AlexDavis43
Member
Not all older dudes are fat so what do they get instead of a GLP1?
I don't buy that there is an endless list of benefits unrelated to fat loss.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Advice from fellow old guys, new to PED
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Not all older dudes are fat so what do they get instead of a GLP1?
I don't buy that there is an endless list of benefits unrelated to fat loss.
Most of the benefits are due to slowing the entry of food into the gi tract and controlling metabolism. In this sense it is slower to rise glucose levels, has benefits for heart health, etc.
The more radical benefits touted are almost exclusively due to weight loss, which is insulin sensitivity, reduced liver stress, reduced blood pressure, etc. People just take it and "magically" their health markers improve, so they think the drug is causing that because they refuse to contemplate that their weight was causing the negative health markers.
Ateam2023
Member
10% bf, 52 year old about to give reta a try at a low dose, for bg management and any other positive benefits that i may reap , i don't need it to suppress my appetite , We'll see how it goes,,
Reta should be good for you...even at the 8mg I'm at now, it really doesnt touch hunger/appetite suppression like tirzepatide does. It's why I'm maintaining a small dose of tirzepatide along with reta. The combo is pretty amazing if you've got weight to lose/caloric deficit to maintain.
AlexDavis43
Member
Giving in to the Reta FOMO xD
Ateam2023
Member
what is the Reta FOMO ?
AlexDavis43
Member
Everyone wants to do reta right now because everyone is saying it's great all over social media (which includes forums)
Rarely lasts, like all fads (eg, recently DHB & ment)
Ateam2023
Member
retas got alot of positives , why wouldn't i want to try the Reta fad, lol 
Deadp007
Member
So i think a huge benefit of any of the GLP-1 medication is that it would counter any insulin resistance from hgh.
Wait until the GLP4's drop, the injectable and oral ones. Retra will drop greatly in price. FOMO is nuts at the moment.
Why so little primo? Is that even enough to be an AI?
I guess so.
Ateam2023
Member
42 mg x 7 days a week, seems like it might be effective as an Ai,,
Deadp007
Member
injectables per week:
Test C 140mg
Primo 294mg
You were at 30% bf & now you are at 15%. Odds are you were a heavy aromatizer. Since the impressive amount of weight loss, you aromatize at a much lower rate.
That ratio of Test to Primo would surely crush your estrogen to zero.... dbol could offset a little, but IDK about a 1:2 ratio.
But if you have labs supporting otherwise, disregard.
Anavar can screw up your liver values, 25 might be pushing it(?)
How long into this protocol are you and when were the labs taken?
At 63, is clen a good choice? It wou ld seem any of the GLP-1's would be a better fit, especially considering age.
Sailor28
Member
I just turned 53. After a couple of years, I've settled into 120mg test u and 90mg deca weekly. I got back into this a couple of years ago after taking a long break from PEDs. I tried several different compounds and this is now my sweet spot. I'll probably double the dosage once or twice a year and throw in some EQ for good measure. All depends on how my bloodwork looks. It took me a long time to learn, that a little goes a long way. Also, make sure to watch your blood pressure. Too easy and cheap to control than have the risks associated with it.
Grey Spartan
Member
Stupid people parroting stupid shit. The first thing the doc wants to do with us "older" people is put us on pharmaceutical drugs. So why would it be "dumb" for us to use pharmaceutical drugs?
A lot to unpack here.
You lost 100lbs in 18 month and want to loose another 30 but you don't want to be skinny (after the 30lbs you will be 170lbs) Are you under 5'5"?
Your estradiol and SHBG are to high but your test is pretty good.
Your calories are to low but I guess if you are trying to look like a 170lb runner your OK.
Your recovery is slow, based on the DOMS you feel.
You have a stash of PEDs but have not put them to use yet due to being in the "research phase" but you have talked with a TRT clinic.
You are currently on an upper lower split, 2 on one off with weekends off.
I hope I got that all right, some information was a little mixed and confusing. Here is what I would do.
I would get on TRT with the clinic to learn how my body converts to estrogen and how to mitigate this issue.
I would get my Test levels to around 1100, add 3iu of HGH, and increase my calories to 2500 (1 gram of protein and carbs per pound of body weight minimum) a day split into 4 meals to help with the recovery.
Increase my workout frequency and push past the DOMS.
Since I was already doing an upper lower split I would shift to 2 on one off repeat.
I would do this for a year consistently then move onto putting on some size.
One thing I have found out about doing PEDs at an old age is I need longer cycles and bigger doses. Think 20 weeks and 5mg of gear per pound of body weight. If you taper up the doses lets say every 4-5 weeks until you reach the 5mg per pound of body weight, your blood work should not suffer and you should have almost no side effects. But everyone is different.
nerdwithmuscles
New Member
I usually don't jump all over any ped fads, but reta is crazy.
My BG was creeping up from GH into the 90s/low 100s and it is now consistently in the 70s and even 60s sometimes fasted in the am. I also usually think about food all day, literally counting down the minutes to my next meal, even on a bulk. Now food noise is gone. Even on a growth phase in a calorie surplus, my conditioning is crazy. I am all aboard the reta train lmao. Even my cholesterol is better. LDL dropped down under 90! its a miracle compound.
For the most part you got it right. Weight loss is doc supervised and had to work up to 1800 calories due to the glp1 intake (first tirzepatide, now retatrutide) 170 will still leave me a bit chunky. I'm 5'10" so ideal is reportedly 155, so my goal is still 15-20lbs overweight. Per those same calcs, if I were to get to natty limits I would max out around 180-185 lean. So I figure 170 would be a good starting goal. I have done some refeeds/carb loads so far at 2500cals and that tends to have me gain some but so far it seems to be needed because it breaks any stalls I have.
For the most part right now, I'm just trying to get into a safer BF% before trying any of the PED's and optimize my health markers, especially ones I know that will tank so there's a bit of a buffer. Just got a 6 week blood draw to check test, e2, shbg. Not a full panel, just those markers to see where I'm at. Will need to do a full panel in about a month for the 10 week check in with the clinic. Thus far with DCI, DIM, and Calcium D-Glucarate only for e2 control, no AI's needed as of yet so I am mostly just trying to see what my response is and how things are going so the full panel isnt a surprise and adjust if required.
trtchin
Member
Just adding I also have hashimotos. 44 years old. Diagnosed at 42 after the birth of my daughter. I also had difficulties gaining muscle my whole life even when dedicated to diet and lifting.
Hashimotos was, in a way, the best thing that ever happened to me because
1. I finally realized I had "no time later" to get in shape. This is my literal last change to build meaningful muscle.
2. Through all the hashimotos blood test and dialing in levothyroxine I saw a half dozen testosterone tests realizing my test is also on the lower side. I also got used to going to the lab and getting bloods, so now its easy for me to do so 1x a month out of pocket.
3. Endo put me on TRT which I have been between 80-150 mg a week. Didn't like my pharma choices here (sustanon / test u) so that got me on the UGL rabbit hole and ended up at meso for a good source.
4. Endo noticed my large amount of visceral fat even though I had lost a good amount of weight getting serious about my lifting and diet. He put me on metformin for insulin resistance which, combined with UGL tirz (low dose 2.0 mg per week) and a very strict diet, has literally melted my stomach fat. Lost almost 3.5 inches. Never imagined i could lose this belly I've had my whole life.
5. Endo blood tests also revealed- high LDL which i self managed to below 100 with citrus bergamot, psyllium husk and reducing saturated fat to below 15g per day.
6. I also had a whole abdominal ultrasound revealing my organs look good no NAFLD or similar.
I ended up going from 205 pre hashimotos with 36 inch pants (tight) to 31 inch and 155 lbs. Im 6 foot so im fucking too skinny now but I really wanted to beat this stomach fat. Have abs outline now and will just live with it until my next cut as whats left might just be genetic.
Long way to say, I feel your pain hashimotos is a bitch but with proper treatment it is manageable. The fatigue still gets me some times but the internal motivation and drive from taking over my health is more than enough to offset that most of the time.
And I figured now I am relatively healthy so ready for my first proper blast. Targeting October!
Hashimotos was, in a way, the best thing that ever happened to me because
1. I finally realized I had "no time later" to get in shape. This is my literal last change to build meaningful muscle.
2. Through all the hashimotos blood test and dialing in levothyroxine I saw a half dozen testosterone tests realizing my test is also on the lower side. I also got used to going to the lab and getting bloods, so now its easy for me to do so 1x a month out of pocket.
3. Endo put me on TRT which I have been between 80-150 mg a week. Didn't like my pharma choices here (sustanon / test u) so that got me on the UGL rabbit hole and ended up at meso for a good source.
4. Endo noticed my large amount of visceral fat even though I had lost a good amount of weight getting serious about my lifting and diet. He put me on metformin for insulin resistance which, combined with UGL tirz (low dose 2.0 mg per week) and a very strict diet, has literally melted my stomach fat. Lost almost 3.5 inches. Never imagined i could lose this belly I've had my whole life.
5. Endo blood tests also revealed- high LDL which i self managed to below 100 with citrus bergamot, psyllium husk and reducing saturated fat to below 15g per day.
6. I also had a whole abdominal ultrasound revealing my organs look good no NAFLD or similar.
I ended up going from 205 pre hashimotos with 36 inch pants (tight) to 31 inch and 155 lbs. Im 6 foot so im fucking too skinny now but I really wanted to beat this stomach fat. Have abs outline now and will just live with it until my next cut as whats left might just be genetic.
Long way to say, I feel your pain hashimotos is a bitch but with proper treatment it is manageable. The fatigue still gets me some times but the internal motivation and drive from taking over my health is more than enough to offset that most of the time.
And I figured now I am relatively healthy so ready for my first proper blast. Targeting October!
I dont have hashimotos, just hypothyroid. Thryoid isnt being attacked or anything, just stopped pumping out the hormones it's supposed to. Which thinking back on my life, this has probably been subclinical issue my entire adult life so it's been an eye opener about getting the hormones optimized and in balance.
My endo threw me on tirzepatide last year and that's how I went down that path. Visceral fat was also rather high, but using GH secretagogues it's now in the high-low range. The index is 8 right now, dropped from 15 (high) I think the normal range is 9-12 or 13 I dont have the info in front of me and not 100% what the index translates to. Either way, glad it is showing improvement
I'm also targeting that Sept/Oct timeframe to hopefully be ready to jump on. Mostly trying to optimize my HDL. LDL, Triglycerides, Total Cholesterol are all mid range normal. HDL though I'd like to see at or around 45 before starting, ideally higher. Also fixed my eGFR from 83 to 123 so that part is properly optimized. Also just got imaging done on liver to see about the NAFLD that was caught last year and actively treated with glutathione, NAC, TUDCA, and gh secretagogues. So hopefully that's properly reversed as well. ALT, AST, and ALP are all on the low range at the moment as well. So liver seems strong.
trtchin
Member
Ya its amazing how many things are affected by thyroid. We should count ourselves lucky we dont also have type 2 diabetes.
