AI on 400mg/week of Test E

jcj5000

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Hey gents. I'm on week 15 of a 400mg/week Test E cycle (pin 0.4mL EOD, 1st cycle). I waited through weeks 1-4 of High E symptoms to see if those would stabilize before needing an AI. I had bloating, high BP, itchy nips etc. It did get slightly better after about three weeks, but the continued itchy nips told me it was time to start taking Aromasin. Blood test also showed E2 in the mid 90's, which confirmed this. So, I started with 6.25 mg once a week to see if the itchiness would go away. Sensitive E2 test while on 12.5 mg Asin EOD put me at 49, and I still had high E sides and itchy, growing nips. I have since worked all the way up to 25mg EOD of aromasin, before finally hitting a point where I don't feel high estrogen sides + I feel good all around. I just took a new E2 test, so waiting to see where I am at. (All other bloods are within range, except for hematocrit of 52.8, donating blood today to lower that value. Total test 2624, Free Test 448.8, Bioavailable test 903.4, SHGB 44, prolactin 7.5, waiting on E2)

My cycle has been great so far, I have made huge strength and lean mass gains. I am happy with the 400mg/week dosage, and if anything I could've started lower.

My InBody measurement at the start of cycle had me at 14% body fat, so it seems to me that I am one of the "high aromatizers". 25mg Asin EOD for 400mg Test E seems insane, but here I am. Where would I even go from here if I wanted to try another cycle in the future? It seems like if I ever increase test dosage in a future cycle, I will have to be popping AI's every day. Has anyone else dealt with this high aromatization issue?

One other observation with the 25mg Asin EOD, is that I started shedding hair like a mofo. Would that be a side effect of the AI's? Or is that probably more due to the test cycle? I have also incorporated raloxifene for the past month to calm down my gyno tissue that has begun to grow on this cycle, could that be a cause of hair loss as well? From my own research, it sounds like it could be any of these three things. Just wanted to see if anyone had any similar experiences.

-FYI raloxifene did not work for new gyno tissue, thankfully I did not have any side effects. Ralox run was 120/90/60/30 over four weeks.

-If I were to do this cycle over again, I would've been a little more aggressive with E management from the start instead of being terrified of crashing Estrogen. I was timid about taking too much Asin, so I ultimately allowed some gyno tissue to grow in the process of tuning in my AI dosage. I do wish I didn't aromatize at the rate that I do, but I guess that's what a first cycle is for. Dialing it in and learning about how your body responds.
 
What a generic cookie cutter statement. How do you know that.
You shouldnt take AI’s on a schedule
well, that is what i ran to bring my e2 levels down, a week of .25 eod brought my levels down to normal, absolutely not saying he should run it the entire cycle on a schedule, misworded ig
 
As far as future cycles you could try incorporating a secondary anabolic like EQ or primo (lol) that help control e2.

I start getting e2 sides around 375mg test but .5 adex eod puts me on the low side of normal.
On 300 mg test by Free T was mid 400s and my E2 was 100 - Adex 0.5 mg three times per week got it down to 35. Would have loved to run Primo instead but HDL already low.
 
As far as future cycles you could try incorporating a secondary anabolic like EQ or primo (lol) that help control e2.

I start getting e2 sides around 375mg test but .5 adex eod puts me on the low side of normal.
I think that is what I will try to do, in order to not have to rely on AI's so much. I will also give Adex a shot too. Do you think I could start with 1:1 test:EQ? or would that potentially crash E2 for even a high aromatizer?
 
.25 / .5 arimidex eod should fix u

also if ure rly sensitive to estrogen, like Bandern said, u should try to incorporate other compounds that keep ur estrogen in check, personally run equipose for bulks and masteron for cuts

forget about primo that shit is a myth like bigfoot
Cool, thanks. What is your preferred test to eq ratio?
 
maybe try arimidex?
friend of mine had issue that aromasin did very little for him, 25mg ed on 500mg of test and he still had high esterogen with sides. switched to arimidex and in one week he was fine.
Thanks, I will definitely give Adex a shot next time. Unfortunately I need to PCT suddenly because of some unforeseen circumstances, but next cycle for sure.
 
Just got my most recent bloods back, and apparently by latest vial has been absolute shit. With no changes in dosage, my TT has gone from 2600 to 1700, FT from 450 to 254, and my bioavailable test is now in the high NORMAL physiological range. So that's very fucking disappointing.
 
I think that is what I will try to do, in order to not have to rely on AI's so much. I will also give Adex a shot too. Do you think I could start with 1:1 test:EQ? or would that potentially crash E2 for even a high aromatizer?
It’s all individual but 1:1 is pretty standard, you should be safe.
 
arimidex is way better, especially if you are high aromatizer
im pretty experienced and everytime I think I can just get away with some aromasin I cannot dial it in because it is just weak and unpredictable

its not just the suicidal/non suicidal difference, it has a different effect on estrogen in tissues and is metabolized differently. the half life is short, theres the suicidal inhibition, the way it works on tissues, etc it all makes it pretty complicated if you are estrogen sensitive.

also remember if your estrogen was elevated for a bit, once your blood estrogen goes down, your tissue estrogen may lag behind (ex. nipples) , so a classic mistake is to feel nip sensitivity and over do a.i because the nipple sensitivity didnt go away over night.

I just fucked around for the past 3 months thinking I can dial in some asin on this cruise, 5 blood tests later I just said fuck it and went back to adex and first result is perfect.
I need .5 adex eod on 450mg
with aromasin im either crashed or high
 
From my personal experiences

Test e 525mg a week
Bold 500mg a week

E2 - 99pmol

Test e 700mg a week
Aromasin 0.25 daily

E2 - almost 300pmol which is I think around 79pgmol

With Arimidex 0.25 daily
E2 - 35pg

For some reason arimidex works better
But hdl went from high 57 to low 30..
 
From my personal experiences

Test e 525mg a week
Bold 500mg a week

E2 - 99pmol

Test e 700mg a week
Aromasin 0.25 daily

E2 - almost 300pmol which is I think around 79pgmol

With Arimidex 0.25 daily
E2 - 35pg

For some reason arimidex works better
But hdl went from high 57 to low 30..

you mean 25mg of aromasin? so full tab?
 
From my personal experiences

Test e 525mg a week
Bold 500mg a week

E2 - 99pmol

Test e 700mg a week
Aromasin 0.25 daily

E2 - almost 300pmol which is I think around 79pgmol

With Arimidex 0.25 daily
E2 - 35pg

For some reason arimidex works better
But hdl went from high 57 to low 30..
same - adex dropped my HDL 20% - had to lower my test dosage and taper the Adex - will try Primo instead.
 
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