizen out there doing it right now.
BrockSamson42
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Well, I can't comment on every-single-aspect of both. But I would say at a glance, alcohol is worse. You can't avoid gaining fat when drinking, the body can't metabolize those calories into anything useful for the most part so it's mostly fat. Beer is calorie dense, "1 drink" is equal to 12oz of beer, 6oz of wine, or 1oz of liquor.
Your body can't properly metabolize carbs and proteins and fats while alcohol is in your system so the majority of what you eat during that period get's stored as fat. I recall this from my nutrition course being the thing that stood out to me for years. I'd say this one aspect alone put's casual drinkers at a disadvantage simply trying to maintain a proper weight. That's an extra 200-400 calories of alcohol which equates to fat, on top of the majority of food ingested while alcohol is being metabolized...so maybe even more calories, most getting stored as fat.
From a very very basic opinion, simply looking at your overall BMI, and overtime the weight gained... I mean You'd be hard pressed to convince me the TRT patient with Primo is gaining more weight/fat after 6 months vs the alcohol user.
Also in your example that person is drinking a lot... So that is def worse. But I would say even 1-2 drinks a day with food would make you decently unhealthy after a few months. The person drinking that much alcohol likely isn't taking care of their fitness? To me it sort of comes with the profile.
Anyway my opinion isn't meant to account for "technicalities" or exceptions. You can give yourself serious health complications abusing gear for a few years. The obvious thing being what OP said, if the Steroid user is monitoring his blood. I mean, Most people don't do this regularly already so that's a huge help and advantage to the steroid user.
Both shorten life, to some extent...But I'd be hard pressed to say somebody drinking nearly everyday after 10 years in their 30's is going to look better and be healthier than the steroid user after 10 years at the doses you prescribed...Rich Piana doses though, that's a recipe to die as fast and young as any alcohol abuser.
Your body can't properly metabolize carbs and proteins and fats while alcohol is in your system so the majority of what you eat during that period get's stored as fat. I recall this from my nutrition course being the thing that stood out to me for years. I'd say this one aspect alone put's casual drinkers at a disadvantage simply trying to maintain a proper weight. That's an extra 200-400 calories of alcohol which equates to fat, on top of the majority of food ingested while alcohol is being metabolized...so maybe even more calories, most getting stored as fat.
From a very very basic opinion, simply looking at your overall BMI, and overtime the weight gained... I mean You'd be hard pressed to convince me the TRT patient with Primo is gaining more weight/fat after 6 months vs the alcohol user.
Also in your example that person is drinking a lot... So that is def worse. But I would say even 1-2 drinks a day with food would make you decently unhealthy after a few months. The person drinking that much alcohol likely isn't taking care of their fitness? To me it sort of comes with the profile.
Anyway my opinion isn't meant to account for "technicalities" or exceptions. You can give yourself serious health complications abusing gear for a few years. The obvious thing being what OP said, if the Steroid user is monitoring his blood. I mean, Most people don't do this regularly already so that's a huge help and advantage to the steroid user.
Both shorten life, to some extent...But I'd be hard pressed to say somebody drinking nearly everyday after 10 years in their 30's is going to look better and be healthier than the steroid user after 10 years at the doses you prescribed...Rich Piana doses though, that's a recipe to die as fast and young as any alcohol abuser.
I hope so too!
RedSalmon
New Member
I wouldn't even hesitate to pick alcohol as the one of the most harmful substances overall.... Statistics says it all...
Bet you had fun doing it though
Dang-1
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I’m heavily biased as I’m an alcoholic who stopped drinking 18 years ago.
You tightened up your scenario’s enough where it’s pretty easy to say the alcohol user is the statistically more likely to have later in life complications, particularly type 2 diabetes, obesity, liver, heart,ect
But as many have said if the AAS user has any genetic predisposition for heart issues then things tilt as AAS have all the known ventricular thickening, valves, ect…
I like how you tightened up your scope but I didn’t just do 6-8 drinks a night when I drank and many don’t do just 500mg of test/primo so addictive personality types if they are considered really make a judgement much harder. Like take that crazy 3g of tren guy and my 20 year old self taking down 875ml of vodka a night at my worst, both those guys have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel! With a race into the grave my money is still on the alcoholic but I’ve also never taken crazy amounts of gear so I don’t have that frame of reference, hence my bias.
You tightened up your scenario’s enough where it’s pretty easy to say the alcohol user is the statistically more likely to have later in life complications, particularly type 2 diabetes, obesity, liver, heart,ect
But as many have said if the AAS user has any genetic predisposition for heart issues then things tilt as AAS have all the known ventricular thickening, valves, ect…
I like how you tightened up your scope but I didn’t just do 6-8 drinks a night when I drank and many don’t do just 500mg of test/primo so addictive personality types if they are considered really make a judgement much harder. Like take that crazy 3g of tren guy and my 20 year old self taking down 875ml of vodka a night at my worst, both those guys have one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel! With a race into the grave my money is still on the alcoholic but I’ve also never taken crazy amounts of gear so I don’t have that frame of reference, hence my bias.
Type-IIx
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Under these conditions:
AAS use at ≤ 500 mg/w for say a 95 kg (209 lb) man for periods of 16 weeks, ± 4 versus 7 alcoholic drinks, ± 1 5 to 6 days a week (chronic alcohol abuse; coupled with probable physical withdrawal symptoms after cessation) assuming periods of decadeslong use...
Alcohol is worse, because this will inevitably cause irreparable physical maladies, disease, and death, and socio- relational & legal quandaries, including arrest & breakdown of family cohesion.
However that is not to say that AAS use at this level is healthy; nor healthier than 1/3 this level of alcohol consumption!
I don't know many long-term AAS users that don't have a substantially higher biological age than chronological. By that, I mean, these drugs seem to age people. You see it in young users, even; in their twenties they look like they are in their mid-thirties, for example. You can try to fight it with caloric restriction, but it's that androgenicity & IGF-I seemingly that just increases mitosis or cell division. I believe that these drugs "speed up" the biological clock as it were.
AAS risk can be seriously mitigated, however, by dose & time of exposure, applying education & experience to rational use. You cannot say this about an addictive poison, the primary effect of which is elimination of inhibitions or impulse control: ethanol.
Further, AAS use is associated with a tremendous level of physical activity, good diet & nutrition, varied types of activity (e.g., resistance, aerobic-endurance), and even financial security and all that entails. Quite unlike alcohol.
And this – OK; well; until now – says nothing of the absolute number of worldwide alcohol abusers and the toll that alcohol takes on healthspan, lifespan, and early deaths due to fatal traffic accidents, etc.
Bigbicep
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Imo it depends how you abuse it and how much. You can drink alcohol every weekend for years and years going parties and getting smashed and still be okay. But once you start drinking everyday slamming almost a bottle of spirits then you get the problems. With roids it’s sort of the same you know you can cycle and still be in pretty good health. You could even improve your physical health if used right. But once you start smashing grams and grams of gear that’s when you’ll run into problems. Use in moderation fellas, everyone has their poison
