AIDS funding..is it worth it??

Kayz said:
Guys..this is going to be a very heated debate. I want to discuss a very sensitive and volatile issue, but I want to do so in a civil manner. If you disagree with me, fine. Tell me why you think I am wrong, and more importantly, why you think you are right! Don't say "kayz you are a piece of shit....I hope you die". That adds nothing to the debate.

Again, this is a touchy subject and I will probably offend many of you with my ideas and opinions. But please understand that these are just MY opinions.

Okay, here goes.

I think we need to get rid of funding for AIDS in the United States (or drastically reduce it). If other countries want to tackle this "epidemic", so be it. But I don't think the US should contribute.

Why???

Becuase AIDS is a disease of choice. Yes, a disease of choice. There are ZERO genetic predispositions to HIV/AIDS (unless of course your mother had it and passed it along to you at birth....we'll discuss this in a moment). An individual contracts AIDS/HIV thru his own actions..period. HIV/AIDS can only be contracted when an infected individual's bodily fluids (not all fluids) come into direct contact with a non-infected person. This occurs via sexual intercourse, oral sex, needle sharing (blood), and other less known/publicized ways.

The reason it bothers me so much is that I look at the amount of money we spend on AIDS research in the states and I compare it to the amount of money set aside to combat diseases such as Prostate Cancer in males and breast cancer in women.

Each year, the CDC sets aside approximatley $14 million dollars to help combat prostate cancer. EAch year, approximately 220,000 men will be diagnosed with prostate cancer, which ranks second to only lung cancer in cancer related deaths in males. This year alone, about 29,000 men will die from prostate cancer, which is typically regarded as a fairly cancer to treat if caught in time.

Unlike HIV/AIDS, prostate cancer is based largely on genetic predisposition. Obviously there are environmental factors that will exacerbate the condition, but there is a great deal of genetics involved. However, AIDS contraction is based solely on ones lifestyle/actions.

Each year, the CDC sets aside approximatley $100 million (varies depending on the source of info.) to help combat and screen for breast cancer, which kills more women than any other cancer except lung cancer. This year alone, approximately 250,000 women will be diagnosed with breast cancer and about 43,000 women will die from it.

Like Prostate cancer, breast cancer is largely genetic. Women whom have a family history of breast cancer (either on the dads or moms side) is at a much greater risk of getting breast cancer.

The same cannot be said for AIDS because there is no genetic predisposition.

Each year in the United States alone, about 43,000 individuals will contract HIV. And this year, about 18,000 will die from AIDS. Here are some interesting stats on HIV/AIDS:

1) The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimate that 850,000 to 950,000 U.S. residents are living with HIV infection, one-quarter of whom are unaware of their infection.......the fact that 1 in 4 people who have it are unaware they are infected is disturbing and that is the main problem.

2) Of new infections among men in the United States, CDC estimates that approximately 60 percent of men were infected through homosexual sex, 25 percent through injection drug use, and 15 percent through heterosexual sex. This does not leave room for error.

3) Of new infections among women in the United States, CDC estimates that approximately 75 percent of women were infected through heterosexual sex and 25 percent through injection drug use

Each year, we spend almost a half of a billion dollars to combat AIDS worldwide. That is 5 times more than we spend on breast cancer and about 33 more times than we spend on prostate cancer. This to me is disturbing. Here we have 2 diseases that in most cases, cannot be prevented..but can be treated when caught early. On the other hand, AIDS is COMPLETELY preventable, and virtually untreatable. The virus mutates faster than we can creat new cocktails to fight it. It is always one step ahead of us.

Now, lets look at the cases where AIDS is contracted when sex, needle use, or any "acts" are not involved:

1) Transmission at birth. In 1992, the number of AIDS cases in adolescents (from birth -12 years of age) was less than 100 nationwide!!! This is a relatively low number IMO. Babies born with AIDS rarely live past the age of 5.

2) Blood transfusions. The odds of this happenign are about 1 in 450,000. Thus, it accounts for a negligible amount of new cases each year...if any at all. This is contributed to the new blood screening processes put into place.

3) Hospital workers sticking themselves with needles accidentally.This is highly rare.

So, my question to you guys is this:

Since it is the actions of primarily irresponsible individuals, does AIDS justify the amount of dollars it receives for funding when compared to other diseases??? There are a few cases each year that results from freak accidents.Do those justify hundreds of millions of dollars??

If you agree with me, what would you do to stop the spread of AIDS??

If you disagree with me, why?? and don't say "you are so ignorant and clueless". Give me a real answer.

And before anyone asks: "No, I do not know anyone with AIDS. At least I don't think so, but then again, 25% of those infected dont' even know...so how would I"?

I'm interested in your opinions.

i'M NOT SURE IF YOU WANT MY OPINON.YOU ARE A JACKASS TO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A HOMO TYPE CANCER.YOU HAVE NO EDUCATION ( DONT TELL ME YOUR A GRADUATE WITH A BS IN ANYTHING ) I HIGHLY DOUBT YOU HAVE AN 8TH GRADE EDUCATION.HOW DARE YOU SAY AIDS IS A HOMO RELATED THING.ARE YOU SILLY? WE ARE ALL BORN WITH THE HIV CELL.ALL IT TAKES IS A LITTLE CHEMISTRY FOR THE CELL TO TURN IN AIDS.I HOPE EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD DISREGARDS ANY PREVIOUS INFO YOU GAVE THEM.YOU SIR ARE A TRUE RETARD OF KNOWLEDGE.
 
nightcrew213 said:
i'M NOT SURE IF YOU WANT MY OPINON.YOU ARE A JACKASS TO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS A HOMO TYPE CANCER.YOU HAVE NO EDUCATION ( DONT TELL ME YOUR A GRADUATE WITH A BS IN ANYTHING ) I HIGHLY DOUBT YOU HAVE AN 8TH GRADE EDUCATION.HOW DARE YOU SAY AIDS IS A HOMO RELATED THING.ARE YOU SILLY? WE ARE ALL BORN WITH THE HIV CELL.ALL IT TAKES IS A LITTLE CHEMISTRY FOR THE CELL TO TURN IN AIDS.I HOPE EVERYONE ON THIS BOARD DISREGARDS ANY PREVIOUS INFO YOU GAVE THEM.YOU SIR ARE A TRUE RETARD OF KNOWLEDGE.

Boy, you really got me on that one brainiac.
 
Kayz said:
Guys..this is going to be a very heated debate. I want to discuss a very sensitive and volatile issue, but I want to do so in a civil manner. If you disagree with me, fine. Tell me why you think I am wrong, and more importantly, why you think you are right! Don't say "kayz you are a piece of shit....I hope you die". That adds nothing to the debate.

Again, this is a touchy subject and I will probably offend many of you with my ideas and opinions. But please understand that these are just MY opinions.

Okay, here goes.

I think we need to get rid of funding for AIDS in the United States (or drastically reduce it). If other countries want to tackle this "epidemic", so be it. But I don't think the US should contribute.

Why???

Becuase AIDS is a disease of choice. Yes, a disease of choice. There are ZERO genetic predispositions to HIV/AIDS (unless of course your mother had it and passed it along to you at birth....we'll discuss this in a moment). An individual contracts AIDS/HIV thru his own actions..period. HIV/AIDS can only be contracted when an infected individual's bodily fluids (not all fluids) come into direct contact with a non-infected person. This occurs via sexual intercourse, oral sex, needle sharing (blood), and other less known/publicized ways.

The reason it bothers me so much is that I look at the amount of money we spend on AIDS research in the states and I compare it to the amount of money set aside to combat diseases such as Prostate Cancer in males and breast cancer in women.

Each year, the CDC sets aside approximatley $14 million dollars to help combat prostate cancer. EAch year, approximately 220,000 men will be diagnosed with prostate cancer, which ranks second to only lung cancer in cancer related deaths in males. This year alone, about 29,000 men will die from prostate cancer, which is typically regarded as a fairly cancer to treat if caught in time.

Unlike HIV/AIDS, prostate cancer is based largely on genetic predisposition. Obviously there are environmental factors that will exacerbate the condition, but there is a great deal of genetics involved. However, AIDS contraction is based solely on ones lifestyle/actions.

Each year, the CDC sets aside approximatley $100 million (varies depending on the source of info.) to help combat and screen for breast cancer, which kills more women than any other cancer except lung cancer. This year alone, approximately 250,000 women will be diagnosed with breast cancer and about 43,000 women will die from it.

Like Prostate cancer, breast cancer is largely genetic. Women whom have a family history of breast cancer (either on the dads or moms side) is at a much greater risk of getting breast cancer.

The same cannot be said for AIDS because there is no genetic predisposition.

Each year in the United States alone, about 43,000 individuals will contract HIV. And this year, about 18,000 will die from AIDS. Here are some interesting stats on HIV/AIDS:

1) The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimate that 850,000 to 950,000 U.S. residents are living with HIV infection, one-quarter of whom are unaware of their infection.......the fact that 1 in 4 people who have it are unaware they are infected is disturbing and that is the main problem.

2) Of new infections among men in the United States, CDC estimates that approximately 60 percent of men were infected through homosexual sex, 25 percent through injection drug use, and 15 percent through heterosexual sex. This does not leave room for error.

3) Of new infections among women in the United States, CDC estimates that approximately 75 percent of women were infected through heterosexual sex and 25 percent through injection drug use

Each year, we spend almost a half of a billion dollars to combat AIDS worldwide. That is 5 times more than we spend on breast cancer and about 33 more times than we spend on prostate cancer. This to me is disturbing. Here we have 2 diseases that in most cases, cannot be prevented..but can be treated when caught early. On the other hand, AIDS is COMPLETELY preventable, and virtually untreatable. The virus mutates faster than we can creat new cocktails to fight it. It is always one step ahead of us.

Now, lets look at the cases where AIDS is contracted when sex, needle use, or any "acts" are not involved:

1) Transmission at birth. In 1992, the number of AIDS cases in adolescents (from birth -12 years of age) was less than 100 nationwide!!! This is a relatively low number IMO. Babies born with AIDS rarely live past the age of 5.

2) Blood transfusions. The odds of this happenign are about 1 in 450,000. Thus, it accounts for a negligible amount of new cases each year...if any at all. This is contributed to the new blood screening processes put into place.

3) Hospital workers sticking themselves with needles accidentally.This is highly rare.

So, my question to you guys is this:

Since it is the actions of primarily irresponsible individuals, does AIDS justify the amount of dollars it receives for funding when compared to other diseases??? There are a few cases each year that results from freak accidents.Do those justify hundreds of millions of dollars??

If you agree with me, what would you do to stop the spread of AIDS??

If you disagree with me, why?? and don't say "you are so ignorant and clueless". Give me a real answer.

And before anyone asks: "No, I do not know anyone with AIDS. At least I don't think so, but then again, 25% of those infected dont' even know...so how would I"?

I'm interested in your opinions.

I dont even know where to start. People make mistakes! God, do you honestly think the ppl with AIDS chose to get it!? NO! They made a poor decision, but fuck at least dont turn your back on them for it. Help them! Might as well vote that EVERY crime committed calls for the death penalty. Fuck 'em right?! They are not you or me, and shit, we dont know them; their story. Why should we research AIDS for the rest of the world?! CAUSE WE HAVE THE MEANS TOO! Cause not all of us here in the US are cold hearted bastards like Kayz. Listen to this kid rant! Look at his sig! If that doesn't show maturity, then I don't know what does. And no, I'm not sorry for the personal attacks, they have been way over due. You are a disgrace to the US and I hope your child turns out to be gay, contracts AIDS, and dies in Iraq for some meaningless thing. Further explination on the matter of AIDS would be a waste of bandwith.
 
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Deca said:
I dont even know where to start. People make mistakes! God, do you honestly think the ppl with AIDS chose to get it!? NO! They made a poor decision, but fuck at least dont turn your back on them for it. Help them! Might as well vote that EVERY crime committed calls for the death penalty. Fuck 'em right?! They are not you or me, and shit, we dont know them; their story. Why should we research AIDS for the rest of the world?! CAUSE WE HAVE THE MEANS TOO! Cause not all of us here in the US are cold hearted bastards like Kayz. Listen to this kid rant! Look at his sig! If that doesn't show maturity, then I don't know what does. And no, I'm not sorry for the personal attacks, they have been way over due. You are a disgrace to the US and I hope your child turns out to be gay, contracts AIDS, and dies in Iraq for some meaningless thing. Further explination on the matter of AIDS would be a waste of bandwith.

LOL....you have the gaul to call me immature and cold hearted, but you wish my kid (even though I have none) to die!!! Real mature there buddy.

People like you kill me dude. You are so fucking stupid you are incapable of forming a substantive argument...all you can do is insult me personally, and in doing so you show your ignorance.
 
AIDS is a massive disease. That equals MASSIVE money. That is why there is so much funding and will continue to be!

Worth it or not you will not change economical motives with moral arguments!
 
Ronin_ said:
AIDS is a massive disease. That equals MASSIVE money. That is why there is so much funding and will continue to be!

Worth it or not you will not change economical motives with moral arguments!
Oh, I know that. I was just trying to spark some debate in here.....been kind of boring lately.
 
Hey guys listen up, I have been an HIV/ AIDS instructor with both the Navy and Red cross, the starter of this thread is seriously out of touch with facts. Yes it is very sensitive to many.

Kayz you are 24 years of age, and this promise is not to belittle you but you really need to open your heart with facts and understanding. This applies to life period, ad if you think I am being hard then I am sorry. As you live a little more , and gain a more well rounded understanding of life and its issues your views will change at least somewhat


peace to Kayz and to ya all

Vikings
 
vikings said:
Hey guys listen up, I have been an HIV/ AIDS instructor with both the Navy and Red cross, the starter of this thread is seriously out of touch with facts. Yes it is very sensitive to many.

Kayz you are 24 years of age, and this promise is not to belittle you but you really need to open your heart with facts and understanding. This applies to life period, ad if you think I am being hard then I am sorry. As you live a little more , and gain a more well rounded understanding of life and its issues your views will change at least somewhat


peace to Kayz and to ya all

Vikings

LOL...I was waiting for you to respond. It's all good brohter...I know you mean well.

However, I do get a little tired of your "you are young Kayz...you need to live a little more" remarks. You my friend are how old?? 39?? Sure, you have more "life experiences" under your belt than I do, but I"m not sure you are in a position to lecture me on "the true meaning of life". Just my .02

good day.
 
Also, instead of just saying that I am out of touch...tell me why I am out of touch in your honest opinion. I asked in my first post to NOT just say that I am wrong, but provide evidence that may make me change my mind or at least adopt a more sensitive view of this matter.
 
Kayz said:
Also, instead of just saying that I am out of touch...tell me why I am out of touch in your honest opinion. I asked in my first post to NOT just say that I am wrong, but provide evidence that may make me change my mind or at least adopt a more sensitive view of this matter.


It isn't that I have so much more life experience than you but I deal with a lot of younger men , younger only from the aspect of age , and 99% of their positions on issues are primarily the same. You on th other hand are in a very unique position, and that is you hand ur family have money. Total difference, diversity means just that to be well rounded with experience on key and hot subjects. You already prove you havd no idea about HIV/AIDS, one of my most familiar subjects besides BB and ministry. Also had a cousin that died of AIDS related symptoms, and many patients that I took care of suffered from this dreadful disease for a huge number of reasons.
Remember bro, no flaming at all, we all have to acquire experience to understand why things happen and occur the way that they do. I am not preaching to you, I am trying to give you some wealthy advice. Now if you want to talk to me about yielding a profit or taking care of truckers then I am alll ears, but when you voice your opinion it is always wise to speak that which you know and that which you can prove.
Living a little just simply means whatever is going to happen in life will, and that it will build upon ones current status or position. It is kinda like a father telling his child , "do not touch the hot stove"? The kid doesn't really understand how impacting it will be when and if they do. Once again, do not take that the wrong way because you have proven to me that you will take text out of context. I don't want you to do that. HIV/AIDS is a disease that doesn't discriminate and if you were in the situation you would see it more than " well I did it its my fault". That may be true but it is horrific if it hits your home front.

All I ask of you as a distant friend, and you don't owe me anything. Always try to research the facts and the things that are contrary to your situation and that way you can make an honest and important opinion based upon factual data and not data that isn't consistent with your situation.

Just because you live good doesn't mean it is all good.

I live good too.

peace to the K-A-Y-Z
much love
 
FAir enough, I understand what you are trying to say. And I"m not going to take your text out of context.

However, I never said that people who contract AIDS are evil sinners who deserve to die...I was simply comparing it to OTHER DISEASES WHICH ARE GENETICALLY DRIVEN (prostate and breast cancer). HIV/AIDS is not a genetic disease like the other 2. AIDS is contracted via ones own actions (there are always exceptions). However, Prostate and breast cancer kill more people in the US annually than HIV/AIDS does, yet HIV/AIDS receives a tremendous amount more funding than the other diseases I mentioned. Why??

I am simply asking: should HIV/AIDS be weighed so that it is deemed "more important" than prostate cancer or breast cancer, which kill more people than HIV/AIDS in the US. And you are correct, HIV/AIDS does not discriminate.....but neither does prostate cancer/breast cancer.
 
Did you really understand what he said, Kayz? I didn't. Dude, what point were you trying to make? I honestly didn't understand your post for shit.
 
Grizzly said:
Did you really understand what he said, Kayz? I didn't. Dude, what point were you trying to make? I honestly didn't understand your post for shit.

I understood it, but didn't necessarily agree with it. He tells me to get my facts straight, yet I took my information of of the CDC's website....verbatim!!!

What is your opinion on this subject Grizz??? You never posted your thoughts.
 
You make a compelling case. It is "a disease of choice". It's not like others that just sort of happen. However, most cancers, diabetes, etc. are mostly preventable. Diet, exercise, lifestyle, etc. are all components of cancer. So, in a sense, all diseases are "diseases of choice".

I mean, I know right now that a high fat and processed food diet may cause colon cancer. Perhaps I should think about my diet.

I know right now that eating assloads of candy will cause diabetes. Perhaps I should not eat candy.

You get my point?
 
Kayz and grizzly, the problem is that No it should'nt be deemed in itself anymore important than any other disease, but it is an epidemic which is reaching pandemic proportions. It just requires a lot of attention becaue it is communicable, and can do damage to generations to come. So it does require an excessive amount of money and time.


Just because you have a lot of people making unwise decisions, that doesn't mean you can go sour on them either. You have to teach and educate the unlearn on issues of this magnitude. Not only that you have people in Africa, the Orient and in South America that do not KNOW nor understand what are the risks and probabilities.

I personally have taken care of patients that got infected by tainted blood, others Homosexual, and many others through sex partners that they didn't even know they're partners had. It is a terrible situation for all of us!

Peace
 
Grizzly said:
You make a compelling case. It is "a disease of choice". It's not like others that just sort of happen. However, most cancers, diabetes, etc. are mostly preventable. Diet, exercise, lifestyle, etc. are all components of cancer. So, in a sense, all diseases are "diseases of choice".

I mean, I know right now that a high fat and processed food diet may cause colon cancer. Perhaps I should think about my diet.

I know right now that eating assloads of candy will cause diabetes. Perhaps I should not eat candy.

You get my point?

I understand and totally agree.....but there are many diseases in which your genome has already coded for...you are going to get, it's just a question of "when?". That's not to say that certain external factors my exacerbate the underlying condition...but at the end of the day, there really wasn't much you could do about it to begin with.

But again, HIV/AIDS is PURELY based on ones actions.
 
Once again Kayz and I am holding mysef back while talking with you. Nobody asks for HIV or Aids whether your coded or not, and coding isn't guaranteed either, still all controversy!

I have a buddy that got it from a blood transfusion bro


THINK THINK before you say stuff
 
This may be true about other diseases. However, you're going to die of something. Like I always say, "you know what will kill you? Life!"
 
vikings said:
Once again Kayz and I am holding mysef back while talking with you. Nobody asks for HIV or Aids whether your coded or not, and coding isn't guaranteed either, still all controversy!

I have a buddy that got it from a blood transfusion bro


THINK THINK before you say stuff

You lost me on that one!

I agree, nobody asks for AIDS. Just like nobody asks for the common cold, the flu, cancer, diabetes, hepatitis.....but there are certain things that you as an individual have ZERO CONTROL OVER. HIV/AIDS (excluding the rare instances in which an individual comes into contact with tainted blood) does not fall into this category. You do hold a great deal of control in this area. It is safe to say that if you practice safe sex, avoid sharing needles with anyone....you will GREATLY reduce your chances of getting cancer. Now, if you abstain from sex, never use a needle, and lead a safe lifestyle...you almost certainly guarantee that you will NEVER contract AIDS or HIV (again, there are always exceptions). The same cannot be said for other illnesses, which kill many more people than HIV/AIDS but receive far less attention.
 
I agree with you for the most part Kayz. The risk factors for aids can greatly be reduced for Aids/HIV by personel choice. As you said there are always exceptions to this. (Blood Transfusions,etc)

I feel research needs to continue though as Aids/HIV is a continualy mutating disease very similiar to the common cold. This also greatly reduces the chances of ever finding a cure. I think the best we can hope to do is contain it.

I trully feel for those that became infected as no fault of there own. Blood transfusions, wife who recieved it from a cheating husband, infant born with it, etc.

Viking-Age is just a number. Your life experiance has nothing to do with your age. It depends on what you do with the time your given.
 
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